Opportunity to Ascend

[GentleReckoning]

Ok, here is a question for everyone. I'm very interested in people's responses.

Givens:

1.You realize that veiled physical reality is a place of magnificent opportunity for spiritual growth.

2.You realize that even those of 5th dimension occasionally decide to 'kick it old school' here in physical reality just to help their 'bros' out.

3.You realize that the reason you are on this earth is to help heal the planet and bring awareness to a largely sleeping population.

In December of 2012, you will be given the option to 'ascend' to the 4d earth, or to stay with this specific illusion specifically to assist sleepers while further enjoying the intense catalyst (lessons) this illusion offers...

What do you choose, and why?

(Please leave the discussion of the specific time-frame of the harvest here)

[Gribbons]

The illusion has to end indefinitely at some point. Either people will be transported/awaken on a different planet, or ascension is a perspective thing and we don't disappear we awaken and our DNA adjusts to higher frequencies and we discover for ourselves pineal gland activation, junk DNA activation..we transition into it and help those who are asleep transition. Thus the illusion dies because we no longer believe as a society in fear, manipulation, etc.

If we are the people saying jump on the boat for ascension, we wouldn't be able to get everyone before a certain date. We would have to jump on the boat as well at some point, if so. Why would we stay on a sinking ship if that were the case, and that those we rescued were just "lucky to make it." lol

Personally my consciousness has become so much more positive over just the last month or two that I totally believe that we really are shifting in perspective perhaps gradually for others still asleep, but perhaps instantaneous to those who've made a spiritual effort here on their road to unity/love and understanding.

[Karl]

I suppose I'll go with whichever is more fun. If I somehow knew which one that would be.

[reeay]

Are there cats on 4D planets?

[Cyan]

If someone walks up to me and says "i have this magical plant i want you to jump off to" my first question is "oh, so you guys are trying it a second time, didnt you learn that the first time of suckering souls into your "see this is paradise" thing is faulty because all power is inherantly internal and if this is the world we create then we have no place jumping anywhere and your question of getting us to jump is one form of trap. For reference, watch matrix and "the function of the one was just a another form of control" and you'll get my drift.

I think our point is to remain here, and help here. This place already allows individuals to go into the other octave, why should i jump to some other area because in here life is already near perfect or perfect. The whole "jump to another density and start again" thing seems like such a load of something else to me.

Anyway, i wouldnt jump, said no once already. "they" were surprised why i wouldnt jump and i said "do you realize how much power you can get with this" And by power, I mean that we have thousands if not millions of "real" virtual worlds to play with in a world that is designed for us and that we have just completed our evolution into independent creatures and unless we fudge something up right now and very badly, we'll live to see the next century in this body. Why should i escape from the moment into the future anymore than i should escape from the moment to the past.

In closing, i think "jumping into some other reality" is not the correct answer, but if someone does, remember to bring me back a bagel.

[Patrick]

It'd like to help clean up our planet and help put in place the new society complex that will later become the social memory complex.

[Spaced]

I have a strong premonition that I will be called to explore the cosmos, but that the Earth will remain my home, which I will return to often. I love this planet and want to help return her to a state of natural beauty, but at the same time the call of the stars is very great for me.

[Ruth]

I'm staying. I love it here, and I love to be helpful.

[Shin'Ar]

Why should i escape from the moment into the future anymore than i should escape from the moment to the past.

Cyan, although in an inaccurate context, has unwittingly hit the nail on the head with this quote.

The following may seem lengthy but if you truly seek, and determine to find, what follows may be the guide which you require to grow.

What Cyan realizes, without actually realizing, reveals the involuntary experience of being caught up in the Divine Deisgn, in which time exists only as your experience of existence, and without such consciousness, would not exist at all.

The passage of that which we denote as time, is simply the functiining of the Design in infinite Procession.

We are that 'Process of Being'.

Therefore to attempt to to dissect any one portional experience of that process as somehow being 'ours', or being categorized into octaves, densities, cycles or any set of waves or ripples in cosmic infinity, is delusional.

This delusion is consciousness struggling with its awareness. A delusion which would not exist at all if not for the awareness of existence and the desire to comprehend it. Such is time, as well as design.

As Cyan has pointed out, escaping the moment is as futile as trying to escape the design.

Why?

Because we ARE the design 'proceeding'; we are the Process of Being.

We cannot escape this anymore than we can escape our awareness.

So with that in mind what about choice?

This is the manifestation of the core of Divine Design; duality.

The option in awareness of existence to go one way or another simply because there is more than one way to go. Existence is not linear and preprogrammed as many will suggest. Existence is the result of duality existing as the manifestation of infinite awareness. Awareness entrapped in a process of choices. Choices created by a power beyond our own, and in authority over us. But only with regard to design and its parameters, not with regard to how we choose to proceed within those parameters.

For example, we may choose to jump off of a cliff to attempt to defy death. The One does not interfere with that decision, however futile. But we cannot supercede the Design, and we will conform to the consequences of existing within those paramters, despite our desire to defy them.

However godly we might believe we are, we WILL succumb to gravity and the fragile aspect of the ability for consciousness to maintain this form.

Choice IS the engine behind the proceeding of the experiencing of The Design because The Design is dual in nature.

In determining choice as we proceed, Design is not vulnerable to alteration. Choice is simply awareness proceeding into that which already exists. To delude ourselves into beiieving that we can escape a given moment by choosing another instead is like trying to be in Egypt at the same instant that one is in japan.

Duality, the very nature of existence, demands that one wave cannot be in two places at the same instant.

Awareness of this Design demands that consciousness evolve into an understanding that All is One infinite instance of procession into the nature of duality.

Design, Process, choice, awareness all evolve into the Mystery of that which becomes The Chosen; or Evolution of Consciousness.

As such, to jump or not to jump, is not a matter of where we will be, or what we will become. It is simply a matter of 'being'.

The process of being is NOT in a future or past awareness; it is in this very instance of awareness, and whatever choice presents itself in that second of consciousness.

There is action, and then reaction. It cannot be reversed.

Insurance is based solely upon past experience in the hope that what has happened in one experience will be repeat itself exactly.

Such faith is the blood of the hopeful. However It is NOT the fabric of Divine Design which evolves according to procession of consciousness into duality.

So when awareness makes that leap of faith over the precipice, what evolves into manifestation is not restricted to past experience, but it is subject to the authority of Design.

When we choose to move our field of consciousness from one second of awareness into the next, it should never be with expectation. But our very awareness is comprised of the countless past experiences that we have shared with other fields of consciousness and events.

Memory! This is the Sacred Fire that dances within the form of every creation.

As we proceed into being, it is under the influence of memory; memory that is not necessarily recalled, but always stored within.

And when we attempt to step into the choice with an expectation, we suggest that memory is now realized in the Unknown. Memory exists only behind our procession, and never ahead of it.

That which exists ahead is unmanifest Mystery; regardless of memory which has already been stored.

To be One, one must be All. And all includes Infinite Mystery.

The One that attempts to establish omnipotent guarantee, will certainly walk facefirst into the wall of Divine Design.

Knowing this, as The One, we should each realize, as fragments of the One experience, or the All, that we never proceed into the absolute, but always into The Unknown.

Such knowledge is not the difference between flying and falling, it is simply comprehension of the Mystery into which we step.

A step we take not in the next step, and not in our next thought process, but a step that is not a step, and a procession that is not a procession. A step which exists now, in this very instant alone, not before or after, and subject to Infinite Mystery.

This is a place that is not a place, in a time that is not a time, on a day that is not a day.

This is The Circle; the field of consciousness; the Process of Being.

It is NOT us, and it is not I.

In every instant of awareness and consciousness, no one field stands alone and separate from others.

There is always a connection from top to bottom and everywhere in between.

As above, so below!

We are not what we assume to be. We are what we proceed to be.

We ARE a Process of Being, continuing from infinity into Infinity.

Those who have an ear, let them understand; we cannot escape any given moment, nor prepare for it, nor create it.

We can only proceed into whatever manifests as the two, the now and the future, connect as the Sacred Eye.

When we realize this, of what rationale is the consideration of the next step, octave or density?



And so says Ra within the confines of their own comprehensive abilities, speaking of The Higher Ones, not a council of nine members, but of seven, Nine being the name of the Lord of them all:


Ra :70.17

“Each time/space is an analog of a particular sort or vibration of space/time. When a negative time/space is entered by an entity the next experience will be that of the appropriate space/time.
This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the “Council of Nine”.
… time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws.”UNQUOTE




Illusions are very different from delusions!

Do you really want to know the council of Nine?
Then you must become aware of the Seven Lords, as is Ra!


Speaking in much greater intimate experience of this council, and what they have revealed to Him, so says Thoth, the Master of Time and Space, the Sun of the Morning, who has proceeded before us.

“Seated within the flower of radiance, (The Flower of Life) , sit seven Lords from the Space-Times above us,
helping and guiding through infinite Wisdom,
the pathway through time of the children of men.

Three, Four, Five, and Six, Seven, Eight,
each with his mission, each with his powers,
guiding, directing the destiny of man.

There sit they, mighty and potent,
free of all time and space.

Before the Lords of hidden Amenti
learned I the wisdom I give unto men.
Seven are they, the Lords of Amenti,
overlords they of the Children of Morning,
Suns of the cycles, Masters of Wisdom.
THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, SEVEN,
EIGHT, NINE are the titles of the Masters of men.

NINE is the father, vast he of countenance,
forming and changing from out of the formless.

Name them by name, I, the Seven:
THREE, FOUR, FIVE,
and SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT--Nine.

By their names I call them to aid me,
free me and save me from the darkness of night:
UNTANAS, QUERTAS, CHIETAL,
and GOYANA, HUERTAL, SEMVETA--ARDAL.

By their names I implore thee,
free me from darkness
and fill me with LIGHT.

Use thou the KEY of the SEVEN,
and open to thee the pathway will fall.

Now unto thee I have given my wisdom.
Now unto thee I have given my way.
Learned I of the Masters of cycles,
wisdom brought from the cycles above.

Manifest THEY in this cycle
as guides of man to the knowledge of ALL.

Seven are they, mighty in power,
speaking these words through me to men.

Time after time, stood I before them
listening to words that came not with sound.

One step thou has gained on the long pathway upward,
infinite now is the mountain of Light.
Each step thou taketh but heightens the mountain;
all of thy progress but lengthens the goal.

Approach ye ever the infinite Wisdom,
ever before thee recedes the goal.

"Oh, master of darkness,
guide of the way from Life unto Life,
before thee I bring a Sun of the morning.
Touch him not ever with the power of night.

Call not his flame to the darkness of night.
Know him, and see him, one of our brothers,
lifted from darkness into the Light.

Release thou his flame from its bondage,
free let it flame through the darkness of night."

Raised then the hand of the figure,
forth came a flame that grew clear and bright.
Rolled back swiftly the curtain of darkness,
unveiled the Hall from the darkness of night.


Then grew in the great space before me,
flame after flame, from the veil of the night.
Uncounted millions leaped they before me,
some flaming forth as flowers of fire.

Others there were that shed a dim radiance,
flowing but faintly from out of the night.

Some there were that faded swiftly;
others that grew from a small spark of light.
Each surrounded by its dim veil of darkness,
yet flaming with light that could never be quenched.

Coming and going like fireflies in springtime,
filled they with space with Light and with Life.

Then spoke a voice, mighty and solemn, saying:
"These are lights that are souls among men,
growing and fading, existing forever,
changing yet living, through death into life.
When they have bloomed into flower,
reached the zenith of growth in their life,
swiftly then send I my veil of darkness,
shrouding and changing to new forms of life.
Steadily upward throughout the ages, growing,
expanding into yet another flame,
lighting the darkness with yet greater power,
quenched yet unquenched by the veil of the night.

So grows the soul of man ever upward,
quenched yet unquenched by the darkness of night.

Man is a star bound to a body,
until in the end,
he is freed through his strife.

Only by struggle and toiling thy
utmost shall the star within thee
bloom out in new life.

He who knows the commencement of all things, (PROCESS OF BEING),
free is his star from the realm of night.
”UNQUOTE


The true form of each one of us is not as this human fleshly identity we now assume; rather it is as a Sacred Flame of Being/Evolving.

Consider these final words from the Lord Thoth, and compare them to the teachings of Ra.

“Remember, O man, that all which exists
is only another form of that which exists not.

Everything that has being is passing into yet other
being and thou thyself are not an exception.

Consider the Law, for all is Law.
Seek not that which is not of the Law,
for such exists only in the illusions of the senses.

Many the times spoke THEY to me,
teaching me wisdom not of the world;
showing me ever new paths to brightness;
teaching me wisdom brought from above.

Giving knowledge of operation,
learning of LAW, the order of ALL.

Spoke to me again, the Seven, saying:
From far beyond time are WE, come, O man,
Traveled WE from beyond SPACE-TIME,
When ye and all of thy brethren were formless,
formed forth were WE from the order of ALL.

Not as men are WE,
though once WE, too, were as men.

Out of the Great Void were WE formed forth
in order by LAW.

For know ye that which is formed
truly is formless, having form only to thine eyes.


And again, unto me spoke the Seven, saying:
Child of the LIGHT, O THOTH, art thou,
free to travel the bright path upward
until at last ALL ONES become ONE

Forth were WE formed after our order:
THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT--NINE.
Know ye that these are the numbers of cycles
that WE descend from unto man.
Each having here a duty to fulfill;
each having here a force to control.

Yet are we ONE with the SOUL of our cycle.
Yet are WE, too, seeking a goal.
Far beyond man's conception,
Infinity extends into a greater than ALL.

There, in a time that is yet not a time,
we shall ALL become ONE
with a greater than ALL.

Time and space are moving in circles.
Know ye their law, and ye too, shall be free.

Spoke again to me the NINE saying:
Seek ye to find the path to beyond.
Not impossible is it to grow
to a consciousness above.

For when TWO have become ONE
and ONE has become the ALL,
know ye the barrier has lifted,
and ye are made free of the road.
Grow thou from form to the formless.
Free may thou be of the road.”
UNQUOTE


That which we all seek, the ‘divine’ within, is not you or I as God, it is the ‘other’, which we become; that next step into Mystery.

When Two become One shall you know the Goal.
This is The Sacred Eye.
Two fields; one consciousness.

This is the evolution of consciousness. And each fragmented thought is caught up within it. Each is able to evolve into Higher Being and awareness. Each evolving to connect as One.

in that process of being, each becomes the other as that connection is made. This is the wedding of duality. And this wedding has been an ongoing ceremony of life, the Flower of Amenti, from the First to the Mystery, and our Higher Being is not in some future aspect of time returning to us with guidance; it is our mate being that which we create as a consequence of our marriage.

The Other is The Sacred Eye, where two become One.

Your goal is to leave behind the 'I', to become the 'Other'.

This is the sacrifice of love; not for the sake of individuality, but for the sake of 'connection', so that duality becomes finally conquered in the Sacred Union of the Sacred Space between the Two.

Two Circles, two Fields of Consciousness; duality uniting and becoming One.


THIS, this very instance, is a place that is NOT a place, in a time that is NOT a time.

How can you escape it, and to what will you escape into, when there is nothing but THIS?

There are many who have gone before us and know truth. They offer this knowledge to us as wisdom.

We would be remiss to dismiss such opportunity.

[reeay]

Sometimes interpretations of 'harvest' (or 'ascension') sounds similar to the whole idea of 'rapture' and religious ideology of earning merits to accomplish a defined goal - which is no different from joining weightwatchers and earning points so you can reward yourself and lose weight.

[Shin'Ar]

Sometimes interpretations of 'harvest' (or 'ascension') sounds similar to the whole idea of 'rapture' and religious ideology of earning merits to accomplish a defined goal - which is no different from joining weightwatchers and earning points so you can reward yourself and lose weight.

There is a reason for that Rie; what you observe is the path that much of the world takes as it grows in educational intellect in defiance of, or ignorance of the ancient teachings that they leave behind as they assume their new ways of thinking to be an advancement.

In reality they have unconsciously tossed the baby out with the bathwater.

The so called intelligence of scientific advancements and so called social achievements is beneficial only if it is regarded in its proper context and not allowed to dismiss everything of past benefit in it's wake.

On this path of conquering all that might challenge it this type of 'advancing' of civilization slowly corrupts education resulting in a sort of cancerous multiplication of twisting and manipulating what used to be beneficial teachings, replacing them with corrupted memories of what they actually were.

In this corruption we have seen what used to be the human understanding and connection to the natural world, largely nurtured by the pagan cultures that once dominated the planet, now being incorrectly remembered and mingled with the corrupted aspects which this path of so called achievement had labelled them.

For example, pagan practices became witchcraft, which became occultism, which became black magic. And so now we have many of those ancient symbols which once used to unite a vast global understanding of ancient wisdom, now representing such things as black magic and evil which was never their true origins.

The creation of satan from the pagan deity Cernunnos, better known as the Green Man, is another prime example of this.

With regard to ascension, the ancients knew exactly what it meant, and it had nothing to do with traveling in merkabas or leaving one's physical reality and achieving some non physical state of being. But because of this path of corrupting education based upon a new technological civilization, like all of these other examples I use and many more, the true meaning of ascension and evolution has been altered to support corrupted and accepted views.

Ascension is nothing more than the natural evolution of a field of consciousness each and everytime it interacts with other fields, and gains in understanding as a result of that interaction. The Ancients acknowledged this natural evolution of Divine Design as the Sacred Eye, which, in keeping with the subject of our discussion here, became the 'evil eye'.

Ascension is the natural evolution of understanding and awareness of consciousness, all made possible by the Sacred Fire which dances within the form of every creation. Because of that anicent understanding the two, ascension and fire, came to be connected in many teachings resulting in the kundalini and yogic practices of old.

[Oldern]

I am sorry, ascension 2012, because The Memory of Light only comes out in 2013 january. I will not dishonor the memory of Robert Jordan by not staying with his story till the very end. That is for sure.

Other than that, whatever comes will come. I will try to enjoy it, and be grateful for the Creator for the experience.
After all, individuals can ascend whenever they really wish to. The "ascencion" here is much, much bigger than that in scope. And as such, I think it will be a gradual process, with many more decades to play out.

[Charles]

I feel that simple and subtle and sudden changes, both internal and external, will happen for each of us, beginning in Jan. 2013. And that these lessons and understandings, will be just as they should be for each of us.

Wanderers came here from other dimensions to help . . . but some Wanders have perhaps been unable to help as intended . . . and not all Wanderers have managed to remove the veil, and to recall their purpose.

When the choice (?), or the inevitable journey (decided for us without the possibility of mistake), towards differing planets and dimensions is before us, I plan to trust myself and to "know" where I belong.

At the end of a Wanderers current incarnation, regardless of in which dimension that occurs, that immortal being will return to the dimension of its origin. That Wanderer has already learned and ascended beyond 3D, and maybe beyond 4D, and maybe beyond 5D . . . there will be no punishment involved, but there will be a welcoming once we return home.

[zenmaster]

there will be no punishment involved, but there will be a welcoming once we return home.

Thanks for not punishing us Charles.

[GentleReckoning]

Well, I thought this would be more fun than this. You sure are a serious bunch.

See, I'm torn either way. If there is any kind of a jump to a 4d virgin earth, it'd be fun to be a lonely (?) explorer of that new existence. Just imagine being on a massive, beautiful world. Seeing everything for the first time.

On the other hand, this world seems to have so much momentum in a negative direction, if I left it'd be like dumping the best novel you've ever read right when it really began to pick up.

Remember everyone: you don't need to preach, because for anyone that gets upset when their world doesn't change in 2012, they'll be receiving the catalyst specific to their situation.

[Cyan]

I am sorry, ascension 2012, because The Memory of Light only comes out in 2013 january. I will not dishonor the memory of Robert Jordan by not staying with his story till the very end. That is for sure.

Other than that, whatever comes will come. I will try to enjoy it, and be grateful for the Creator for the experience.
After all, individuals can ascend whenever they really wish to. The "ascencion" here is much, much bigger than that in scope. And as such, I think it will be a gradual process, with many more decades to play out.

Ascension is easy. Getting "everyone" to ascend is difficult, especially since how do you define everyone and ascension.

I define ascension as the natural understanding of "your thoughts mold your reality, and when you are ready, your thoughts will mold whole realities and those realities will have creatures in them just as real as you are now. But for now, thats waaaayyyy out there in terms of evolution, have a banana."

And "everyone" is difficult to explain as at all times "new souls" are being born.

Kind of a endless struggle to grow better at helping people when you put these 2 goals into your world view isnt it. Reward is an endless amount of universes where learning is easier, more efficient, and love is more tangible in every moment.

[Charles]

Charles Wrote:
there will be no punishment involved, but there will be a welcoming once we return home.

zenmaster said:
Thanks for not punishing us Charles.

It's not up to me, this is just what I feel.

Do any of you honestly think that the decision of where we go next is our decision to make?

Now, we decide how to think and feel and behave, but the consequences of those decisions are made for us, IMHO.

[Spaced]

Charles Wrote:
there will be no punishment involved, but there will be a welcoming once we return home.

zenmaster said:
Thanks for not punishing us Charles.

It's not up to me, this is just what I feel.

Do any of you honestly think that the decision of where we go next is our decision to make?

Now, we decide how to think and feel and behave, but the consequences of those decisions are made for us, IMHO.

By whom?

[Charles]

Spaced has asked "By whom?"

Ah now we are just dealing in words . . . I think that That One delegates.

So . . . . . . perhaps Our Teachers, Our Elders, Our Guides, Our Higher Selves . . . Or perhaps there are souls whose only job is to do this . . . The Divine Committee, The Galaxy Jurists . . . . Or really just those Divine Beings who know and love and understand all of us.

Really, do you actually think that this will be our choice to make?

[βαθμιαίος]

"83.7 ...This testing is, rather, the observing of self by self, often with aid as we have said."

[Patrick]

...
Do any of you honestly think that the decision of where we go next is our decision to make?
...

I do.

...
Really, do you actually think that this will be our choice to make?

Yes, but not by saying "this is what I want", but by doing/living/being what you chose.

[Spaced]

...
Do any of you honestly think that the decision of where we go next is our decision to make?
...

I do.

Indeed, there's only one of us here.

---

It might not be a conscious decision, but it's up to us nonetheless.

[Patrick]

It might not be a conscious decision, but it's up to us nonetheless.

Yes and while the decision remains unconscious, I guess we remain in 3d, but we polarize nonetheless and increases our 3d sub-density.

[Karl]

Well, I thought this would be more fun than this. You sure are a serious bunch.

See, I'm torn either way. If there is any kind of a jump to a 4d virgin earth, it'd be fun to be a lonely (?) explorer of that new existence. Just imagine being on a massive, beautiful world. Seeing everything for the first time.

On the other hand, this world seems to have so much momentum in a negative direction, if I left it'd be like dumping the best novel you've ever read right when it really began to pick up.

Remember everyone: you don't need to preach, because for anyone that gets upset when their world doesn't change in 2012, they'll be receiving the catalyst specific to their situation.

I think it depends on if there are dinosaurs in 4d earth. That would be awesome. I propose this GentleReckoning: We let everyone one else ascend into 4d then we keep earth, let it heal, and enjoy it for the giant playground it is. And we bring dinosaurs back for no particular reason besides it sounds cool right now.

[BlatzAdict]

I'm going to 4d. i got lots of places to check out! lots of love to give and lots of things to learn. i may be from the higher dimensions than 4d and perhaps it would be more wiser. if that is the case i may dip my toe instead. and then go back to my home vibration

and by places i want to meet all the races, see all the origins, learn what the limitations are to being of higher dimension.. see how to make contact with ppl from other galaxies, other completely different logos. i want to explore this all.

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with my limited knowledge of all that is in 3d i naturally want to learn everything there is to learn. if at the higher levels we are consciously connected with the memories of all of our past lives like the other races have access to. i may come to a different decision...

[GentleReckoning]

Karl,

We must never forget the dinosuars, for they are awesome. And who knows, they might have been 3d beings. There are people that believe that size doesn't matter, but I believe they are wrong.

[Karl]

If they were/are 3D I have a feeling they might not like me riding them around like a horse then, which would be horribly disappointing

[zenmaster]

And who knows, they might have been 3d beings.

3D started 75,000 years ago, for the first time. Dinosaurs existed 65,000,000 years ago.

[Karl]

Sweet dinosaur rides it is!

[zenmaster]

Do any of you honestly think that the decision of where we go next is our decision to make?

Define "where".