3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[zenmaster]

Perhaps negative is the wrong term. Perhaps anti-desire? I feel like both are things that we pull towards ourselves. One is with conscious intent, while the other is with unconscious intent.

Desires tend to be mostly unconscious here. Whether we like something or dislike something we don't tend to know why really. If we did, we wouldn't be here.

[reeay]

More than fear or anxiety I'd be worried about anger.

[zenmaster]

More than fear or anxiety I'd be worried about anger.

We work mainly on projections here about how things "should be". Anger is merely a failed projection. When projection can no longer serve as a vehicle to structure the (emotional) energy to our awareness, that energy can start disrupting the body.

[reeay]

Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion.

I use other terminologies and explanation of emotions as I am of a different theoretical orientation than you are, but I understand & accept your point.

[GentleReckoning]

Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion.

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To veins in one's forehead.

*woosh*

[reeay]

Hogey: re: wizard of oz analogy... do we get to keep our ruby slippers? lol

Why did Ruppert and Wilcock change their position from one extreme to the other? Is their hopeful view more of a reflection of how being on one end of the fear/hope spectrum shifts to the other extreme? It's a bit iffy to me when someone does that, although I see it done many times by many people.

[Oceania]

Rie what are you talking about?

and who's Ruppert?

[Meerie]

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One of the biggest people that opened my eyes to societal collapse, peak oil, and lots of other things is Michael Ruppert. I almost fell off my chair last week when I heard that he had given his company, CollapseNet, to the employees, walked away from his permaculture garden in Northern California, and is now saying a spiritual awakening is coming. He is no longer bothering to prep for collapse. He is just recommending that people enjoy their life and embrace the frequency of love. Interesting

Here, Oceania

[Oceania]

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One of the biggest people that opened my eyes to societal collapse, peak oil, and lots of other things is Michael Ruppert. I almost fell off my chair last week when I heard that he had given his company, CollapseNet, to the employees, walked away from his permaculture garden in Northern California, and is now saying a spiritual awakening is coming. He is no longer bothering to prep for collapse. He is just recommending that people enjoy their life and embrace the frequency of love. Interesting

Here, Oceania

has DW changed his mind too?

[hogey11]

Hogey: re: wizard of oz analogy... do we get to keep our ruby slippers? lol

Why did Ruppert and Wilcock change their position from one extreme to the other? Is their hopeful view more of a reflection of how being on one end of the fear/hope spectrum shifts to the other extreme? It's a bit iffy to me when someone does that, although I see it done many times by many people.

I think it could be fear of no changes, but I also think it could be the opposite as well. If either of them has been given solid proof that our reality will change in fundamental ways and that no preparation actions or lawsuits are going to affect us in that change, it would make sense that they back off the speakerphone and stop living with one foot in one room and the other in the opposing room.

As far as David is concerned, i'll throw up a few quotes from his last two articles:

A QUANTUM LEAP

According to the Law of One series, we are going to see a "quantum leap" in the number of "fourth-density photons" that are appearing in and around the Earth as this 25,000-year cycle draws to a close in December.

You can read more about this, including the original quotes, in Law of One and 2012: The Facts!, here on DivineCosmos.com.

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NOT DOOM AND GLOOM

Let me be clear: I am NOT doom-and-gloom about this. I think those fearful ideas are grossly distorted, and have very little to do with what this is really about.

One classic article I wrote examining the Internet / channeling / "fear porn" phenomenon -- before I coined that phrase -- is It Only Takes Five Minutes to Predict the End of the World, from March 19, 2007.

Fourth-density photons apparently cause "thoughts to become things" -- and there were previous jumps in 1936, correlating with the rise of Nazi Germany -- the exposure of negativity on a vast scale -- and 1972, with the Watergate scandal.

It is interesting to note that the big year for the confiscation of the world's gold and treasure in the Financial Tyranny investigation was 1934 -- just before this shift-point described in the Law of One.

Not all thoughts that become things are positive -- but these events have all helped pave the way for a mass awakening that will help us move into a vastly more peaceful and harmonious world.


THOUGHTS BECOME THINGS

The Law of One series also said that cancer cases began increasing after 1936, because people's own thoughts were now creating physical reactions much more than before.

This led to the growth of tumors in the case of anger and stress, and tyrannical governments on a mass level.

Both 1936 and 1972 represented clear energetic increases -- but what we're heading into at the end of this year is apparently much, much greater than either of those events.

In fact, this event is directly referred to as a "quantum leap" in the basic nature of our reality -- due to a fundamental harmonic change in the photons that are ultimately the basis of time, space, energy, matter and consciousness.

He is continuing on working on his books and conferences tho, so I don't think he's in the 'sudden teleportation' group; rather he's more in the 'earth changes' group imo...

another quote:

GUIDED TO RADICALLY CHANGE THE PLAN

Many people have complained about how long it has been since I wrote the last piece – and I do apologize for that.

There are times where quality is vastly more important than quantity. This was one of them. I did not know I was going to get pulled into such an extended "meditation retreat" when this all started.

Shortly after I finished "Will There Be a Quantum Awakening in 2012?", I finally started getting good sleep again. And with sleep comes dream data -- considering I've been capturing and analyzing them every morning for 20 years now.

I had been so stressed out before writing this piece that I was only getting bits and pieces of data each day -- if anything -- throughout July and August in particular.

Once I started getting good rest, and published the piece, a series of intense dreams gave me a very strong message. I was being guided -- nay, just about demanded -- to change my plans. Radically.

I was quite clearly being asked to abandon everything I was already working on -- which was very complex, including dozens of articles I'd collected on LIBOR, mass shootings, Illuminati and what have you -- and really get centered in nature.


STOP FIGHTING!

Most importantly, a series of powerful dreams -- some of which were nightmares -- told me to completely stop "fighting" the negative elite.

In the most significant dream, a very evil Illuminati character was vigorously battling me.

He was literally an embodiment of Lucifer. He had goat-styled ears and totally black eyes, but was an otherwise young and rich-looking man. He was very stylishly dressed in a shiny, custom-tailored tuxedo.

There were a bunch of people around in a super-elite dinner party. The men were all dressed like he was, and the women all had elegant, glittering dinner gowns and lavish diamond jewelry.

He seemed to have all of them under some sort of hypnotic control.


STEALING HIS GIRLFRIEND

I had somehow gotten invited to this party. There was an attractive woman there who I recognized as an old friend. She took a strong romantic interest in me.

At this point I had no idea that anything strange was going on. She was delighted to see me, clearly had a very strong attraction, and wanted to do something about it -- as soon as possible.

I was completely shocked when this athletic-looking man then levitated down from the ceiling, right next to her -- and began staring me down.

First he spoke to her quite harshly -- and she felt very ashamed. She turned her head and covered her face.

Then, SNAP! He turned to me. Suddenly, his eyes were totally black -- and he had the ears of a goat. I almost vomited from fear.

It was Lucifer -- and apparently I was caught trying to steal his girlfriend!

I realized he had everyone under hypnotic control. I was the only one there who could see what he really looked like.

She had been starting to wrestle free -- just a bit -- but I wasn't under his control at all.


HE BECAME EXTREMELY ANGRY

My "betrayal" caused him to become extremely angry. He attacked me -- and made all sorts of outrageous threats.

For some reason, I got totally calm, went into "warrior mode," and had absolute confidence that I could defeat him.

I suddenly found that I had similar abilities as he did -- including teleportation, telekinesis, et cetera -- but I was better at it than he was.

The battle we fought was quite epic -- and would make an incredible movie scene if it could be done properly. Forget about "The Matrix." This was CRAZY.

As he attacked me, these people in the party just continued right along, laughing and drinking champagne, as if nothing was happening -- even as stuff was flying all around them.

I was never actually damaged or even touched in this battle. It was more about his bravado -- and trying to create the fear.

He said lots of scary-sounding things as he appeared and disappeared around the room -- but I could never quite reach him.


SMASHING THE SKELETON

After an extended battle, in which he seemed to get progressively weaker and weaker, there was a sudden scene change.

Now I was with a few other people in a room next to where the party had been. It was an archaic-looking stable, made out of weathered wood, with hay all over the floor.

About three other guys and I were standing there, arms crossed, looking down at this moldering brown skeleton in the hay.

The skeleton appeared to have a certain degree of small jewels and gold nuggets encrusted into its browning surface -- and it glittered.

Now he couldn't move around anymore. I had him. Finally!

I grabbed a sledgehammer on the wall. I held it high over my head -- and prepared to bash his head in with it. I wanted to finish him off -- once and for all.

**CLANG**!!!

It sounded like I was hitting metal. Then -- to make matters worse -- the skull immediately started growing thicker!


"IT WILL ONLY MAKE HIM STRONGER!!!"

**CLANG**!!!

I whacked his skull again. It continued growing even more! This was quite a disturbing phenomenon to watch. What the hell was happening?

Someone who had been watching all this on the sidelines -- actually a person from India or Southeast Asia -- suddenly begged me to stop pounding on the skeleton at this point.

"Please stop!" this person said. "He's almost gone now. If you attack him it will only make him stronger!"


ONLY ONE PART OF A MUCH LONGER DREAM

This was the key set of scenes in an incredible Illuminati dream that was much more complex than what I have already shared here.

This dream was so detailed and powerful that it took pages and pages to write it all up -- and it triggered a tremendous healing process for me to move through.

Clearly, the message was that I would only be giving the "negative elite" more publicity if I released all the hyper-complex expose' material I was working on.

In the process of giving them publicity, I would have created fear -- even if that was not my intention.

And by creating fear, I would have actually been making them stronger.

Make of it what you will

[Spaced]

Very cool. I'm really glad he's finally made that realization!

[zenmaster]

Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion.

I use other terminologies and explanation of emotions as I am of a different theoretical orientation than you are, but I understand & accept your point.

Anger is an attachment to something rejected. Usually we attempt to put distance between the object of anger and our consciousness. So the associated emotion has no route to consciousness. If you reject it consciously, you may polarize negatively.

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Hogey: re: wizard of oz analogy... do we get to keep our ruby slippers? lol

Why did Ruppert and Wilcock change their position from one extreme to the other? Is their hopeful view more of a reflection of how being on one end of the fear/hope spectrum shifts to the other extreme? It's a bit iffy to me when someone does that, although I see it done many times by many people.

If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim.

[Patrick]

Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion.

I use other terminologies and explanation of emotions as I am of a different theoretical orientation than you are, but I understand & accept your point.

Anger is an attachment to something rejected. Usually we attempt to put distance between the object of anger and our consciousness. So the associated emotion has no route to consciousness. If you reject it consciously, you may polarize negatively.

Can't we just accept the anger and then release it completely?

[reeay]

I think it depends on the depth of anger. It seems to be an emotion that is very easy to be stuck in without release. When I work with people with deep anger issues I found it just leads to whole lot of venting and no movement. As sensei Zenmaster mentioned there's a whole lot of issues around rejection... and abandonment, self worth, feeling unlovable etc. Viewing self as unlovable is ultimately (in my experience and opinion) the most difficult to work with because the person has low "ego strength" to be able to self-sooth and process their anger issues.

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If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim.

The line by line analysis is interesting. I see that a lot and wondered whether his interpretation was colored by his wishfulness for a certain future. It felt like he was selling me something.

[zenmaster]

Well, seems like fear and anxiety could lead to hope, but where does anger go? Particularly if anger is one's primary emotion.

I use other terminologies and explanation of emotions as I am of a different theoretical orientation than you are, but I understand & accept your point.

Anger is an attachment to something rejected. Usually we attempt to put distance between the object of anger and our consciousness. So the associated emotion has no route to consciousness. If you reject it consciously, you may polarize negatively.

Can't we just accept the anger and then release it completely?

We must first be able to bring the conditions which elicited the emotion to consciousness. Only then can we acknowledge and accept it. You can't accept an unconscious reaction.

[reeay]

This is a great way to release anger : http://youtu.be/79gzdskOGu4

[Oceania]

what's low ego strength? how do you fix it?

[hogey11]

If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim.

Can you give me an independent thought then?

Why do you insist on cutting others down like this? David is doing what he is called to do. Why do you show this resentment towards him? Has he hurt you in some way?

[Cyan]

If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim.

Can you give me an independent thought then?

Why do you insist on cutting others down like this? David is doing what he is called to do. Why do you show this resentment towards him? Has he hurt you in some way?

Honey, it is zenmasters function. =)

Edit: do you scream at the bedpost for being there for you to hit your toe on. Maybe for the first 3 seconds until you realise how pointless it is. It is, quite literally, a zenmasters duty to cut others to little pieces. Take no offence at it anymore than jumping into a meatgrinder should make you feel offence at the meatgrinder.

[reeay]

what's low ego strength? how do you fix it?

People who have low ego strength are very confused about who they are. Some reject themselves, others may not like themselves very much. It's difficult for them to validate themselves. It's hard to have self-understanding or self-acceptance... and hard to understand and accept other people. It's hard for them to find inner coping system to calm them down when they feel stressed or distressed.

Just think about... self-knowledge. Having a good understanding of yourself and accepting who you really are... and loving yourself unconditionally. There are many ways to reach this point and that depends on the person's preference. Therapy, meditation, going to healers... might take a lifetime, might be rather quick.

[Oceania]

yeah... or just pop pills.

[hogey11]

Honey, it is zenmasters function. =)

Edit: do you scream at the bedpost for being there for you to hit your toe on. Maybe for the first 3 seconds until you realise how pointless it is. It is, quite literally, a zenmasters duty to cut others to little pieces. Take no offence at it anymore than jumping into a meatgrinder should make you feel offence at the meatgrinder.

My higher self screams at me to defend others, so I will do so. It kills me to stand by and allow it. Sorry, but I stand by my challenges to zen.

I see no honor in 'cutting others to little pieces' when they are 3rd parties and not even part of the conversation. There is far too much ego involved with that. It's too 'elite' for me. It's very easy to come off as an authority when nobody is there to answer.

[reeay]

yeah... or just pop pills.

That's OK if it helps!

[GentleReckoning]

If DW had an independent thought, it'd die of lonlieness. He's bound himself to that sub-collective meme which is overly fixated on outward illusion and what it can be molded into to fulfill fantasy and whim.

Can you give me an independent thought then?

Why do you insist on cutting others down like this? David is doing what he is called to do. Why do you show this resentment towards him? Has he hurt you in some way?

Agreed. There is great value to simply being able to aggregate efficiently. In fact, judging by the success and value placed on those that aggregate in our society I would bet that it is of great value to us as a species.
However, I would say that there is no reason to delve into zenmaster's motives. His post is fine, as is yours.

[reeay]

My higher self screams at me to defend others, so I will do so. It kills me to stand by and allow it. Sorry, but I stand by my challenges to zen.

I see no honor in 'cutting others to little pieces' when they are 3rd parties and not even part of the conversation. There is far too much ego involved with that. It's too 'elite' for me. It's very easy to come off as an authority when nobody is there to answer.

I understand that... had experienced that myself in my athena complex-ness. It's interesting to see what "defending others" really is... not everything we do or are compelled to do is straight-forward to defend honor. You are reacting to a catalyst.

I don't think it's your higher self...

[GentleReckoning]

what's low ego strength? how do you fix it?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid101201

It's super effective!

[Cyan]

Honey, it is zenmasters function. =)

Edit: do you scream at the bedpost for being there for you to hit your toe on. Maybe for the first 3 seconds until you realise how pointless it is. It is, quite literally, a zenmasters duty to cut others to little pieces. Take no offence at it anymore than jumping into a meatgrinder should make you feel offence at the meatgrinder.

My higher self screams at me to defend others, so I will do so. It kills me to stand by and allow it. Sorry, but I stand by my challenges to zen.

I see no honor in 'cutting others to little pieces' when they are 3rd parties and not even part of the conversation. There is far too much ego involved with that. It's too 'elite' for me. It's very easy to come off as an authority when nobody is there to answer.

Something once said to me:

"Dont get your hands dirty shoveling that s***, you'll just smell bad too."

[hogey11]

I get fired up because David has admitted his past wrongs, yet people like zen continue to crucify him for them.

I find great value in watching people grow. When that is ignored and instead negativity is heaped upon instead, I get upset. I am no claiming I have no catalyst to work through, but you gotta understand that my FIRST inclination is to sit down and shut up. That would be far easier, but I speak up because I feel Zen's opinion is not fair on many levels. It's not fair to David's progress as a human being (of which zen would have no knowledge as he despises the guy). I have gained much from David's work, and therefore I defend him. I just don't expect him to be perfect and to never change who he is.

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@cyan

Someone's gotta shovel the s*** (i appreciate the use of the word "too" as well). My goal in this life is not related to cleanliness. I'd rather do the hard work required. If that means I create conflict at times, I gotta deal with that.

Also, is my question to zenmaster so unfair? If he is able to cast such judgement on others, shouldn't he have something to say for himself?

[reeay]

Of course it's great that he is progressing and having that conscious realization of what he had been doing (and not listening to his higher self). But the issue isn't about what someone did to DW or said about him. It's about your reaction to the situation that is the most important. This situation in this thread is a feedback system showing you something important, about you.

[Cyan]

I get fired up because David has admitted his past wrongs, yet people like zen continue to crucify him for them.

I find great value in watching people grow. When that is ignored and instead negativity is heaped upon instead, I get upset. I am no claiming I have no catalyst to work through, but you gotta understand that my FIRST inclination is to sit down and shut up. That would be far easier, but I speak up because I feel Zen's opinion is not fair on many levels. It's not fair to David's progress as a human being (of which zen would have no knowledge as he despises the guy). I have gained much from David's work, and therefore I defend him. I just don't expect him to be perfect and to never change who he is.

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@cyan

Someone's gotta shovel the s*** (i appreciate the use of the word "too" as well). My goal in this life is not related to cleanliness. I'd rather do the hard work required. If that means I create conflict at times, I gotta deal with that.

Also, is my question to zenmaster so unfair? If he is able to cast such judgement on others, shouldn't he have something to say for himself?

To clarify, i agree with your question in its content, simply not with its usefulness. I see you more as being right but screaming at the grand canyon.