6D Wanderers: 3D Lessons?

[unity100]

It's nice to see a thread on here that has stirred up passions and debate. Thanks Mr. Unity100. I think you are catalyzing me, haha.

From what I have read from you, Service to others does not necessarily equal positive polarity, since Ra is beyond polarity, but still serves.

service doesnt require positive polarity, it seems.

positive polarity tends to ignore self for the sake of others. negative polarity, tends to ignore others for the sake of self.

what i understand is, seeking without polarity would be seeking without neglecting self, or the others.

But you must admit that positive polarity is service to others. And since anyone on Earth cannot go beyond polarity (it would be like trying to exist beyond the space/time continuum, we just aren't cabable of doing it with these meat slabs called bodies), then we cannot serve without polarizing.
So it's a Wanderer's job to polarize.

'anyone on earth cannot go beyond polarity' is a proposition that doesnt have a ground.

first, by incarnating here, wanderers' spirit and its biases, core qualities do not change. as said, if it had, there would be nothing to define the wanderer, and it would be a native 3d entity as if it never went to any higher density than 3rd.

as such, if a wanderer is incarnated here, its spirit should be still having its own biases and its balance, and its vibrations would be delicate in accordance with its density. (and this is probably the main reason for incompatibility and problems of wanderers with 3d society).

the significator, mind/body/spirit complex, the manifestation would vibrate anywhere in between 2 to 4d, at any given time. this is the physical end result, the manifestation of the entity in incarnation -> this is why it is the significator.

entity's body not being able to go over 3d vibrations, or 4d vibrations, or entity not being able to manifest this due to any reason, does not relate to its spirit, its core nature. neither, to its subconscious mind, where all the previous history and emotions, experiences are kept.

the wanderer, therefore, in a given ideal state, would manifest as much 2, 3, 4d vibrations as what would it manifest in its existing balance.

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whats the meaning of all these details ?

the meaning of these details is that, even if the wanderer is forced to manifest in 2, 3, at most 4d physically, and hence, appear positively polarized due to the definitions we have, if the unmanifested centers and balance of the entity is accounted for, the entity would come up unpolarized (if it is from 6d).

when the entity dies, or severes connection to the limitations of this planet due to any reason, (and returns to formmaker body, if death) the entity would return to its normal condition, its higher centers would probably speedily activate, and it would be as it is.

if, this entity, in incarnation, forces itself to increase activity in its yellow and green ray chakras, and forces them more for any reason, the entity would probably end up imbalancing its greater balance.

that is the problem with polarity, for a high density entity. that is why each wanderer has to carefully think and decide whether s/he needs to polarize or not, if they are from 6d.

Nowhere in the Ra Material does at say Wanderers can serve without polarizing, or that they are beyond polarization. Nowhere does it say that a 3D mind/body/spirit complex can begin to grasp what it's like in 6D. "We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. " If there are no words to describe 4th, then imagine how unimaginable 6D is to our brains. I don't think we can really understand living where the "polarities are harmonized."

nowhere in Ra material it is said that wanderers cannot serve without polarizing either.

6d being 'unimaginable to our brains' does not negate the concepts we are given. with the concepts we are given, we can understand what has been taught. we are in 3d, and what was given was given to teach things. if they were not understandable, there would be no point in teaching all those stuff.

moreover, a lot, regarding 6d and higher d work, has been left by Ra intentionally unexplained, not to infringe on adept's work and learning.

it means, these can be learned while in this density.

We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One.

Pretty sure Ra means they aren't from 4th desnity (love) or 5th density (light). I think that was explained in book 5.

that is a very wide interpretation and it is also forced.

they also say they are without polarity, and seeking without polarity. this is not relevant to 4th density, or 5th density.

[Wander-Man]

that is a very wide interpretation and it is also forced.

Session 15, January 30, 1981

Questioner: Is it possible, since we are Wanderers, for you to tell us
anything about which our last density was, which density we came from?
Ra: I scan each and find it acceptable to share this information. The
Wanderers in this working are of two densities, one the density of five; that is, of light; one the density of love/light, or unity.

I'll respond to the other stuff later my friend, it is difficult to grasp the thrust of your statements, lol

[unity100]

it says density of light, and density of love/light. not, law of love, and law of love/light.

a law for each density does not exist.

[Wander-Man]

it says density of light, and density of love/light. not, law of love, and law of love/light.

Agreed.

I think you're having difficulty accepting our information, as well as expressing your ideas in a way that is understood by an other-self:

The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

I'm blocked in blue a lot myself fyi


Did you read Quantum's last post? It sealed the deal for the polarization case I'm afraid. Here's another nail in the coffin:

Questioner: I sense, possibly, a connection between what you just said and why so many Wanderers have selected the harvest time on this planet to incarnate. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that in the chance to remember that which has been lost in the forgetting there is a nimiety of opportunity for positive polarization. We believe this is the specific thrust of your query. Please ask further if it is not.

balancing is the opposite of polarization. i dont think you have paid attention to that fact yet. you cannot polarize, and become more balanced.

I typed in "balance" in the lawofone.info searchbar, and I didn't find one instance where Ra spoke of balance in regards to the need of balancing positive and negative polarities. Try it yourself. It mentions balancing compassion/wisdom, emotions, energy centers, but not polarization.

If you are a 6D Wanderer, your learning mission is to "make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected."

Balance your compassion and wisdom, not your polarity, please, lol. Taking care and looking after yourself, respecting your body and nurturing your mind would be an application of wisdom so that you may serve others better - that is not balancing your polarity - it's a compassion/wisdom balance.

Thanks for this debate, unity. I haven't gone through the Ra Material in a while, and this discussion made me remember that I love reading it, haha

[unity100]

I think you're having difficulty accepting our information, as well as expressing your ideas in a way that is understood by an other-self:

im expressing as clearly as it can be expressed. 'accepting' an information is no problem, if the information delivered is clear and solid.

Did you read Quantum's last post? It sealed the deal for the polarization case I'm afraid. Here's another nail in the coffin:

i am not discussing with him or reading his posts, due to reasons i cited in another thread. if you want to pose it as an argument, just post that bit yourself.

Questioner: I sense, possibly, a connection between what you just said and why so many Wanderers have selected the harvest time on this planet to incarnate. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that in the chance to remember that which has been lost in the forgetting there is a nimiety of opportunity for positive polarization. We believe this is the specific thrust of your query. Please ask further if it is not.

any entity lacking polarity, would find it an opportunity to increase polarization. positively, or negatively.

note that the balancing of 6d, is a rebalancing of wisdom, with love again. there may be entities which have gone on the wisdom side, too much to offset their balance, while doing their wisdom study in 5d.

it doesnt make polarization mandatory. but what is more important, it doesnt make forced, exaggerated polarization, something good.

if, an entity lacking enough positive polarity has gained it, and have gained the balance of love/wisdom (speaking of 6d entities, naturally), it should stop further polarizing, unless s/he doesnt intend a different balance point, which would probably require balancing of excess love with wisdom again. once you gain a balance, you dont disrupt that balance.

so is the picture in front of us.

I typed in "balance" in the lawofone.info searchbar, and I didn't find one instance where Ra spoke of balance in regards to the need of balancing positive and negative polarities. Try it yourself. It mentions balancing compassion/wisdom, emotions, energy centers, but not polarization.

in case you have missed, positive polarity is analogous to compassion. ra says they had to balance the extreme compassion they have gained in 4d, in 5d. moreover, the self-sacrifical act of the wanderer Jehoshuah, is given an example to the extreme expression of love.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#11

moreover, clearest information regarding balance, is how Ra seeks without polarity, and the balances they seek :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#5

64.5 Questioner: Could you describe or tell me of rituals or techniques used by Ra in seeking in the direction of service?

Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth-density is inevitably distorted greatly.

However, we shall attempt to speak to your query for it is an helpful one in that it allows us to express once again the total unity of creation. We seek the Creator upon a level of shared experience to which you are not privy and rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light. Our understanding is that there is no other material except light. Our rituals, as you may call them, are an infinitely subtle continuation of the balancing processes which you are now beginning to experience.

We seek now without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, for our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. These are the balances we seek, the balances between compassion and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek.

Your rituals at your level of progress contain the concept of polarization and this is most central at your particular space/time.

We may answer further if you have specific queries.

that bold part, is the 'deal sealer', in the manner of your speaking.

If you are a 6D Wanderer, your learning mission is to "make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfect. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth-density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected."

Balance your compassion and wisdom, not your polarity, please, lol. Taking care and looking after yourself, respecting your body and nurturing your mind would be an application of wisdom so that you may serve others better - that is not balancing your polarity - it's a compassion/wisdom balance.

refer to the point in above quote where Ra talks about seeking without polarity.

[Wander-Man]

in case you have missed, positive polarity is analogous to compassion

Okay, let's test that hypothesis

We seek now without polarity...These are the balances we seek, the balances between positive polarity and wisdom.

Nope, that doesn't make any sense.

I made a picture that shows what I think of how polarity differs from compassion/wisdom. Notice STS entities can be unbalanced in the Love area towards themselves.



Ra said the 4th density abounds in compassion. I'm not sure how 4th negative utilizes compassion, so I just put Love and Understanding under there.

The specific locations of the people aren't meant to be super accurate, it's just for illustration purposes.

[Sacred Fool]

note that the balancing of 6d, is a rebalancing of wisdom, with love again. there may be entities which have gone on the wisdom side, too much to offset their balance, while doing their wisdom study in 5d.

it doesnt make polarization mandatory. but what is more important, it doesnt make forced, exaggerated polarization, something good.

if, an entity lacking enough positive polarity has gained it, and have gained the balance of love/wisdom (speaking of 6d entities, naturally), it should stop further polarizing, unless s/he doesnt intend a different balance point, which would probably require balancing of excess love with wisdom again. once you gain a balance, you dont disrupt that balance.

so is the picture in front of us.

Hmm, well, that's not the picture in front of me. First of all, it's not so easy to be clear of one's density of origin. So, according to your ideological perspective, how does one know whether or not to polarize?

Secondly, unless one lives hold up in a cave like a 5D negative entity, it's pretty hard to avoid catalyst living on this planet. My understanding is that catalyst is another opportunity to be of service to the One Creatrix. I'm here, therefore I serve.

The picture in front of me is Ra's assertion that the being no longer in need of 3D catalyst is the one who, in response to every catalyst, asks, "How may I be of service?" Regardless of my afore stated good intentions, I'm not quite there yet...

Thirdly, Ra in 6D seeks w/o polarity, but that doesn't mean that 3D incarnate members of the Ra group do the same. When your in 3D, you not in 6D, unless I'm missing something here. They simply seek to serve--positively--which is exactly what Ra says it's intentions are, no?


Also--referring to the emboldened remark above--who said that 6D entities have achieved that balance? It seems to me that they incarnate here as one means to help achieve that. Once it's accomplished they then become eligible for harvest to 7D. They don't incarnate again and spend time posting messages on websites, for example, do they?

[Deekun]

I remember reading from Hidden Hand that they had a way of knowing what their current percentage STO or STS was but he did not go into detail. It would be great if we had a way of knowing, then I have a feeling more of us would be out there doing STO/STS work rather than arguing over one or two explanations we will not be able to get an answer to ourselves, that is unless Ra where to verify.

[Sacred Fool]

That brings to mind the quote that this is not the Density of knowing...

They say that our polarization is catalyzed more quickly by our not knowing such things reliably. On the other hand, maybe that's not a good excuse for sitting around here and arguing? I guess some of us (ahem) just can't resist a good squabble.

[Wander-Man]

I remember reading from Hidden Hand that they had a way of knowing what their current percentage STO or STS was but he did not go into detail. It would be great if we had a way of knowing, then I have a feeling more of us would be out there doing STO/STS work rather than arguing over one or two explanations we will not be able to get an answer to ourselves, that is unless Ra where to verify.

like

[Wander-Man]

That brings to mind the quote that this is not the Density of knowing...

They say that our polarization is catalyzed more quickly by our not knowing such things reliably. On the other hand, maybe that's not a good excuse for sitting around here and arguing? I guess some of us (ahem) just can't resist a good squabble.

like:idea:

[unity100]

in case you have missed, positive polarity is analogous to compassion

Okay, let's test that hypothesis

We seek now without polarity...These are the balances we seek, the balances between positive polarity and wisdom.

Nope, that doesn't make any sense.

your approaches lack to consider the Law of One, as a third polarity. 'we are not those of the law of light, we are not those of the law of love, we are those of Law of One', they say. there are 3 phrases in there.

service to self, and service to others. one neglects others one neglects self.

and then there is the potential concept of 'service'. or, 'service to all', if you please ?

the entity sees everything as one, including oneself and serves everything indiscriminately.

Hmm, well, that's not the picture in front of me. First of all, it's not so easy to be clear of one's density of origin. So, according to your ideological perspective, how does one know whether or not to polarize?

as with everything regarding delicate spiritual matters, this is something that the entity should counsel with its spiritual aid circle and, through the influence of its own spirit, determine.

there is no 'one fits all' balance or situation in these cases.

Secondly, unless one lives hold up in a cave like a 5D negative entity, it's pretty hard to avoid catalyst living on this planet. My understanding is that catalyst is another opportunity to be of service to the One Creatrix. I'm here, therefore I serve.

yes, this is a practical consideration. everyday life introduces too many imbalancing factors to an entity's violet. also, wear&tear. and situations differ for everyone. but what i think is, the reaction/solution should not be a knee jerk response to polarize. everyone should carefully listen to their own spirit, think, plan and live according to their own spiritual nature, balance and incarnational plans. and even then there will STILL be a lot of wear, tear and effects introduced to the person's violet. leading to tiredom, worn-outness, various conditions and issues.

Thirdly, Ra in 6D seeks w/o polarity, but that doesn't mean that 3D incarnate members of the Ra group do the same. When your in 3D, you not in 6D, unless I'm missing something here. They simply seek to serve--positively--which is exactly what Ra says it's intentions are, no?

i think in that case serving indiscriminately without neglecting self applies. that, should be an approach on its own.

Also--referring to the emboldened remark above--who said that 6D entities have achieved that balance? It seems to me that they incarnate here as one means to help achieve that. Once it's accomplished they then become eligible for harvest to 7D. They don't incarnate again and spend time posting messages on websites, for example, do they?

well thats the case isnt it. some entities will be weighted towards the wisdom side, some to love side, and then they have to rebalance love and wisdom with love again, it seems.

[Turtle]

well thats the case isnt it. some entities will be weighted towards the wisdom side, some to love side, and then they have to rebalance love and wisdom with love again, it seems.

It may be rare, but of course it is possible that a 6d wanderer who is not imbalanced at all could decide to incarnate here to lighten the planetary consciousness, without any other side missions in tow. This would have to be the kind of entity that does it for novel reasons, maybe said entity never incarnated on a world as veiled as ours and was simply curious as well.

[Sacred Fool]

It may be rare, but of course it is possible that a 6d wanderer who is not imbalanced at all could decide to incarnate here to lighten the planetary consciousness, without any other side missions in tow. This would have to be the kind of entity that does it for novel reasons, maybe said entity never incarnated on a world as veiled as ours and was simply curious as well.

If that's the case, then said entity is likely in for a wild ride and a long visit!

...long in terms of our time scale...

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your approaches lack to consider the Law of One, as a third polarity. 'we are not those of the law of light, we are not those of the law of love, we are those of Law of One', they say. there are 3 phrases in there.

service to self, and service to others. one neglects others one neglects self.

and then there is the potential concept of 'service'. or, 'service to all', if you please ?

the entity sees everything as one, including oneself and serves everything indiscriminately.

With all due respect, u., I don't think you have this quite in focus.

There are not and have never been three polarities. Essentially, those wishing to attain sufficient spiritual mass to travel upon path of returning to the unity of all may use one of two approaches. STS & STO have revealed themselves as the most relatively efficient means of using catalyst to that end. Somewhere around mid-6D these may be unified into a single approach which uses catalyst most efficiently. This, again, is a unified approach, NOT a third polarity.

Hmm, well, that's not the picture in front of me. First of all, it's not so easy to be clear of one's density of origin. So, according to your ideological perspective, how does one know whether or not to polarize?

as with everything regarding delicate spiritual matters, this is something that the entity should counsel with its spiritual aid circle and, through the influence of its own spirit, determine.

How exactly should one do that?

yes, this is a practical consideration. everyday life introduces too many imbalancing factors to an entity's violet. also, wear&tear. and situations differ for everyone. but what i think is, the reaction/solution should not be a knee jerk response to polarize. everyone should carefully listen to their own spirit, think, plan and live according to their own spiritual nature, balance and incarnational plans. and even then there will STILL be a lot of wear, tear and effects introduced to the person's violet. leading to tiredom, worn-outness, various conditions and issues.

I just can't understand, u., why you're so uptight about the balancing of a 6D being. This is their job. They're happy to do it. So what if takes another 100,000 years? What's that compared to millions? They say they're "out of time," so why worry about the wear & tear? More thorough balancing in 6D may conduce to less "time" doing so in a later density. I think you should lighten up and let the balances shift where ever they need to go. Otherwise, you're not in the game, you're skirting around the edges like a someone who's good at taking tests rather than someone who's truly engaged in the process.

Thirdly, Ra in 6D seeks w/o polarity, but that doesn't mean that 3D incarnate members of the Ra group do the same. When your in 3D, you not in 6D, unless I'm missing something here. They simply seek to serve--positively--which is exactly what Ra says it's intentions are, no?

i think in that case serving indiscriminately without neglecting self applies. that, should be an approach on its own.

What do mean, "that should be an approach on its own?" I can't follow you there.

Also--referring to the emboldened remark above--who said that 6D entities have achieved that balance? It seems to me that they incarnate here as one means to help achieve that. Once it's accomplished they then become eligible for harvest to 7D. They don't incarnate again and spend time posting messages on websites, for example, do they?

well thats the case isnt it. some entities will be weighted towards the wisdom side, some to love side, and then they have to rebalance love and wisdom with love again, it seems.

I guess it depends on what your goals are. Some students enter the music conservatory hoping just to learn to play the pitches in the correct sequence. Some arrive without a goal, just hoping to engage in the experience. Some are there to become masters of their instrument.

Ergo, some do choose to balance and re-balance again and again so as fully feed the 7th chakra and allow it to shine with full magnificence.

[Wander-Man]

I'm going to excuse myself from this thread like the many before me. God speed, and good luck to the survivors :idea::idea:

[unity100]

With all due respect, u., I don't think you have this quite in focus.

There are not and have never been three polarities. Essentially, those wishing to attain sufficient spiritual mass to travel upon path of returning to the unity of all may use one of two approaches. STS & STO have revealed themselves as the most relatively efficient means of using catalyst to that end. Somewhere around mid-6D these may be unified into a single approach which uses catalyst most efficiently. This, again, is a unified approach, NOT a third polarity.

thats a serious question. i dont have a clear cut answer to this. and this is why im discussing it.

we are told to have 2 polarities. and, we are told that at early 6th, these two polarities combine. and, ra says that as entities of late 6th d, they are continuing their work, unpolarized, without having polarity.

then we have polarity definitions. there is the service to self, which ignores and uses everything other than self, for self, and there is service to other, which ignores self and sacrifices it for the betterment of others.

now. if, polarities combine in early 6d, and there is not a 3rd, middle road polarity, then do the service to self go to service to other path ? we are told as such.

then how does Ra seek without polarity ... neither being for law of light, or law of love, but for love of one.

that is an important question that needs to be discussed deeply.

How exactly should one do that?

i remember Ra saying that as many ways were found to penetrate the veil as the imagination of the entities incarnated into a veil. probably endless.

and every entity has different character, and probably spiritual background.

so then its probably left entirely to the person himself/herself. something they need to discover themselves. some go to mountains, talk to spirits, castenada style, some listen to music, some meditate, some talk with certain friends, some pray, some run amok ....

but i think, and i strongly believe that, every entity has their own pre-incarnational setup for guidance and navigation. ranging from guides to higher selves, inner plane entities, whatever they set up before.

yes, this is a practical consideration. everyday life introduces too many imbalancing factors to an entity's violet. also, wear&tear. and situations differ for everyone. but what i think is, the reaction/solution should not be a knee jerk response to polarize. everyone should carefully listen to their own spirit, think, plan and live according to their own spiritual nature, balance and incarnational plans. and even then there will STILL be a lot of wear, tear and effects introduced to the person's violet. leading to tiredom, worn-outness, various conditions and issues.

I just can't understand, u., why you're so uptight about the balancing of a 6D being. This is their job. They're happy to do it. So what if takes another 100,000 years? What's that compared to millions? They say they're "out of time," so why worry about the wear & tear? More thorough balancing in 6D may conduce to less "time" doing so in a later density. I think you should lighten up and let the balances shift where ever they need to go. Otherwise, you're not in the game, you're skirting around the edges like a someone who's good at taking tests rather than someone who's truly engaged in the process.

the above wasnt about balancing work in 6d. violet balance is an important and valid factor in every density existence. its important to keep a minimum balance so that the entity can go forward with its existence. basically there is a limit to imbalance, even though every deviation from stillness, oneness, is an imbalance and distortion.

ie basically, if the violet balance goes WAY too imbalanced, the entity may go mad, become terminally sick, delirious, ineffectual, clueless, witless, senseless -> anything goes.

but the work of balance as a main target it seems, is the work of 6d. and i personally dont care if it took a billion years, or a trillion years. i am in the opinion that everything should take their due time, and not 'catalyzed' with anything, artificially. (veils this that).

What do mean, "that should be an approach on its own?" I can't follow you there.

its the thing about the polarities, at the first quote block in this post.

[Tywanderer]

The posts provided thus far, in this particular forum, produced by: Pablisimo, unity100, CircleofOne, Questioner, Peregrinus & Namaste - have been of great service. The exchange of words used by each mind/body/spirit complex, have provided a general overview for a newly reorientating 'Wanderer' as myself, whom has been utilizing the green ray for educational purposes and preparation of eventual transition over to fourth density resonance. This of course, in no way negates the importance of review and applications of all 'Ra' Material, however, by reviewing these few posts, in this particular forum, the exchange of words here, have become a reminder and template of realization, regarding the importance of properly utilizing green ray resonance, and for the restoration and rediscovery of instructions, as to the primary objectives for a 'Wanderer', to bring forth a more positive attitude and motivation towards STO orientations, and to help ensure optimal integrations, whenever it may be necessary to interact with other mind/body/spirit complexes in some manner. Keeping all 'Ra' Material to heart, as each 'Wanderer' negotiates the patterning of their current incarnation, here in the 3rd-d, is good integration. This is the type and mode of information, of which I have sought online, for the past 19 linear 3rd-d years, since my last contact, via channelings of Metatron, Enoch, & Melchizedek. We must continue to use these communiques, as a sort of online 'Wanderer Outreach' program. Ultimately, this forum can act as a sort of 'catalyst', whereby, the intent of sharing 'Ra' material in this fashion, will demonstrate to 'seekers of Truth', or 'unawakened earthers' alike, neutral methods, as to how 'Wanderers' may effectively communicate with one another, notwithstanding prejudice or judgement - thereby, allowing the effectiveness and flow of polarizations to ensue.
Fellow 'Wanderers'! - Thank you so very much for sharing!
*Love, Light, Laughter, & Oneness*

[Quantum]

The posts provided thus far, in this particular forum, produced by: Pablisimo, unity100, CircleofOne, Questioner, Peregrinus & Namaste - have been of great service. The exchange of words used by each mind/body/spirit complex, have provided a general overview for a newly reorientating 'Wanderer' as myself, whom has been utilizing the green ray for educational purposes and preparation of eventual transition over to fourth density resonance. This of course, in no way negates the importance of review and applications of all 'Ra' Material, however, by reviewing these few posts, in this particular forum, the exchange of words here, have become a reminder and template of realization, regarding the importance of properly utilizing green ray resonance, and for the restoration and rediscovery of instructions, as to the primary objectives for a 'Wanderer', to bring forth a more positive attitude and motivation towards STO orientations, and to help ensure optimal integrations, whenever it may be necessary to interact with other mind/body/spirit complexes in some manner.
*Love, Light, Laughter, & Oneness*

Very well said Tywanderer. While we're at it, I would likewise add my many thanks to each and every single participant of B4th, from βαθμιαίος for his outstanding contributions, of which I hope every single member is well aware of, to 3D Sunset for his always thought provoking posts, responses and focus, to Lavazza for his wit, humor, good spirited exchanges, and comedic relief which careens and ricochets as quickly to his depth, to Ali Qudair for his many truths, and experiences, to Steve and Gary without question for having created our site and opportunity for exchange, as much as to Monica for her tireless efforts, time and energies put forth unrelentingly to keep the pace, peace, and productivity marching ever forward for all, as well as not only the names mentioned herein by me and above by you, but all the other far too many members to note which thus far consists of 1,775 participants, and counting, and no doubt to the many more untold lurkers and guests who come not only to participate vicariously, but come to add to the energies by simply coming.

So that we do not derail the extremely interesting responses provided in this thread, as seen below by peregrine to unity, let us return.....


Much Love and Light...and salutes and honor to all,

~ Q ~

[Sacred Fool]

With all due respect, u., I don't think you have this quite in focus.
There are not and have never been three polarities. Essentially, those wishing to attain sufficient spiritual mass to travel upon path of returning to the unity of all may use one of two approaches. STS & STO have revealed themselves as the most relatively efficient means of using catalyst to that end. Somewhere around mid-6D these may be unified into a single approach which uses catalyst most efficiently. This, again, is a unified approach, NOT a third polarity.

thats a serious question. i dont have a clear cut answer to this. and this is why im discussing it.

we are told to have 2 polarities. and, we are told that at early 6th, these two polarities combine. and, ra says that as entities of late 6th d, they are continuing their work, unpolarized, without having polarity.

then we have polarity definitions. there is the service to self, which ignores and uses everything other than self, for self, and there is service to other, which ignores self and sacrifices it for the betterment of others.

now. if, polarities combine in early 6d, and there is not a 3rd, middle road polarity, then do the service to self go to service to other path ? we are told as such.

then how does Ra seek without polarity ... neither being for law of light, or law of love, but for love of one.

that is an important question that needs to be discussed deeply.

Okay, other self u., I think maybe we're now staring in the face of your blind spot.

There is a fourth aspect here which you're not accounting for that might explain a lot about my comments that you play like someone who's not in the game.

The fourth aspect is the sinkhole of indifference. My observation is that when you talk about not needing to polarize, you're talking about being indifferent. The fact that you *talk* about all these high flying matters means what? As I read the Ra material, it means nothing: it signifies indifference if there is an absence of polarization.

What determines your efficient use of catalyst in this incarnation is NOT the measure of your indifference (avoidance of polarization), rather, it is the degree to which the vibration of your being more closely resembles that of the Creatrix and this is accomplished through polarization and, as you point out, balancing. So, to refuse to engage in the game and choose to increase polarity you're choosing to be indifferent to the opportunity...which is just fine, but you shouldn't confuse that with stepping forth into the Land of Uncertainly and attempting to more fully serve the Creatrix.

ie basically, if the violet balance goes WAY too imbalanced, the entity may go mad, become terminally sick, delirious, ineffectual, clueless, witless, senseless -> anything goes.

I think you're just making this up. If it were true, then STS polarization would be impossible.

According to Ra the spectral emanation in the violet center is a summation of work done in the other centers. If an imbalance is indicated, it lies somewhere else, not in the indicator.

but the work of balance as a main target it seems, is the work of 6d. and i personally dont care if it took a billion years, or a trillion years. i am in the opinion that everything should take their due time, and not 'catalyzed' with anything, artificially. (veils this that).

Well, then, we should all relax and enjoy a nice cigar together, eh?

[Etude in B Minor]

I always interpreted the lack of emphasis on polarization in 6D by Ra to mean that there is no longer effort to increase the polarization. It does not necessarily mean that the polarization has disappeared. The positive path was mentioned as "that which is" and the negative path as "that which is not". When the negative path-goers enter 6D they move from the negative path to the positive path. This requires a change in their polarization from negative to positive, presumably to move their focus from "that which is not" to "that which is". In higher 6D and 7D and up, every entity is focused on "that which is" and is therefore positively polarized. After this the concept of polarization is not important. But when 6D wanderers move into 3D, they are faced with entities and circumstances which have to do with "that which is not". So there is a possibility for their focus to shift, while in 3D, away from "that which is", maybe a little bit, maybe a lot. In the case of the 4D+ Venusian wanderers who shifted to the dark side, maybe they got interested in some stuff which distracted them.

[CircleofOne]

I like the way you illustrate it Etude. Maybe the analogy of a beam of light broken through a prism can be applied again here. In the lower densities, you see all the colors, or in this case paths of polarity. And they are simply that: paths. As you get higher up towards the prism, the colors are moving closer together until it becomes apparent that there was only one path after all. It's not negative or positive, it's just the path that is. Maybe not exactly right, but seems to fit as an example?

[unity100]

Okay, other self u., I think maybe we're now staring in the face of your blind spot.

There is a fourth aspect here which you're not accounting for that might explain a lot about my comments that you play like someone who's not in the game.

The fourth aspect is the sinkhole of indifference. My observation is that when you talk about not needing to polarize, you're talking about being indifferent. The fact that you *talk* about all these high flying matters means what? As I read the Ra material, it means nothing: it signifies indifference if there is an absence of polarization.

What determines your efficient use of catalyst in this incarnation is NOT the measure of your indifference (avoidance of polarization), rather, it is the degree to which the vibration of your being more closely resembles that of the Creatrix and this is accomplished through polarization and, as you point out, balancing. So, to refuse to engage in the game and choose to increase polarity you're choosing to be indifferent to the opportunity...which is just fine, but you shouldn't confuse that with stepping forth into the Land of Uncertainly and attempting to more fully serve the Creatrix.

i cant even understand how you bring indifference as relevant to these.

ra is not polarized. are they indifferent ?

I think you're just making this up. If it were true, then STS polarization would be impossible.

According to Ra the spectral emanation in the violet center is a summation of work done in the other centers. If an imbalance is indicated, it lies somewhere else, not in the indicator.

how did you deduce that ?

if violet BALANCE goes too imbalanced, negative polarization would be impossible indeed.

there is a violet balance for negative polarization too. it involves overemphasis of 2, 3d energy centers, and a lack of 4d green ray.

if, the entity goes way too imbalanced, ie, has too overemphasised orange ray as opposed to much weaker red and yellow rays, then yes, that entity would probably not be able to qualify for 3d negative harvest.

and as a sidenote, we know that strength of red ray is also taken into consideration for negative 4d harvest.

Well, then, we should all relax and enjoy a nice cigar together, eh?

well not quite. since, apparently, at least this local logos thinks that things should be catalyzed.

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I always interpreted the lack of emphasis on polarization in 6D by Ra to mean that there is no longer effort to increase the polarization. It does not necessarily mean that the polarization has disappeared. The positive path was mentioned as "that which is" and the negative path as "that which is not". When the negative path-goers enter 6D they move from the negative path to the positive path. This requires a change in their polarization from negative to positive, presumably to move their focus from "that which is not" to "that which is". In higher 6D and 7D and up, every entity is focused on "that which is" and is therefore positively polarized. After this the concept of polarization is not important. But when 6D wanderers move into 3D, they are faced with entities and circumstances which have to do with "that which is not". So there is a possibility for their focus to shift, while in 3D, away from "that which is", maybe a little bit, maybe a lot. In the case of the 4D+ Venusian wanderers who shifted to the dark side, maybe they got interested in some stuff which distracted them.

but they clearly say they are without polarity. they are not saying they are not increasing their polarity.

[Sacred Fool]

i cant even understand how you bring indifference as relevant to these.

ra is not polarized. are they indifferent ?

Let's not confuse you & Ra. Ra is all about service to the Creatrix. They emphasize this when they announce their presence, when they sign off and constantly in between. You never mention service and you avoid polarization. Thus, you are indifferent and they are not, no?

What is your concept of how you are *actively* serving the Creatrix?

Do you recognize the centrality of the desire to serve and the follow-through to the desire?

[unity100]

Let's not confuse you & Ra. Ra is all about service to the Creatrix. They emphasize this when they announce their presence, when they sign off and constantly in between. You never mention service and you avoid polarization. Thus, you are indifferent and they are not, no?

What is your concept of how you are *actively* serving the Creatrix?

Do you recognize the centrality of the desire to serve and the follow-through to the desire?

do you recognize that, you are equating polarity with 'service to the creatrix', and then say that Ra is 'polarized' in that regard, because they say so ?

that means, you are redefining polarity, and then attributing it to the situation. if you go that way, anything is possible. just redefine, attribute.

ra defines polarity in a certain way. then, they say that they are without polarity. if, after that point, they say that they are at the service of that 'one creatrix' you mention, that means that there is no relevance in between that service, and polarity.

[Sacred Fool]

Sorry, other self, but you're going off into the weeds.

Ra says they seek now without polarity. What is it that are they seeking?

They seeking the same thing we seek with polarity. What is that?

[unity100]

and what does that have to do with polarity ?

you equated service with positive polarity. you take Ra as serving. yet, they say that they are seeking without polarity.

even if what they are seeking is mushrooms in the dark, they are still seeking without polarity, according to what they are saying.

so, if you see Ra as serving, that means serving can happen without polarity.

[Sacred Fool]

Yes, it can happen w/o polarity in the context of 6D. We agree on that.

What are they seeking?

Whom do you serve? How? With what intensity? To what end?

[unity100]

so now, we are over the polarity question then ?

[Sacred Fool]

so now, we are over the polarity question then ?

How can you ask that question without answering my queries?

Obviously, we're not over it yet.

[unity100]

i dont think this is going anywhere.