I get it I get what my guides were telling me about (its in the law foo)

[zenmaster]

The "differing" is in what we haven "chosen". It is possible for us to gain all of our mineral needs from just the air, yet we do not do this.

Why limit it to air? Why not simply subsisting on energy from root chakra?

[reeay]

I met a healer who consumed some sort of universal energy as food and ate little solid foods. He was pretty plump guy and my mother said to him, "universal energy must be rich in nutrition" lol

Have you heard of anyone who does this?

[zenmaster]

Have you heard of anyone who does this?

A shaman showed me how to do it and related how someone had done it. But I can't imagine anyone being able maintain the degree of vibration required.

[BrownEye]

The "differing" is in what we haven "chosen". It is possible for us to gain all of our mineral needs from just the air, yet we do not do this.

Why limit it to air? Why not simply subsisting on energy from root chakra?

Shoes and soil quality?

[reeay]

Have you heard of anyone who does this?

A shaman showed me how to do it and related how someone had done it. But I can't imagine anyone being able maintain the degree of vibration required.

What do you mean?

[Karl]

So like absorbing ambient energy?

[reeay]

I think it depends on your attitude you have, vis a vis the food or drugs or whatever it is.
So let's suppose you are hungry and there is a hamburger with fries on the plate before you, and you are locked in a cell and unable to get anything else to eat.
scenario 1: you think "omg that is awesome! this hamburger arrived right on time. And look how juicy it is, nom nom " etc. and you eat it with gratitude
scenario 2: you think "omg fast food! that is so toxic and poisonous. And all the calories! and it comes with white bread which is supposed to be unhealthy... but well I am hungry so I am gonna eat it anyways, what can I do"

I wouldn't be surprised it if in scenario 2 the effects of the hamburger on the body were not exactly beneficial. Self fulfilling prophecy

Could the decision we choose to take somehow be connected to our state of being in the moment.? So perhaps when I experience imbalance I would choose either scenario and perhaps when I feel balance I choose neither. Now that you mentioned hamburgers I want to have a veggie burger lol

[Cyan]

I'm a virgo "official" style whats it called horoscope.

Virgos are not health freaks are they? lol

Actually, many are!

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So here is the question: Can we make any real change in our consciousness through drugs/chemicals? Can we move up the ladder of consciousness and awareness through drugs, anti-depressents, TCH, hallucinogens, or even healthy eating? What about DNA treatments, which are surely about to be part of our technology. Can we move up the ladder of consciousness through modifications to our DNA? If not, why not (and vice versa.)

Nobody has addressed this question I posed before. I would really appreciate your opinions on this. For example, can taking a certain hallucinogen, or prescription, or radiation therapy treatment help me move into 4D (or 5D, or whatever the next level is for me)?

Yes. But it is prone to creating mistakes, errors, distortions and so on. Imagine it as a garden hose that is suddenly turned on full blast and the first 3 minutes of the gardening is you running behind tha those and getting it to hit you in the face and legs and hands by accident as it "flais?" around the yard. Once you catch it you have to make sure you dont point it at the "tip of the flower" or you'll cause destruction, but rather, point it upwards and let gravity "pull the droplets down and land where they please" after you are done, your yard will be quite wet and look like after a tropical storm. But at least its properly wet and some like random more than full order...

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So like absorbing ambient energy?

My understanding is that we eat because we like the sensation of eating. Cant imagine not liking the sensation of eating anytime soon. Its a nice feeling to munch on something and feel it expanding in your mouth and your energy field from a single point or area outwards. It gives a nice degree of variety and richness to experience.

You could do it by sitting still and willing the same intent quite easily but then again, you could sit and will yourself to paradise, oh wait, you're there already

[βαθμιαίος]

So here is the question: Can we make any real change in our consciousness through drugs/chemicals? Can we move up the ladder of consciousness and awareness through drugs, anti-depressents, TCH, hallucinogens, or even healthy eating? What about DNA treatments, which are surely about to be part of our technology. Can we move up the ladder of consciousness through modifications to our DNA? If not, why not (and vice versa.)

Nobody has addressed this question I posed before. I would really appreciate your opinions on this. For example, can taking a certain hallucinogen, or prescription, or radiation therapy treatment help me move into 4D (or 5D, or whatever the next level is for me)?

Are you familiar with this Ra quote?

6.1 ...There are many upon your plane who have a random hole or gateway in their spirit energy field, sometimes created by the ingestion of chemicals such as, what this instrument would call LSD, who are able, randomly and without control, to tap into energy sources. They may or may not be entities who wish to serve. The purpose of carefully and consciously opening this channel is to serve in a more dependable way, in a more commonplace or usual way, as seen by the distortion complex of the healer. To others there may appear to be miracles. To the one who has carefully opened the door to intelligent infinity this is ordinary; this is commonplace; this is as it should be. The life experience becomes somewhat transformed and the great work goes on.

[caycegal]

Are you familiar with this Ra quote?

6.1 ...There are many upon your plane who have a random hole or gateway in their spirit energy field, sometimes created by the ingestion of chemicals such as, what this instrument would call LSD, who are able, randomly and without controlhttp://miqel.com/entheogens/neem-karoli-baba-lsd-alpert.htmlto tap into energy sources. They may or may not be entities who wish to serve. The purpose of carefully and consciously opening this channel is to serve in a more dependable way, in a more commonplace or usual way, as seen by the distortion complex of the healer. To others there may appear to be miracles. To the one who has carefully opened the door to intelligent infinity this is ordinary; this is commonplace; this is as it should be. The life experience becomes somewhat transformed and the great work goes on.

Many of you may have already heard or read this story told by Ram Dass about how he gave LSD to his guru:

http://miqel.com/entheogens/neem-karoli-...lpert.html

This to me seems to confirm what Ra said.

[BrownEye]

I think it depends on your attitude you have, vis a vis the food or drugs or whatever it is.
So let's suppose you are hungry and there is a hamburger with fries on the plate before you, and you are locked in a cell and unable to get anything else to eat.
scenario 1: you think "omg that is awesome! this hamburger arrived right on time. And look how juicy it is, nom nom " etc. and you eat it with gratitude
scenario 2: you think "omg fast food! that is so toxic and poisonous. And all the calories! and it comes with white bread which is supposed to be unhealthy... but well I am hungry so I am gonna eat it anyways, what can I do"

I wouldn't be surprised it if in scenario 2 the effects of the hamburger on the body were not exactly beneficial. Self fulfilling prophecy

Could the decision we choose to take somehow be connected to our state of being in the moment.? So perhaps when I experience imbalance I would choose either scenario and perhaps when I feel balance I choose neither. Now that you mentioned hamburgers I want to have a veggie burger lol

About belief systems: I know individuals who continue to toxify their body - you know, Coca Cola and coffee and white flour and sugar - and actually believe that the more they consume the more immune they will be. Can one neutralize that belief system about being toxic and continue to toxify themselves without its affecting them?

Absolutely, yes. Again, it's all belief system. If you took a human body without a soul and nourished it, you would find that it responds to substances such as algae, things lower on the food chain, wheat grass, vegetables, fruits, etc. But as soon as you throw the soul in, you've got a belief system and you've got the choices that soul has made. For instance, Bob there may never have been sick a day in his life; he eats butter on everything and always feels wonderful, but his diet is atrocious. One day Bob dies of a heart attack at a young age, even though he has never been sick. Bob didn't really have a belief system about food; he ate the way he needed to eat so that he could fulfill what he wanted to do, which is die at an early age.

In that sense, everyone is doing what they need to do at any given moment. As you relinquish the judgment about this, you will all relinquish your judgment about yourself and your belief systems. Then you will come more into alignment with some of the more natural forms of food. If you're not there now, that's quite all right, because it's not going to affect you. Do you see what we mean by that? It's all your belief system.

So uh yeah, it doesn't matter what you eat...........to a predetermined point. If at any time you awaken to self you find that you can move outside of preprogrammed catalyst and begin creating your own catalyst. Which also means that what you eat will matter. Specifically it is a catalytic choice in life which is why channeling does not directly address it. Most folks will suffer ill health in their later years. When we still have good health we ignore the possible consequences, just like I always had. I have not extended my incarnation any, (I have an appointment) but I am consciously choosing how I enjoy my body in the meantime, rather than have aches, pains, and sicknesses dull the experience for me.

[Infinite Unity]

I had a long discussion today with 2 of my guides (one playing the god / giving archtype and one the destroying end archtype trying to teach me something about the triangle / singularity that i am stuck in that i did not get. There was something they were telling about the way out that i really did not get. It was about "the law" but there was a problem that i didnt understand when my friend was making a point about how its odd that i follow the law of the system i am in if i have all power despite the fact tha ti dont follow the law because of my hallucinogenic use, my view is that any laws that apply to what i do to myself that isnt inherantly harmful to others is abject slavery and i refuse it.

I had the viewpoint that this is what they were telling me when they said there is a triangle that i mirror mysel finto that has 3 edges each referring toe ach other as the reason why it wont work, classical pyramid shape. My answer was that i am looking for somethin gwithin it. Which i feel is kind of my courage or what not. A kind of disneyesque story.

Now i was watching johnny bravo  and thinking about the reactions between chemicals and the chemical body and its giving rise to all other things and what not. And i was watching an ep that i reflected to be "about me" and something Mr. T said made me feel like i got it. "dont underestimate the power of a healthy snack, its in the law foo"

and i started thinking about the reactive math basis of "the law" as a kind of fractaline repeatable shape.

And it occured to me that while i may not be able to change my heart or my soul, i can follow a different application of "the law" which they said everyone should always try to follow (which i somewhat disagree with, but i didnt realise which part they were referring to)

And i think, the point is.

Its nutrition.

I think that what "ra" is trying to say, kind of, is that the easiest way to work "here" is to change nutrition (chemical balance)

Because that change is within "the law" that we all follow which we shouldnt rebel against (isnt it strange that an angel would say that, what angel respects laws like say, laws to go to war?)

Law of cause and effect, law of food consumed and energy state generated by emotions caused...

Easiest way to change anything woul dbe to change the energy input?

Does this make sense because it felt like it did.

On Point.