3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[hogey11]

Okay, but what can you tell me about that feedback without knowing my story?

Am I someone who has a long history of fighting and creating conflict?

Or am I someone who has a long history of staying quiet and not standing up for what is right?

Which catalyst am I engaging with?

This is the heart of the matter. When someone tells me or anyone else who or what I am, they claim to 'know'. I think you should be sure of that before you start judging others.

[reeay]

I'm not judging you. I have no clue who you are and neither do I claim to know. I just know/feel your emotional charge zapping.

[marielle]

what's low ego strength? how do you fix it?

RA: Look in the mirror. See the Creator

I just bought a couple of books that address this very issue. This one:

http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Be-Me-Journe...006M7JCC2/

and this one, which I've only glanced through but it looks interesting:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086BX8UE/

The first one is simply amazing about a woman who, after a near-death-experience where her organs had shut down and she was in a coma about to die, was able to cure herself of cancer just by realizing that she needed to love herself along with everyone else.

[hogey11]

I'm not judging you. I have no clue who you are and neither do I claim to know. I just know/feel your emotional charge zapping.

I didn't mean that in relation to you

I meant that in relation to zenmaster's opinion and judgement of David. I don't think zen puts much effort into keeping up with David, and thus I question his criticisms as they rarely match with the 'here and now' David.

[reeay]

Well, if I did project myself onto you, I'm sorry and please forgive me, Hogey. I meant it with good intentions and not to "get on your case." Your emotions jumped across this page and through the computer screen!

I'm actually looking forward to seeing DW's new work and to see where he takes it.

[Spaced]

I respect David Wilcox, even if he sometimes gets in my nerves a bit. Heck I shelled out the 40 or so bux for The Source Code Investigations while I was still so poor I had to get my food from a food bank most weeks.

[hogey11]

@spaced

What did you think about the book?

I get you on the nerves thing. I can understand how David can rub people the wrong way, but i have also noticed he seems to be someone who goes through phases. Some phases have been more palatable than others, and like anybody he has had some ego issues from time to time, but I value the lessons learnt more than the trespasses at the end of the day.

He really can't win tho with his career direction. If he goes introspective and reports on his dreams and channeling, people call him a hack and a fake. If he reports on exopolitics and global unrest, he is a conspiratorial patsy that has lost all grasp on reality. If he focuses on writing a book or holding conferences, he is a greedy faker that is 'selling out' in some way... If people want to cut someone down, they will find a way.

[Spaced]

I quite liked the book, it introduced me to a lot of concepts I likely would not have found otherwise and provided me with a great framework for understanding a lot of the stuff I'd been wondering about. I would have to say it really kindled my spiritual seeking which led me eventually to here when I found the updates on his site no longer resonated with me.

I know what you mean about him being in a tough spot. I sure wouldn't want to be in his place, he seems to be under a lot of pressure. It's the life he made for himself, and he's put himself into a position where he can reach a lot of people . . . but it all just seems like too much work to me

[Oceania]

40 bucks? that book was way cheaper than that wasn't it? i think it was about §7 to 20

[Spaced]

I think it may have been closer to 30 . . . I just know it sure seemed like a lot given my economic standing at that point . I got it hardcover when it had just recently come out and book prices are higher in Canada for some reason I can't comprehend.

[hogey11]

It's because we're too nice, Spaced They know they can jerk us around

[GentleReckoning]

Coming back from Alaska, I certainly enjoyed the 'vibe' I got from all the canadian cities/towns I passed through.

[hogey11]

Yea, most towns are pretty low key and happy.

My wife just came back from work in the interior tho where she was visiting a Native reserve. She visited this old, regal golf course that had been renovated from a Residential school building in the past. Not so good vibes to be found in there.... Even us Canadians have our dark past.

[reeay]

I go with resonance and openness when looking at the numerous works out there, e.g., developing hypotheses that are relatively tentative so that it may be refined continuously so as not to lock into something so strongly.

I look at L/L Research and how it generously provides information (for free) and it vibrates a collaborative and love/light based energy is very special. I just believe true powerfulness is subtle, soft, and malleable. That's what L/L Research represents for me.

When there is lots of personality in a work, it takes away from the learning because the person/teacher comes out very strongly. Yet, it is also a great learning experience to see people change (great mirror) and brings validation to our shared experience, etc.,. Personality becomes rather distracting because we could potentially identify with it and get stuck at that aspect.

So... not to compare any person/organization, but there is something remarkable when someone's work comes from a community of beings with shared goals. My vision for the future is sort of along this line... that as we mature spiritually, the focus is collaborative, communal, and subtle with intent focused on giving unconditionally.

[Cyan]

I go with resonance and openness when looking at the numerous works out there, e.g., developing hypotheses that are relatively tentative so that it may be refined continuously so as not to lock into something so strongly.

I look at L/L Research and how it generously provides information (for free) and it vibrates a collaborative and love/light based energy is very special. I just believe true powerfulness is subtle, soft, and malleable. That's what L/L Research represents for me.

When there is lots of personality in a work, it takes away from the learning because the person/teacher comes out very strongly. Yet, it is also a great learning experience to see people change (great mirror) and brings validation to our shared experience, etc.,. Personality becomes rather distracting because we could potentially identify with it and get stuck at that aspect.

So... not to compare any person/organization, but there is something remarkable when someone's work comes from a community of beings with shared goals. My vision for the future is sort of along this line... that as we mature spiritually, the focus is collaborative, communal, and subtle with intent focused on giving unconditionally.

This may seem strange.

But unlike most channeled entities. Ra seems to have no problem with being proven wrong. That is a strong point for me, that and that its done for free by a almost disabled old lady that manages to smile through it all and not go crazy and hunting for evil boogymen under every matress.

I find that Carla's approach of "oh, so we are enslaved to this interdimensional "war" between various entity groups that kind of resembles a war between two kinds of love, thats so awesome, how about we have tea and crumpets now" That resonates with me.

Might be just my crazyness though.

[reeay]

Yeah... I kind of interpret that as being dispassionate in a very positive way. Acceptance of the way things are, maybe? No attachment to being right or being responsible for the world. There's more space to grow from that point than if we're attached to the craziness of 3D world.

[Patrick]

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Might be just my crazyness though.

Crazy is great my friend ! I love being insane. From my point of view, it's humanity that is crazy. So I'm fine with them calling me insane.

[Infinite Unity]

The future is constantly being written, he could have well read the highest probability vortex at that time. For that reason alone, I would not give too much weight to predictions.

Regarding his channeling, I did hear (on the Sons of the Law of One website) a session from him, channeling Ra. There were a few personal phrases that he uses blended in, but, in his defence, that's what you get with light to medium trances (conscious channeling), as the thought forms are relayed by the personality of the channeler (the voice box is not controlled as it is with unconscious/deep trance channeling).

the general tone and information that was out of his channelings were way out of touch anything resembling Ra.

in case you remember, Ra said that the Ra contact was done over a very narrow band. and Carla had very particular pre-incarnative conditions that was chosen to make it easier for her to get into trance and enable such a contact. and, throughout the work that was made for four books, you can read the difficulties, dedication they had to maintain and the effort they had to spare to keep the contact going. AND it was possible because of the extensive harmony within the group of that three people.

i do not think that it is a willy nilly affair to do that channeling consciously, even now.

from what i understand, q'uo contact is also being made by getting into trance.

moreover, the tone of his contact and messages resemble more a 4 density channeling, beridden with personal gratification and praise, than any higher density entity. the measure of hope and positivity in the messages is a lot. even leaving aside the degrading effect of personal gratification, one should remember that 4d entities can be naive, and can keep exaggerated hopes regarding anything.

There is a lot of personal beliefs in his work. This is the point of life though, he has his opinions and is sharing them, it's up to each person to use discernment as to whether it resonates with them or not.

he came up as a topic in another discussion forum. people were bashing him. despite my impression i have kept a moderate ground and told there was nothing wrong about giving hope to people. someone said that, because of the hopes he have given about the disclosure before, he believed him, and got frustrated. he probably also experienced some humiliation if he told about it to other people too, tho he didnt say.

it is wrong to give extravagant hopes regarding anything like that. it is not as simple as 'it is up to people if it resonates with them or not'. he is not giving timeless, all encompassing general messages of love or hope. he is talking about events to happen in future.

it may resonate with some people, those people may make decisions, or life changing decisions based on those messages, and may end up frustrated the least, or worse. thats a disservice.

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Another thing, David firmly believes he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.  I'm not sure how that distortion colors the picture, as he didn't speak about it that weekend, but it must in some degree.  I assume.

well, i dont think he is right even on that front too. he does say that, but his messages, channelings dont come close to edgar cayce's either, in tone or content.

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on another note, he seems to be an individual with ego issues. 'reincarnation of edgar cayce', 'channeler of Ra', 2 most prominent spiritual message sources of modern times, a predictor of events, a singer (he recently put out a single i believe), a speaker and so on.

he pretty much acts like an adolescent celebrity, in the words of someone who was in the discussion in the other forum i saw this topic came up.

I totally agree. I do thank David, for his book. The source filed investigations. Cause it lead me to the Law of One. However besides that he is egotistical. He is always talking about how he is Edgar Cayce reincarnated. How he knows some insiders and so forth. I like any part of any message that relays love and hope. But David is always treading in transient material. He wants to be a spiritual popstar.

[AnthroHeart]

Didn't he also used to do Psychic readings?

[sjel]

So I guess turns out it's gradual

[Nau7ik]

So I guess turns out it's gradual

I think so. We'll live out our incarnations, those dying from this plane will harvest, and 3D souls will stop incarnating. The harvest is surrounded in mystery. We don't know what's going to happen or when. I see validity in instantaneous and gradual.

Christ said neither man nor angel know the hour. So be prepared as if the hour is now!