3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[Patrick]

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[Parsons]

And I worry for all those not preparing themselves for the shift and end up stuck on the new 3d earth another 75000 years after coming so far in awakening in this heavy illusion. :p

[Spaced]

It doesn't really make a difference to me if it's sudden or gradual because either way there is only now.

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Harvest comes to each entity exactly when it should.

[zenmaster]

You are irritated because you have moved past this topic.

You wouldn't have the reaction if you've actually accepted it. Therefore it has not been passed at all, but is present catalyst. Can't transcend without also including in this foolproof system.

[Patrick]

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[reeay]

Yes thank you thread for the catalyst and thank you friends for feedback.

[βαθμιαίος]

To address the substance of NternalArchitect's argument for a moment: If there is to be a sudden harvest followed by a gradual, 100 to 700 year transition to full fourth density, why did Ra say that the 100-700 year time frame could not be accurate "due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time"?

After a sudden harvest all non-dual bodies would have left the sphere, so why would the volatility of our peoples even be relevant? Surely those in dual bodies, here for fourth-density work, are not especially volatile.

[NternalArchitect]

To address the substance of NternalArchitect's argument for a moment: If there is to be a sudden harvest followed by a gradual, 100 to 700 year transition to full fourth density, why did Ra say that the 100-700 year time frame could not be accurate "due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time"?

After a sudden harvest all non-dual bodies would have left the sphere, so why would the volatility of our peoples even be relevant? Surely those in dual bodies, here for fourth-density work, are not especially volatile.

Thank you.. I see what you're saying and I'll comment to a possibility.

I take this to most likely mean to fluctuate sharply, and regularly. How would you feel when you realize that 80-90% of the population is gone, and you're here. Or let's say UFO's are present and you understand for the first time the world you knew was all upside-down and backwards, and now it's completely different.

So that's one way of interpreting. Good point, I can see where that questioning leads.. 100 years isn't that long either. In 1981, those in double-bodied activation would have barely been born 'in the only, shall we say, recent past.' so seeing into the probabilities/possibilities of the future seeing how the current culture and world tendencies affect them would be troublesome. Considering if time functions differently on a 4th density Earth is another factor and variable to wonder.

And also, an important clarification, the 100 year doesn't start during the leap, it begins at 1981... or 82, depending on when the session occurred.

In spite of that, the state of..
'This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.'
Speaks a great deal. Transitional body, the name itself, speaks to a transition.. a transition of what, a 100-700 year transition. Because third density bodies can't handle 4th density in full, which would mean the quantum leap of the electron from 3rd density, to 4th.

They said themselves that it will be a quantum leap, as we call it. A quantum leap is where an electron jumps from one space to another. So until that boundary is crossed, it won't be 4th, and there won't be any incremental space traveled in between.

"But the photon has already changed." Yup, yet it's noticeable that the earths consciousness of orange tint will have to be changed for us to experience 4th. The movement of the poles representing this.. so if our society were more disharmonious, the movement would be more sporadic and extreme like large earthquakes, rather than small incremental releases of pressure and movement of the poles. When the magnetic north rests on the future spot of instreaming 4th density energy complexes, then that's where we get our realms of experience.

"There is every indication that this will occur. We cannot speak of certainties but are aware that the grosser or less dense materials will be pulled into conformation with the denser and lighter energies which give your Logos its proceedings through the realms of experience."

Again, for those who would die and not be able to make the steps of light into 4th density, why would they be able to experience years of DNA mutations that would be akin to early hominids growing skulls, loss of hair, standing upright, the movement of vocal cords, and so on, when their souls are not ready for a 4th density incarnation. Could this be considered 4th density in full? It's not full activation, no, but that relies on us transmuting our own disharmonies as a people before we can anchor the full activation and the new race.

Also, considering that the distortion due to our bellicose actions has caused our lifespan to diminish from 900 to 90 because of the travel light/love makes into our magnetic poles, then I wonder what 4th density light entering this web of connected vortices around the planet will do to our lifespan, and such... hence the change of DNA that will occur. If the light is a whole jump into the 4th density electron placement, or whatever creates the difference, then as Ra mentioned, third density bodies couldn't handle this instreaming in their electrical grids, thus the need for the transitional body. The light is too glaring for them. And until we encompass fully activated 4th density bodies, we can't shield the earth and separate the 4th density light from the third density experience. (just a guess here)

[Patrick]

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[βαθμιαίος]

It's clear what Q'uo thinks about harvest and the transition. What Ra thinks, not so much.

[Patrick]

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[marielle]

Our dysfunctional oil-based industrial civilization and our financial system are facing an imminent collapse. We don’t have 100 to 700 years. I, for one, am praying for a quick and painless shift into 4D. Maybe when 65 million+ wanderers suddenly find themselves unable to buy food or gas or even turn on an electric light, there will be a loud call to shift NOW. And, yes, I know that there are suppressed alternatives that can feed and cleanly supply energy for the people on our planet. I just don’t think that’s the part of the plan and I can’t see it being implemented in our infrastructure quickly enough to avoid wide spread suffering. Of course we could always have some divine intervention...I sometimes wonder if divine intervention is at work even now keeping things running smoothly?

I remember reading somewhere that David Wilcock said the shift would not happen until the economy collapses first.

We’ll see, won’t we

[Parsons]

This seems quite clear to me.

And that is that it is likely that this lifetime or at the very most, for those who die soon from the physical body, one more lifetime, shall be the last opportunity before graduation to refine the polarity of self to the point at which you the seeker might accept the quality of light which is the native light in fourth density...

... ...It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over...

It depends on which parts of the quote you are paying attention to / highlighting. After reviewing almost the entire Q'uo material, I can very confidently say that you could come to a conclusion that the transition to 4d will be a gradual one OR you could come to the conclusion it will have an abrupt switchover moment. I have noticed, however, in most of the quotes provided for a gradual transition stem from a fearful question being posed about the end of 3D. Point in case:

Group question: The question today, Q’uo, has to do with information that you gave some time ago concerning the end of third density and the beginning of fourth density. We’re wondering if there is any reason for us to be afraid of anything that’s going to occur then. Everything that we know is going to come to an end, as we know it, in third density. An entirely new fourth-density vibration is coming in, entirely new ways of looking at things, of doing and being. Is there any reason for fear?

Answer:

...One reason there is no need to fear these changes is that these changes are largely non-physical. As the questioner expressed the question, it was clear that the questioner was aware that they take place in the unseen realms, the inner planes. Therefore, while these changes are absolutely radical and revolutionary, they are not changes that will affect life as you know it on planet Earth. Consensus reality shall reflect only shadows of these changes...

Nowhere does Q'uo correct the question being posed and say that 3D isn't coming to an end(for this planet).

[Siren]

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Why do you even worry about it?
What is there to be concerned about?
What kind of changes do you expect to see?
Could it be you are expecting some kind of "confirmation"?
What are you doubting?
What do you fear?

Why?

[Patrick]

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I'm creating negativity with these posts. I've just got a Left Ear Tone. It's been a while since I got one of those.

I'm sorry for that. Please disregard anything I say that does not resonate.

Much love and light to all. We are all seekers...

[reeay]

I remember reading somewhere that David Wilcock said the shift would not happen until the economy collapses first.

It won't have to be a collapse unless our consciousness needs a collapse for our learning. I hope it is a peaceful transition.

That particular person seemed to have gone from highly positive to highly conspiracy/negative in his messages. I'm hope his message will reach a balance.

[marielle]

In this post from last year in this thread:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...5#pid29495

Judy recommends that people start preparing for a future without gas, electricity, grocery stores, etc, because she feels the shift to 4D will be gradual and she recognizes that collapse is inevitable.

One of the biggest people that opened my eyes to societal collapse, peak oil, and lots of other things is Michael Ruppert. I almost fell off my chair last week when I heard that he had given his company, CollapseNet, to the employees, walked away from his permaculture garden in Northern California, and is now saying a spiritual awakening is coming. He is no longer bothering to prep for collapse. He is just recommending that people enjoy their life and embrace the frequency of love. Interesting

[Patrick]

...He is no longer bothering to prep for collapse. He is just recommending that people enjoy their life and embrace the frequency of love. Great advice!

Amen to that!

[reeay]

He is no longer bothering to prep for collapse. He is just recommending that people enjoy their life and embrace the frequency of love. Interesting

True! Although that cautious survival side does creep sometimes If we see people from past times and how they lived through collapses I believe we are just as capable of coming through such challenges.

[GentleReckoning]

Patrick, I'm going to start liking all of your deleted posts. I'm not sure why, but I'm going to.

Be warned!

[NternalArchitect]

Siren, yes, I admit there are reasons that I would love an instantaneous shift. And my scouring Ra is an attempt to confirm the synchronicities I'm experiencing and the dreams my fiance is having about our future. Mind you, she wasn't very knowledgeable about LOO before having them. Still, my mind and heart convinces me of its sudden nature.

Left ear rings suck! lol I usually figure it's telepathic greetings. It's good to see you adhering to your desire for peace, love, and positivity.

I'm not very familiar with Carla's continued channelings. I can't put much faith into them since she's awake. Her predisposed ideas must highly taint the material. Though I understand she's an experienced instrument with years of familiarity, the passing along of the channeling to Jim or others totally deters me from giving it a high amount of credibility. Because.. doesn't the percent STO oriented then create the validity of the information? The STS% allowing deceiving confusion?

Ra was such a clear and precise message. The objects above her head had to be at certain angles. The group had to mesh just right energetically for Ra to choose them, and after listening to the recordings, you can clearly see that there were virtually no personal distortion of the material. Ra mechanically operating her mouth and vocal cords like a true adept. Sleep talking basically.

I had a thought today about the astral planes clearing that Ra mentioned. So all those spiritual entities not in physical incarnation are harvested in one movement.

"This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."

So.. we have two options, yes? Either it's one movement of all, and the three way split-harvest, or we have all those who are alive, remain alive, but all souls not in body, will be harvested. In this case, only 4D beings past this point will be newly birthing on this planet. The change in the earth's aura could be created by the clear sweeping and eliminating of all those disharmonious beings/pieces of humanity's consciousness in one movement. Either way, this will be a tremendous occurrence. The 4th density magnetized Earth will be a beauty to behold =).

This is interesting..

"Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs so that the Earth will thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you might call it.

[This will change everything.. us, the planet, our minds, abilities..]

This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy pattern within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.

You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

[At first I thought it was referring to the double-bodied incarnations, but it's questionable after reading this paragraph because, at least to me, it seems like it's speaking to those who are close to 95% STS who are using this last incarnation for possibly achieving harvest. The social complexes possibly meaning those who are in the middle having to face their STS sides?]

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all of the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than that which this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service."

[This makes it sound like those who stay will be 4D positive.]

What continues to trip me up is the quote about 4D double bodied not having the 4th density disruption.

And also how through the quantum leap, those who aren't able to handle the light, are forced to stay and experience it? It won't be anything like 3D. It's a complete jump, transition. There are no incremental steps. The planet is 3D, or 4D magnetized. What does 4D magnetized REALLY mean anyway? More dense, yes? I keep thinking.. the electrical fields will fail..

[hogey11]

A few things that have occurred to me:

First, David has just recently in his latest two postings 'doubled down' on the sudden aspect of the shift. He seems truly convinced that we will experience some sort of change on a physical/cosmological level come December 21, 2012. Rie mentions that his writings went very negative/conspiratorial for a bit, and actually David addressed this in his last post. He says he was told by his higher self to stop posting on that stuff in late summer, and has kept a lot of it from the public because he felt he was lending too much power to the 'dark side' through his investigations. Like what Michael Ruppert is apparently doing (which I learned about here - i'm a fan of Ruppert as well and that sounds like a vast departure from his usual point of view!), he too is apparently focusing more on the spiritual shift that is to come soon enough (according to him). Just thought i'd throw that out there; many of us are interested in all of David's opinions surrounding the Law of One. At least I am; I owe my discovery of Law of One to him.

I also want to throw out that I really get a strong 'feel' that both sides are right. Think about the Wizard of Oz movie: You have a cohesive story that starts in Kansas, goes to Oz, and ends again in Kansas (gradual). However, within that arc, you also have a moment where everything blinks (goes black), and when things come back everything is in technicolor and Dorothy finds herself in a strange and magical land (she also starts by 'ending' the dark past (WWoW)). Now, we end up back in Kansas in the end, but in the meantime we experience something absolutely magical. I think this is what we may be facing. Whether the yellow brick road spans 10, 100, or 1000 years, it will all be in technicolor. I think we'll entertain ourselves just fine.

[GentleReckoning]

He is no longer bothering to prep for collapse. He is just recommending that people enjoy their life and embrace the frequency of love. Interesting

True! Although that cautious survival side does creep sometimes If we see people from past times and how they lived through collapses I believe we are just as capable of coming through such challenges.

Biggest thing to remember is that as we move closer and closer to 4d that fears and desires will manifest that much more quickly. So, if you have any lingering fears, you'll be blessed to face them that much more quickly. If you stay strong in your love, you'll be just fine no matter what happens.

[reeay]

I fear 2 things: cockroaches and centipedes
Will those things have any significance to harvest? lol

True GR. I am finding that in this energy, now, certain aspects of self that need balancing is being amplified so it's clear to know what needs to be done in the moment. So I'm taking it as an opportunity to work through fears rather than prohibiting it for the concern that it may manifest in that way. And to perhaps to love self/other self while being grounded to earth. I think it's OK to have anxieties about futures and its uncertainties. That could possibly be motivating. When one feels one's energy centers are relatively balanced perhaps such fears/anxieties won't be so overwhelming to shift possible future scenario?

[zenmaster]

Biggest thing to remember is that as we move closer and closer to 4d that fears and desires will manifest that much more quickly. So, if you have any lingering fears, you'll be blessed to face them that much more quickly. If you stay strong in your love, you'll be just fine no matter what happens.

What is this "that much" you're talking about?

[GentleReckoning]

In my understanding, as time compresses as we shift to 4d the time needed to manifest fears/desires will drastically shrink compared to what we are used to in 3d. This allows us to 'get clear' much faster as we are able to experience rapid catalyst of our fears and desires both. The additional adjectives might be superfluous, but I felt that a likely exponential decrease in time until we are in space/time would be much better described with it in there.

[zenmaster]

This allows us to 'get clear' much faster as we are able to experience rapid catalyst of our fears and desires both.

The way I see it, fears are desires.

[GentleReckoning]

This allows us to 'get clear' much faster as we are able to experience rapid catalyst of our fears and desires both.

The way I see it, fears are desires.

Then excuse the redundancy. Unless of course you meant in that they are the polar opposite of desires: negative desires.

[zenmaster]

This allows us to 'get clear' much faster as we are able to experience rapid catalyst of our fears and desires both.

The way I see it, fears are desires.

Then excuse the redundancy. Unless of course you meant in that they are the polar opposite of desires: negative desires.

Why are fears negative?

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The polar opposite of a fear is a hope. Both are desires.

[GentleReckoning]

Perhaps negative is the wrong term. Perhaps anti-desire? I feel like both are things that we pull towards ourselves. One is with conscious intent, while the other is with unconscious intent.