Ra's Adventures in Wonderland

[Patrick]

Can one say that they're having a lot of polarizing catalyst if they don't experience difficult situations? If life isn't filled with trouble, can one easily polarize still?

I'm pretty certain that, on this planet, it would be extremely uncommon to have it easy. Our planet is unique and possibly the most difficult 3d environment in our universe.

6.13 Questioner: Is all of the Earth’s human population then originally from Maldek?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a new line of questioning, and deserves a place of its own. The ones who were harvested to your sphere from the sphere known before its dissolution as other names, but to your peoples as Maldek, incarnated, many within your Earth’s surface rather than upon it. The population of your planet contains many various groups harvested from other second-dimension and cycled third-dimension spheres. You are not all one race or background of beginning. The experience you share is unique to this time/space continuum.

But yes, Ra seemed to say they had it fairly easy and that their 3rd density was still relatively quick nonetheless.

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[Patrick]

In summary.

...I believe that non polarity and the positive polarity are nearly the same thing. Negative polarity simply being a new way of playing the game of this octave that was never even planned for since it was not even imagined until experienced...

Tenet, I think this actually fit your drawing of the two polarities, negative inside the positive?

[Tenet Nosce]

Can one say that they're having a lot of polarizing catalyst if they don't experience difficult situations?

Polarization is a function of acceptance and/or control of catalyst. It is independent from the form of the catalyst. However, I would say if somebody is experiencing increasingly difficult situations, it is likely that there is a lot of wasted catalyst lying around. Especially if the difficult situations have a theme.

If life isn't filled with trouble, can one easily polarize still?

It would depend on how willing one is to accept and/or control a life that isn't filled with trouble.

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It seems we have reached the bottom of our exchange here. Unless we took the time to discuss our viewpoints of "identity" in more detail.

Identity -->111 Thread Redirect

If not, then what does "Polarization" means to you ?

The more relevant question is: What does it mean to Ra?

Ok then, what do you believe "polarization" means to Ra?

How about we start at the beginning?

In our vibration the polarities are harmonized... That is our nature and our purpose.

Ra's nature and purpose is to harmonize the polarities in their vibration.

When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.

Polarity is among the other understandings (or myths) which took over after Ra removed themselves from the now hypocritical position.

There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary.

We are amusing ourselves with the distortion of polarity, which will be reconciled, and is not in any case necessary.

rec·on·cile/ˈrekənˌsīl/ Verb:
1. Restore friendly relations between: "she wanted to be reconciled with her father".

2. Cause to coexist in harmony; make or show to be compatible.

Synonyms: conciliate - accommodate

[Cyan]

Something i came up with late 2011. You'll notice some interesting similarities. Especially to my later works you may or may not have seen (some here probably know of what i'm referring to with the singularity approach world inversion ball thing?)

Hope that explains some of how i see other selves as acting and why.

The 3rd bubble (most right) has no "external drawn in" because it requires the external to have a drawn barrier as well. It is assumed that everything outside of the single point of STS that it holds within is STO thus no external area is drawn, unlike in your layered STS inner STO outer model.

[Patrick]

Thank you Tenet, it seems to me that we are in agreement, but mostly for reasons of semantics we find ourselves under the illusion of differing perspectives. If only we could use telepathy, it would all become so clear.

[Parsons]

TN, I hope you aren't basing most of your argument refuting the Choice of 3D being polarity on 1.6. You can't really take that tiny bite size quote out of 1.6 without considering the context of the question and the rest of the reply. That, is impossible of course:

1.6 Questioner: (The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.)
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

Ra seems to be zooming out to the macrocosm and implying that enrolling in this octave isn't necessary if you figure out the nature of polarity without having to learn it the 'hard way'. Being in 3o3d certainly seems like doing it the hard way.

[Tenet Nosce]

it seems to me that we are in agreement, but mostly for reasons of semantics we find ourselves under the illusion of differing perspectives.

LOL- Yes that is exactly what I have been trying to say!

[Tenet Nosce]

TN, I hope you aren't basing most of your argument refuting the Choice of 3D being polarity on 1.6. You can't really take that tiny bite size quote out of 1.6 without considering the context of the question and the rest of the reply. That, is impossible of course:

Of course it is impossible. As you pointed out, those quotes don't say anything about it. My whole thrust of discussion here is about avoiding reading things into the material that aren't there. What these quotes DO talk about is polarity.

I already copy-and-pasted our discussion from The Choice thread. I also previously provided a link to the quotes about The Choice, and discussed some of it directly. But here they are, one by one, for your convenience.

But please, take the time to read these, along with my comments about them. I am taking the time to do this because I know you are a true seeker.

Questioner: Third density, then, compared to the rest of the densities, all of them, is nothing but a uniquely short period of what we consider to be time and is for the purpose of this choice.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct. The prelude to choice must encompass the laying of the foundation, the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable. The remainder of the densities is continuous refining of the choice. This also is greatly lengthened, as you would use the term. The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.

Don says: Third density... is for the purpose of this choice.
Ra says: This is precisely correct.

Ra then says: The prelude to The Choice must encompass:

1. The laying of foundation.
2. The establishment of the illusion.
3. The viability of that which can be made spiritually viable.

Therefore, the paths of polarization are the prelude to The Choice. Then we make The Choice, upon contact with intelligent infinity, at the end of third density. Then the remainder of the densities is the refinement of The Choice.

Ra then says that The Choice is:

A. The work of a moment.
B. The axis upon which Creation turns.

Questioner: That is correct. I am asking with respect to this particular sub-Logos, our sun.

Ra: I am Ra. This query has substance. We shall begin by turning to an observation of a series of concept complexes of which you are familiar as the tarot.

The philosophy was to create a foundation, first of mind, then of body, and then of spiritual complex. Those concept complexes you call the tarot lie then in three groups of seven: the mind cycle, one through seven; the physical complex cycle, eight through fourteen; the spiritual complex cycle, fifteen through twenty-one. The last concept complex may best be termed The Choice.

Upon the foundation of transformation of each complex, with free will guided by the root concepts offered in these cycles, the Logos offered this density the basic architecture of a building and constructing and synthesizing of data culminating in The Choice.

Third density experience (represented by the 21 Archetypes) is the laying of the foundation, culminating in the last concept complex in Archetype 22- The Choice.

Questioner: Then to condense your statement, I see it meaning that there are seven basic philosophical foundations for mental experience, seven for bodily, seven for spiritual, and that these produce the polarization that we experience sometime during the third-density cycle. Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct in that you perceive the content of our prior statement with accuracy. You are incorrect in that you have no mention of the, shall we say, location of all of these concept complexes; that is, they exist within the roots of the mind and it is from this resource that their guiding influence and leitmotifs may be traced. You may further note that each foundation is itself not single but a complex of concepts. Furthermore, there are relationships betwixt mind, body, and spirit of the same location in octave, for instance: one, eight, fifteen, and relationships within each octave which are helpful in the pursuit of The Choice by the mind/body/spirit complex. The Logos under which these foundations stand is one of free will. Thusly the foundations may be seen to have unique facets and relationships for each mind/body/spirit complex. [c]Only twenty-two, The Choice, is relatively fixed and single[/c].

Ra says, Don is correct in that the 21 archetypes produce polarization, and are a complex of concepts. But he is incorrect as to their location.

Ra then adds: Only twenty-two, The Choice, is relatively fixed and single. If it is single, that means it is not happening again and again.

Questioner: Then I am probably having a problem with the concept of time since it appears that the Logos was aware of the polarization choice. It seems that this choice for polarization at the end of third density is an important philosophical plan for the experience past third density. Am I correct in assuming that this process is a process to create the proper or desired experience that will take place in the creation after third density is complete?

Ra: I am Ra. These philosophical foundations are those of third density. Above this density there remains the recognition of the architecture of the Logos but without the veils which are so integral a part of the process of making the choice in third density.

The Choice occurs at the end of third density.

Questioner: The specific question that I had was that it seems to me that the choice was planned to create intense polarization past third density so that experience would be intense past third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that our interpretation of your sound vibration complexes is appropriate, this is incorrect. The intensity of fourth density is that of the refining of the rough-hewn sculpture. This is, indeed, in its own way, quite intense causing the mind/body/spirit complex to move ever inward and onward in its quest for fuller expression. However, in third density the statue is forged in the fire. This is a type of intensity which is not the property of fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh densities.

Ra says: This is incorrect. Yet so many take Don's incorrect view and claim it as truth. Pretty bizarre, if you ask me.

Questioner: What I am really attempting to understand, since all of these twenty-one philosophical bases result in the twenty-second which is The Choice, is why this choice is so important, why the Logos seems to put so much emphasis on this choice, and what function this choice of polarity has, precisely, in the evolution or the experience of that which is created by the Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density. The higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in this choice.

Again: The 21 archetypes result in the 22nd, which is The Choice. Polarization is necessary for harvestability, but the higher densities do their work due to the polarity gained in The Choice which occurs at the end of third density.

Again: Don's notion of "intense polarization past third density" is incorrect, according to Ra.

Questioner: You stated previously that The Choice is made in this third-density and is the axis upon which the creation turns. Could you expand on your reason for making that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a statement of the nature of creation as we speak to you.

There is no new information from this quote.

Questioner: This is a hard question to ask, but what is the value experientially of the formation of positive and negative social memory complexes, of the separation of the polarities at that point rather than the allowing for the mixing of mind/body/spirit complexes of opposite polarity in the higher densities?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of polarity is to develop the potential to do work. This is the great characteristic of those, shall we say, experiments which have evolved since the concept of The Choice was appreciated. Work is done far more efficiently and with greater purity, intensity, and variety by the voluntary searching of mind/body/spirit complexes for the lessons of third and fourth densities. The action of fifth density is, viewed in space/time, the same with or without polarity. However, viewed in time/space, the experiences of wisdom are greatly enlarged and deepened due, again, to the voluntary nature of polarized mind/body/spirit action.

Polarity existed before The Choice was appreciated. Therefore, how could The Choice equate to a decision between polarities? Makes no sense.

Questioner: I’m sorry for getting confused on my question here in not asking it correctly. There is a philosophical point of central importance that I am trying to clear up here. It has to do with the fact that fourth-density negative seems to be aware of the first distortion. They are in a nonveiled condition, and they seem to use this knowledge of the first distortion to maintain the situation that they maintain in contacts with this planet. I am trying to extract their ability to understand the mechanism of the first distortion and the consequences of the veiling process and still remain in a mental configuration of separation on the negative path. I hope that I have made myself clear there. I have had a hard time asking this question.

Ra: I am Ra. The answer may still not satisfy the questioner. We ask that you pursue it until you are satisfied. The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density. Its operations among those of third density which have not yet made this choice are designed to offer to each the opportunity to consider the self-serving polarity and its possible attractiveness.

Ra says: The Choice becomes available to each at third-density harvest.

Questioner: I will also assume, and I may not be correct, that the present list that I have of twenty-two names of the tarot cards of the Major Arcana are not in exact agreement with Ra’s original generation of the tarot. Could you describe the original tarot, first telling me if there were twenty-two archetypes? That must have been the same. Were they the same as the list that I read to you in a previous session or were there differences?

Ra: I am Ra. As we have stated previously, each archetype is a concept complex and may be viewed not only by individuals but by those of the same racial and planetary influences in unique ways. Therefore, it is not informative to reconstruct the rather minor differences in descriptive terms between the tarot used by us and that used by those of Egypt and the spiritual descendants of those first students of this system of study.

The one great breakthrough which was made after our work in third density was done was the proper emphasis given to the Arcanum Number Twenty-Two which we have called The Choice. In our own experience we were aware that such an unifying archetype existed but did not give that archetype the proper complex of concepts in order to most efficaciously use that archetype in order to promote our evolution.

So... Ra polarized without being aware of the unifying archetype, number 22, The Choice. Again, if The Choice is making a decision between polarities, how is this possible? Answer: It's not possible.

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According to my limited perception, some others appear to be very attached to the notion of Archetype 22 - The Choice being identified with the decision about which path to polarize upon. I am very confused by this seeming attachment by my other-selves. Clearly, I have yet much to learn.

Do we feel somehow threatened by this? Are egos getting in the way because we have been passing misinformation around, and so would have to admit to ourselves that we were incorrect? I must say I am utterly confused by all the resistance I have encountered here.

There are two different concepts here. One is the decision of which path to polarize upon. The other is The Choice- which occurs at the end of third density.

Not only does Ra specifically say three times that it occurs at the end of third-density, but nowhere in the material does Ra associate The Choice with the decision between paths of polarization.

In addition to this, we are given an image of Archetype 22 - The Choice, in which there is no symbolism (that I can discern) about choosing between polarities. If anything, there is a suggestion of a harmonization of them as symbolized by the sun and moon forming the vesica pisces.

Finally, Ra put Archetype 22 - The Choice at the end of the deck. This is because it occurs at the end of third density, as they said three times, in plain-as-day English.

My forum friends, I really do appreciate your thoughts and opinions. And I am grateful for this opportunity for discussion. But I am truly bewildered and confused by the stubborn persistence in reading things into the material that just aren't there, and then feeling the need to defend these misconceptions and throw more shadows about the room whenever they are discussed.

Nobody is threatening you, least of all me. The only reason I came across this understanding is because I, too, recognized that I was confused. And when I went back to the material looking for the quotes to support my confused view, I was quite surprised to see that they weren't actually there and that my mind had projected certain ideas into the material. Other ideas came from L/L, and have sort of become canonized by students of the material, even though L/L themselves have rather stepped away from certain interpretations. This is really bizarre, and frankly reminds me of what goes on in many churches.

But what surprises me even more is that, where I have attempted to share this discovery with other students of the material, I have been met with such unbelievable resistance.

Despite all the mountains of evidence I have provided to support my view, there are those who persist in saying it is incorrect. This despite the fact that nobody has been thus far able to produce any evidence for the alternative view.

Again I would ask, please show me where in the image given of Archetype 22- The Choice do students see the decision between the positive and negative paths of polarization?

"Resonating" with something is great. But still one should be able to point to that something they feel resonant to. Reading a view into the material, or into a picture, that literally is not present is projection, i.e. distortion. Not resonance.

If we really are so sure in our view, then why not go back and look for the evidence to support it? Otherwise, we go on believing in certain illusions, simply because others agree. I know this because I used to agree with the others, and then when I went and looked for the evidence, I found out for myself that I was wrong.

In the end, it matters not. As Ra said, they were successfully harvested from third density with having no real understanding of The Choice, whatsoever. When The Choice comes upon us, we will know. And then we will make The Choice.

There's just really nothing else to be said here, for my part. As I previously suggested, once on the other side of the veil we can all meet up and compare notes if we like. For now, I bid you all good day, and a bountiful harvest.

[Oceania]

Can one say that they're having a lot of polarizing catalyst if they don't experience difficult situations? If life isn't filled with trouble, can one easily polarize still?

I'm pretty certain that, on this planet, it would be extremely uncommon to have it easy. Our planet is unique and possibly the most difficult 3d environment in our universe.

6.13 Questioner: Is all of the Earth’s human population then originally from Maldek?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a new line of questioning, and deserves a place of its own. The ones who were harvested to your sphere from the sphere known before its dissolution as other names, but to your peoples as Maldek, incarnated, many within your Earth’s surface rather than upon it. The population of your planet contains many various groups harvested from other second-dimension and cycled third-dimension spheres. You are not all one race or background of beginning. The experience you share is unique to this time/space continuum.

But yes, Ra seemed to say they had it fairly easy and that their 3rd density was still relatively quick nonetheless.

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then if Ra made it so easily into 4D with a harmonious fucking easy life then why the f*** are we in such a mess there's no reason for it.

[native]

Tenet, thanks for the effort. I haven't been participating because I haven't had time. I'll read the whole thread eventually.

[zenmaster]

Of course there are many reasons. For example, distractions and unnecessary complexity.

[Patrick]

Interesting thread here: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?pid=46181

What do you think about this proposition: "Harvestability only requires the green-ray chakra to be opened" ?

49.6 Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.

Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.

Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh.

[zenmaster]

Interesting thread here: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?pid=46181

What do you think about this proposition: "Harvestability only requires the green-ray chakra to be opened" ?

The idea is there would be a sufficient overall balancing (Jungian term: individuation) in the individual such that the average vibratory rate is green or higher. Without the restrictions of the yellow-ray space/time body, balancing is indicated by violet ray.

[zenmaster]

85.11: ...that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density...

Anyone have an opinion on the meaning of this statement?

[anagogy]

85.11: ...that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density...

Anyone have an opinion on the meaning of this statement?

I have often puzzled over this statement by Ra. It would make perfect sense except for the "of third density" part. Then again, this same section contained errors in transmission that were caught and eventually corrected, so its possible the "of third density" part was also an error in transmission. On the other-hand, if we were to break the spectrum of third density vibratory levels down to their requisite quanta, or discrete thresholds, perhaps Ra was indicating that service to self potentiation is incompatible with the higher spectrums of the sub-vibrational levels of 3D. This is just speculation, of course (I tend to lean towards it simply being an error and was intended to just refer to the octave of densities in general).

[zenmaster]

My opinion is that STS orientation can not polarize in the higher sub densities of 3D. This makes sense if we consider that the 6th sub density has been identified as the "green" valuing meme of Spiral Dynamics.
To me this also implies that STO also can not polarize for harvest at completion of cycle without also completing the lessons of the 7th sub density. I say that only because one can not explore that essential vibratory aspect of self without being within the conditions of the upper part of the 3D octave. The 6th sub density is only the beginning to learn about open heart, is still fear and survival based, and can not appreciate the conditions of the entire octave.

[Patrick]

85.11: ...that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density...

Anyone have an opinion on the meaning of this statement?

Yes I wondered about "of third density" too. My guess is that Ra meant "throughout the octave" without adding "of third density".

EDIT: I like your explanation too.

[Ankh]

then if Ra made it so easily into 4D with a harmonious fucking easy life then why the f*** are we in such a mess there's no reason for it.

Our work was that of your peoples, of experiencing the catalyst of joys and sorrows. Our circumstances were somewhat more harmonious. Let it be said that any entity or group may create the most splendid harmony in any outer atmosphere. Ra’s experiences are no more than your own. Yours is the dance at this space/time in third-density harvest.

[Tenet Nosce]

85.11: ...that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density...

Anyone have an opinion on the meaning of this statement?

I would first point out that there was another "oopsie" in the session that was corrected later. Thus, big red flag for confusion to ensue from this quote. For example, I noticed that the last two paragraphs of this quote are completely missing from the "differences" page.

85.11 Questioner: Then the service-to-others* path has potentiated that which is not. Could you expand that a little bit so that I could understand it a little better?

Ra: I am Ra. If you see the energy centers in their various colors completing the spectrum you may see that the service-to-others* choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly.

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave of third density and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is.

* This should be service-to-self. Don and Ra corrected the error later in the session.

It is unclear here whether they are talking about third density as a sub-octave, or whether talking about the third density as a part of the octave.

Based on the context of the rest of this quote, and other parts of the material, they seem to be saying that denial of green-ray cannot endure much past fifth density. In which case, this is just a mangled sentence resulting from the distortion of Carla's pain flares during this session.

The alternative interpretation would suggest that it cannot endure past a sub-density of third density. Perhaps also the sixth? It's not really clear.

What we do know is that there are definitely those here now in our earth experience that appear rather devoid of compassion. So the pertinent question would be: which sub-density of third density is dominant at the moment?

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My opinion is that STS orientation can not polarize in the higher sub densities of 3D.

To me this also implies that STO also can not polarize for harvest at completion of cycle without also completing the lessons of the 7th sub density.

But this would imply that those on the negative path graduate earlier from third density, leaving only those on the positive path to complete through the 7th sub-density.

That is interesting. But I want to make sure that is what you are saying here.

Also- according to your estimation, what would be the requirements for appreciation of the 7th sub-density of 3rd density?

[Aaron]

Tenet, since you pointed it out, I notice also that those last two paragraphs are missing from the differences page for some reason. On this page, it seems as if those paragraphs never existed in either version of the text.

However, on the main session page, whether one is viewing the relistened or the original version, those paragraphs are present.

They're just missing from the differences/comparison page for whatever reason. :-/

[Patrick]

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My opinion is that STS orientation can not polarize in the higher sub densities of 3D.

To me this also implies that STO also can not polarize for harvest at completion of cycle without also completing the lessons of the 7th sub density.

But this would imply that those on the negative path graduate earlier from third density, leaving only those on the positive path to complete through the 7th sub-density.

That is interesting. But I want to make sure that is what you are saying here.

Also- according to your estimation, what would be the requirements for appreciation of the 7th sub-density of 3rd density?

Yes, that's really interesting.

[βαθμιαίος]

The difference engine only shows differences and the context immediately before and after the differences.

[zenmaster]

The alternative interpretation would suggest that it cannot endure past a sub-density of third density. Perhaps also the sixth?

This is what my understanding is. The 6th is a "we" oriented communitarian sensitive orientation.

What we do know is that there are definitely those here now in our earth experience that appear rather devoid of compassion. So the pertinent question would be: which sub-density of third density is dominant at the moment?

The fourth subdensity.
Roughly: 1st: .1%, 2nd: 10%, 3rd: 20%, 4th: 40%, 5th: 30%, 6th: 10%, 7th: 1%

My opinion is that STS orientation can not polarize in the higher sub densities of 3D.

To me this also implies that STO also can not polarize for harvest at completion of cycle without also completing the lessons of the 7th sub density.

But this would imply that those on the negative path graduate earlier from third density, leaving only those on the positive path to complete through the 7th sub-density.

The subdensities exist in vibratory form, but are devoid of sub-logos "mind" content unless and until they are enabled by pioneers. You don't need to experience the entire octave of 3D in order to graduate, if you can polarize sufficiently using the lower levels. Each subdensity provides different ways of thought support, each level transcending yet including the prior.

What I'm saying is that for a 3D native, it would probably be unlikely to graduate positive without experiencing the whole 3D octave.

That is interesting. But I want to make sure that is what you are saying here.

Also- according to your estimation, what would be the requirements for appreciation of the 7th sub-density of 3rd density?

Certainly sufficient withdrawal of personal projections in order to be able to begin to make one's own decisions regarding catalyst. This would include the integration of personal identifications and attachments which create the emotional rollercoaster and inevitably lead to "dark nights".

[Tenet Nosce]

zenmaster- Fascinating! I need to let these stew for a while. But for the sake of clarification:

The fourth subdensity.

What are the criteria you use to make this determination?

Roughly: 1st: .1%, 2nd: 10%, 3rd: 20%, 4th: 40%, 5th: 30%, 6th: 10%, 7th: 1%

Ditto.

[zenmaster]

zenmaster- Fascinating! I need to let these stew for a while. But for the sake of clarification:

The fourth subdensity.

What are the criteria you use to make this determination?

Roughly: 1st: .1%, 2nd: 10%, 3rd: 20%, 4th: 40%, 5th: 30%, 6th: 10%, 7th: 1%

Ditto.

The study of Spiral Dynamics, which has attempted to show how commonly expressed values may be identified as groupings (memes) which tend to follow a developmental progression. Each meme has a completely arbitrary color code: The 4th subdensity is "blue"

Blue: Authoritarian Loyal to Truth, which is defined by social grouping. Purposeful and patriotic, leads people to obey authority, feel guilty when not conforming to group norms, try to serve the greater good through self-sacrifice. Works very well in industrial economies. Discipline is strict but usually fair and often public (flogging in Singapore, e.g.). U.S. has shifted away from BLUE industries, which have moved to Mexico, Taiwan, Malaysia, and elsewhere that this BLUE is now strong. BLUE industries will eventually move to Africa, in Beck's opinion. Moralistic-prescriptive management techniques. Organizational structure is pyramidal. (Boy and Girl Scouts, Billy Graham, Puritan American, Confucian China, Islamic fundamentalism, 40% of world population, 30% of power)

The 4th subdensity exists in the U.S. as the "bible belt", but most of the U.S. is now 5th subdensity. 20% of the U.S. is working in the 6th subdensity.

[Patrick]

...20% of the U.S. is working in the 6th subdensity.

How do you get these numbers !? :-/

[zenmaster]

...20% of the U.S. is working in the 6th subdensity.

How do you get these numbers !? :-/

Just from work people are doing with Spiral Dynamics, such as: http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/blog/joh...ent?page=1

[Tenet Nosce]

The study of Spiral Dynamics, which has attempted to show how commonly expressed values may be identified as groupings (memes) which tend to follow a developmental progression. Each meme has a completely arbitrary color code: The 4th subdensity is "blue"

Oh yes, I am familiar with the concept. I just didn't know any work had been done to quantify in this respect. Interesting.

The 4th subdensity exists in the U.S. as the "bible belt", but most of the U.S. is now 5th subdensity. 20% of the U.S. is working in the 6th subdensity.

What is the current thinking in how (and when) the "Radical Phase Shift" will manifest?

[zenmaster]

What is the current thinking in how (and when) the "Radical Phase Shift" will manifest?

I don't know. I tend to think that the transparency aspect of the the newly "instreaming energies", actually works on the regular 3D body. This means lack of structure for which the survival-ego may grasp and therefore crises which will inevitably be projected according to personal and collective hopes and fears. So rather radical shift in catalyst. But it also means more awareness of catalyst at the same time (as it is more substantial), so enhanced confrontation. Processing catalyst results in polarization and many are already poised to enter the last subdensity ("2nd tier"-thinking according to SD). So if Ra's "quantum leap" is such a new modality of thought, then those intending to move forward should be able to make great strides in a relatively short period of time. And the entire planet should be able to benefit from what has been newly accepted from self.

[reeay]

Don Beck mentioned that the Spiral Dynamics model mirrored the theoretical development in psychology throughout history...More modern ones including psychoanalysis, psychodynamic, behavioralism/cognitive-behaviorialism, gestalt/humanism, and family systemic. Not to say this would validate Spiral Dynamics but the development of these theories are in synch with the developmental process of humanity.

http://www.ungdomsstyrelsen.se/ad2/user_...gelska.pdf


When I look at Yellow and parts of Turquoise, it reminds me of family systems theory and ecological systems theories.