the ultimate act of compassion - Japan

[BlatzAdict]

no monica lets clear the air here once and for all
both him and unity 100 like to act like know it alls
like some kind of superior beings. ill talk to anybody they
arent interested in talk they want to debate and show everybody
just how superior they are. as i said zen is a coward
and if unity 100 wants to join this lets go. now u got my
west indian blood boiling lets have it out and clear the air on this
board. what are we about . is it to show how smart we are and how
superior we are to one anothe is that what it is about
because that is the message i have got from both of them.

YEA U GO GIRL...

i'm not even done reading all of this thread yet to reply... but i totally wanted to say that to this.. yea u go girl.. i'm shakin my hips
cause u gotta read my lipss

u go girl... lol shake ur thang.

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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/for...ead=200051

i also read this..
Posted by Benjamin Fulford
March 21, 2011

The United States occupation forces in Japan are staging a major strategic defeat because they know the Japanese defense establishment knows it was elements of the U.S. military that set off the March 11th tsunami attack against Japan. This attack used nuclear weapons drilled into the seabed by submarines and not HAARP according to senior Pentagon Sources. In addition, four months ago they overruled Japanese authorities and placed deadly plutonium into the number 3 reactor at Fukushima, according to the governor of Fukushima prefecture. This was to provide a nuclear cover story for the
seabed atomic attack, pentagon sources say. Needless to say, the
ring-leaders of this attack are now in hiding and know they will be found.

[main text of Fulford's by-subscription article removed by Zapper]

i don't in any way shape or form endorse that the above is true.. but if it was i wouldn't be surprised at how far these guys want to go
I also know Asia has been threatening to stop lending money to the US because of afghanistan/iraq/iran/and now libya... and whatever other countries wanna get gangbanged by NATO forces.

[Meerie]

none of us can say what christ would do in any situation. ..... if they were humble he didnt seem to have a problem with them, if they were arrogant he let them have it in no uncertain terms.
so the dividing line with him seemed to be humility and arrogance. that seems to be a pretty good place to start for me as to determining my personal reaction to people
norral

Yes I have a hard time imagining Jesus telling a bully what a lovely being of light he is, too.
With some people, you just better put them in their place. No need to accept obnoxious behavior from other selves.
I was harrassed by a guy who worked in the same building as I (I found out he harrassed other females too). The superiors being notorious cowards, were not interested in helping me (now that might sound familiar to some bring4th members, hehehe)
So I decided to take matters in my own hands.
The goddess was with me, the next day I see this guy. I let the lion inside myself take over and ran up to him, made sure no one was in hearing distance, grabbed his collar and said, in a low voice and as menacingly as I could: "if I were you I would pray we never ever meet alone, in the dark. Because if that happens, I will kick your ass. And If I got my knife with me, I will cut your cojones off. And you better be respectful towards females from now on".
The guy winced and ran as if the devil was after him, lol.
Needless to say I was left in peace after that.

[Monica]

Yes I have a hard time imagining Jesus telling a bully what a lovely being of light he is, too.

I don't. I can imagine that quite readily. And that is what would have healed those people.

I let the lion inside myself take over and ran up to him, made sure no one was in hearing distance, grabbed his collar and said, in a low voice and as menacingly as I could: "if I were you I would pray we never ever meet alone, in the dark. Because if that happens, I will kick your a$$. And If I got my knife with me, I will cut your cojones off. And you better be respectful towards females from now on".
The guy winced and ran as if the devil was after him, lol.

Wow. That is totally not the response I was expecting.

I was expecting something more like, "Jesus, being nearly 100% STO, would have radiated Light/Love so beautifully that anyone interacting with him would have become aware of their Divine nature and peace would have prevailed."

Something like that...

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none of us can say what christ would do in any situation. there was the situation with mary magdalene where he said if they dont condemn u neither do i go and sin no more. yet with the scribes and pharisees he was very harsh. the dividing line with christ to me seemed to be the humility of the people he was talking to. if they were humble he didnt seem to have a problem with them, if they were arrogant he let them have it in no uncertain terms.
so the dividing line with him seemed to be humility and arrogance. that seems to be a pretty good place to start for me as to determining my personal reaction to people

Jesus also forgave the people who killed him, and said to love your enemies, and to forgive 70 times 7.

He was harsh to the scribes and pharisees because of their self-righteousness.

(If the Biblical account is to be trusted.)

We also know from Ra that Jesus was nearly 100% STO, as the model of perfect love. Not sure if the Biblical account is even accurate, but enough remains to get an idea of his nature.

All of this is speculation, of course. My point was missed.

[BlatzAdict]

umm i read something today that says our aversion to STS.... or siding with sto for that matter... fuels duality.. from the perspective of the ego.

i don't know.. this video has got me thinking today..

http://www.vimeo.com/20337999

a lot of this thinking really struck me as someone stumbling on to the Law of One. and yet.. the message in this video isn't to not polarize, but not to polarize in such a way that fuels duality.

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i think jesus.. when confronted with a bully did feel negative emotions, i don't think he was dumb.. but i think he chose to view those negative interactions constructively and hence radiating sto love.

just because we follow the sto path doesn't mean we aren't prone to feeling negative emotions does it? it seems to me as if it's how we decide to handle them after that really shows whether or not something is catalyzed and digested, rather than having catalyst and then running away?

we're here to beat duality after all.. and duality is the game of seperateness.. i understand to follow the path of sto is to follow the path of self after all. since we need to serve ourselves in a way that heals ourselves from the inside out, in order to look at those around as lovingly, so then we go the path of integration and connectedness... even with people we don't necessarily or readily agree with?

someone said something earlier that we aren't complete or perfect separated.. so then we should stay together? sure Ra was vague about how a well balanced person would react in the face of catalyst... in love. but love is subjective.
there are many different ways people ehh show that appreciation... many different loves as infinite as it is.

anyway there's my little rant. hope it wasn't too long.

[Meerie]

Yes I have a hard time imagining Jesus telling a bully what a lovely being of light he is, too.

I don't. I can imagine that quite readily. And that is what would have healed those people.

Next time you meet a bully try and see if it works
In some cases it might help, I agree.
But in that situation I did not see another way out. And I am still glad I did it, also symbolically for all the women who have ever suffered abuse and bullying from their fathers, husbands, brothers and boyfriends. Just reversing the coin and turn from victim to agressor was totally liberating for me. Doing things the other way round.
But of course you are totally free to disagree with me. Besides I think I am totally offtopic here anyway, so I will leave you now in the love and the light of the one loving creator.

[Ankh]

I am not sure if I am derailing the thread, but I think that this topic is very important.

In magical workings there seem to be two sides of how to protect the self from "evil". One side said that we should transform "evil" into good, that is love. The other side said - and how are you supposed to do that as there are people who don't understand love? That love actually gives them fuel to continue doing what they are doing and encourage them to go on? So for the sake of the victims, "evil" should be returned to "evil", its source. Of course this was applied into making amulettes, talismans and imagos, and how to charge these shields. But if we take these two ways of thinking and apply them in the situation at Meerie's work where this male is abusing (or was abusing) females? I don't think that it is a simple situation that we can dismiss with "if we show him love he will stop". I think that this situation should be put in more light and it can learn us a deeper understanding if we just stop here for a moment.

How shall we meet other selves who abuse, bully or hurt other selves? Yes, everyone is the Creator. We agree on that. Yes, if we see a rape we definitely try to do everything in our power to stop it. And if we see a child who is being bullied, we try to "save" that child. But what about these bullies, like that one at Meerie's job? How shall we address this perticular issue, or all situations of that kind? As a female/male at Meerie's job - what should one do? I don't think that it is that simple. And I definitely would not want to say that Meerie did anything wrong here. She stood up for herself and other females, and it was courageous! Most of us wouldn't do anything at all, due the fear. And may the one without a sin throw the first stone. We are afraid, so we remain silent, and look the other way. But she did not!

[Meerie]

The other side said - and how are you supposed to do that as there are people who don't understand love? That love actually gives them fuel to continue doing what they are doing and encourage them to go on? So for the sake of the victims, "evil" should be returned to "evil", its source.

Thank you dear sister. The above quote is very important imo. I was also thinking of Appeasement policy yesterday. It has not worked in the 1940s and it does not work today, when faced with certain people. Are the policitians who enabled Hitler also partly responsible for what happened during the 3rd Reich? If all the other nations had vehemently opposed Hitler, maybe he would have withdrawn and the Holocaust would not have happened that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement
I think one has to make an assessment re the situation and the people involved. In some cases, when confronted with love, an "evil" entity will indeed recede and maybe even heal.
In other situations they will use the love as fuel for their own dark deeds. Very insightful, thank you Ankh.

[3DMonkey]

Monica. Help. I'm disturbed by this.

?? What do you find disturbing?

I was being serious. Unity100 made a joke. Jesus was a Wanderer who exemplified near-100% green ray love. So I really was wondering what would Jesus do in that situation?

Does that clear it up for you?

No, unity's. It went over my head. I get yours.

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Yes I have a hard time imagining Jesus telling a bully what a lovely being of light he is, too.

I don't. I can imagine that quite readily. And that is what would have healed those people.

Next time you meet a bully try and see if it works
In some cases it might help, I agree.
But in that situation I did not see another way out. And I am still glad I did it, also symbolically for all the women who have ever suffered abuse and bullying from their fathers, husbands, brothers and boyfriends. Just reversing the coin and turn from victim to agressor was totally liberating for me. Doing things the other way round.
But of course you are totally free to disagree with me. Besides I think I am totally offtopic here anyway, so I will leave you now in the love and the light of the one loving creator.

Hmmm, let me look at your choice in an accepting way. An agressor saw in you a victim which reflected his own internal victimization. He enjoyed seeing the victim in you because it caused him to feel empowered over his internal victim. You then took an opportunity to show him a different reflection. The reflection of yourself as victim you saw in him, you didn't like. You reflected that he better be even tougher if he wanted to make you a victim. He didn't see his own internal victim anymore, he saw a man that should stand up and confidently announce his intentions. Apparently, he wasn't willing to be as brave as you. What do you think?
I think the test of STO or STS would happen after that. Are you able to accept him after that or do you want to control his actions from here on out?

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sidenote: Jesus' ultimate act was accepting the others that took his life. He did it to show love. I think he also did it by a 4D powow group consensus. Premeditated perhaps. I think, just before it, he met with a couple of 4D/5D family members at the "transfiguration". He knew what was going to happen but he was nervous about handling it. They said, "look, you are 4D/5D, you've almost made it, we'll show you (transfiguration). Don't flip now Jesus, or else you'll get stuck in karma. Forgive them all and you will graduate to 5D. "

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To be fair Meerie, you wanted to see a stronger you in the situation. (oddly, your subconscious was able to see through the facade and realize he was a victim). The strength you wanted to see could have taken many forms. You could've chosen from a few methods to exhibit strength. To be fair for anyone reading and getting ideas for themselves.

[norral]

i think we have all had to deal with bullys at some point in life.
when we moved into a new neighborhood years ago and my boys were
7 and 8 some teenagers decided they were going to bully them. when i told them that if they did it again i was going to smack them silly they stopped.
it is the only language that bullys understand imo. self righteousness imo is a form of arrogance. bottom line i guess in the interactions here is do u like the people u are interacting with. if u do before u post anything u will consider your words. and again were communicating on the internet . it is not a real life conversation. and again we reach an impasse as there is a basic difference in points of view. but at least now i understand the points of view of some others are really and truly different than mine. that doesnt bother me at all my best friend is a buddhist lol and we were just talking yesterday about the may 21 date for the return of christ that so many were talking about . i told him and he agreed that when people say the return of christ what they are really talking about is the establishment on earth of the kingdom of heaven. and i said it is really and energy that people want they could really care less if christ came back and brought peace on earth or if it was lee iacocoa who came back and brought peace on earth. would christians be dissapointed if buddha came back and established a kingdom of peace and ended all war and all suffering . i guess some would be but not this one i would love it. what i personally am looking for is the energy of love in human interactions and the placement of our priorities on the welfare of people and not the ridiculous accumulation of wealth where some have billions of dollars and others have none. and when i say i am a christian i mean i follow most of the teachings of christ. i disagree with some of the stuff i see written down that was said by christ. and if i met christ personally and he didnt like me i would have no use for him. if it was an effort for him to interact with me and he was condescending to me it would be the end of my relationship with him. and i truly like people . i like people at work i like people in my family i just like people i see a lot of good in most people much more good than anything else. it is just that society encourages us to be competitive with one another that pits us against one another. it seems we have this feeling that we have to outdo each other and sadly in the course of doing that we put others down. i dont have to outdo anybody . because i like people and i am sensitive to their needs i am careful of how i communicate. i dont make fun of or belittle others as their pain is painful to me. i really and truly hope that all on this board find happiness as i can see good in all here. if u disagree with me fine no problem just please express it gently.

anyway everybody have a great day
norral

[3DMonkey]

How shall we meet other selves who abuse, bully or hurt other selves? Yes, everyone is the Creator. We agree on that. Yes, if we see a rape we definitely try to do everything in our power to stop it. And if we see a child who is being bullied, we try to "save" that child. But what about these bullies, like that one at Meerie's job? How shall we address this perticular issue, or all situations of that kind? As a female/male at Meerie's job - what should one do? I don't think that it is that simple. And I definitely would not want to say that Meerie did anything wrong here. She stood up for herself and other females, and it was courageous! Most of us wouldn't do anything at all, due the fear. And may the one without a sin throw the first stone. We are afraid, so we remain silent, and look the other way. But she did not!

Very good. Here is the kicker- what are we afraid of? We must assess our fears. Are we afraid to walk away from our job? Probably. Are we afraid to say "hey! Listen everyone! Jack is being inappropriate to me!". Are we afraid to "do it backwards" And ask Jack to lunch? I bet that suggestion pushed a button. It should. But if we proceed with acceptance, we proceed with faith, and we accept the hurt for it is productive to life's long term goal- joining eternity. This "crazy" acceptance is what STO is all about. (don't think I'm arrogant. This acceptance is why I think I'll be staying in 3D, but it is the way to STO as I see it)

[Confused]

How shall we meet other selves who abuse, bully or hurt other selves?

If power can be employed to resist evil and serve good, then it must be done in 3D, I guess. Please sample the following from the LOO -

25.9 Questioner: Would an entity of this density be more effective for this work than an entity of density five or six?

Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is the only density besides your own which, lacking the wisdom to refrain from battle, sees the necessity of the battle. Thus it is necessary that fourth-density social memory complexes be used.

In planes above earth, there are apparently battles raging between the forces of the Confederation and the Orion. Why do the positive higher forces go into battle? Why do not they completely stop? If there is wisdom in battle in finer metaphysical levels, then on corporeal earth, blatant crimes will have to be resisted. There is no two way about it. That is why I referred to the story of Jesus whipping the money changers, if the Biblical account is to be believed.

I think the problem is that we are stuck with the image of how a loving universe should work. The energies of the One Infinite Creator, create as well as destroy. It builds and tears down. Ra says the following as part of 80.22 -

We have discussed the possibilities of contact with intelligent energy, for this energy is the energy of the Logos, and thus it is the energy which heals, builds, removes, destroys, and transforms all other-selves as well as the self.

As Ra often mentioned, each and every circumstance is extremely unique. Ra says as part of 42.19 -

This does not apply to the activation of any one energy center for each entity is unique and each relationship with self and other-self doubly unique.

As entities under the veil and without time/space access to our subconscious, we can only pray for the greater powers of goodness that overshadow us, to guide us into appropriate actions that serves the greater light in each and every situation. Of course, those of the negative (consciously or subconsciously) will do the opposite. And those who are new to 3D in terms of not having made the choice, the world will appear terribly chaotic and confusing.

We are fortunate that we have the LOO as a framework to analyze and find our place in the world.

[Ankh]

No, unity's. It went over my head. I get yours.

Read the post #94 and then you jump to the post #97. Maybe it will still your disturbance?

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...033&page=5

[3DMonkey]

Chalm is a simpsons character? I didn't know. Way over my head.

[turtledude23]

Chalm is a simpsons character? I didn't know. Way over my head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield...t_Chalmers

[Monica]

Next time you meet a bully try and see if it works
In some cases it might help, I agree.
But in that situation I did not see another way out. And I am still glad I did it, also symbolically for all the women who have ever suffered abuse and bullying from their fathers, husbands, brothers and boyfriends. Just reversing the coin and turn from victim to agressor was totally liberating for me. Doing things the other way round.
But of course you are totally free to disagree with me.

Meerie, to clarify, I'm not judging your action in any way. You posted that in response to my question what would Jesus do? and you spoke of Jesus being harsh, and then provided an example of harshness being appropriate in your own life.

I don't claim to be able to transform bullies with warm fuzzies. My point is that I consider that an ideal to aspire to, exemplified by masters such as Jesus.

Apparently, we have different perceptions of beings such as Jesus and how they might respond to such situations. When I posted my question, I thought it might provide some common ground, because I assumed that we all pretty much agreed on masters such as Jesus. I was mistaken.

I think of Jesus as an exemplar of 4D love, and responding to discord by radiating, thus transforming the situation into peace. Lacking wisdom, according to Ra, but certainly an ideal of 4D love. That is my view of Jesus (not the religious version) and I was wrong to assume that everyone shared my view.

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How shall we meet other selves who abuse, bully or hurt other selves? Yes, everyone is the Creator. We agree on that. Yes, if we see a rape we definitely try to do everything in our power to stop it.

Of course! Stopping the bully doesn't mean you have to stoop to his level and repay in kind.

Loving the bully doesn't mean you let him continue his abuse.

Stop the bully while simultaneously loving him.

Is this paradoxical? Sure.

Ra stated in session #1 that they came to teach us about the resolution of paradox.

[transiten]

Yes!

Welcome to Paradox as opposed to Paradise...

transiten

[Ankh]

Loving the bully doesn't mean you let him continue his abuse.

Stop the bully while simultaneously loving him.

And Meerie maybe just loved that guy, but still told him that if he didn't stop she would cut off his cojones if he continues to harass the women at her work.

[3DMonkey]

Loving the bully doesn't mean you let him continue his abuse.

Stop the bully while simultaneously loving him.

And Meerie maybe just loved that guy, but still told him that if he didn't stop she would cut off his cojones if he continues to harass the women at her work.

I agree. This is what I meant by assessment after the fact. Do you accept the person or do you want to force his hand further now that power heirarchy is established.

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a thought on the 25.9 quote: it made me picture the polarity issue is inside the entity in 3D and in 4D, it is between collective conscious entities. Like what plays out within ourselves in 3D is similar to what plays out between collectives in 4D. Shrug. "?"

[Meerie]

And Meerie maybe just loved that guy, but still told him that if he didn't stop she would cut off his cojones if he continues to harass the women at her work.

You know what... really I cannot hate this guy. I even think we agreed to perform this situation, pre-incarnation. I am thankful he gave me the opportunity to enact that little drama with him. Sometimes during our interaction I even had the impression that what happend was scripted before. It was like performing a scene from a movie and me playing female lead
I am sure he is one of my buddies and I am looking forward to seeing him again on the other side, when we will laugh together at the little play we enacted on 3D Earth.
I sometimes wonder, since the universe is benevolent and people are our friends and everything will work out fine in the end... what if the only reason bullies bully.... is to finally make us stand up and find strength in ourselves? So that they are actually helping us in adressing this issue? (gosh that almost sounds like they are STO...)
A bully will choose people whom he percieves to be weak, who do not have self-confidence or believe in themselves. He will harass and provoke and tease until finally the victim chooses to do something about the situation. How that something looks like will be different, each one has to chose for himself.
It's all part of the little comedies and dramas we choose to play here on Earth.

[Ankh]

So that they are actually helping us in adressing this issue? (gosh that almost sounds like they are STO...)

I think that I heard that from someplace else too. Anyway, that is the explanation I have for myself and it personal if one wants to believe that or not. But I think of STS being STO. They do provide service to others, just in funny ways.

A bully will choose people whom he percieves to be weak, who do not have self-confidence or believe in themselves. He will harass and provoke and tease until finally the victim chooses to do something about the situation. How that something looks like will be different, each one has to chose for himself.

Probably another thing being in this duality, you know weak/strong thing.

[Confused]

But I think of STS being STO.

That is a revolutionary and courageous statement, Ankh. Appreciate your forthright thoughts.

[Ankh]

But I think of STS being STO.

That is a revolutionary and courageous statement, Ankh. Appreciate your forthright thoughts.

Don't get me wrong here. What I meant is that they do provide "service" to others, like us in 3D for instance. But there is a difference in that service and service provided by STO entities.

[Confused]

Don't get me wrong here.

No, I did not get you wrong there. I understood what you meant. But it is something only a very few will say with such forthrightness, in a forum dedicated to love.

[Ankh]

Don't get me wrong here.

No, I did not get you wrong there. I understood what you meant. But it is something only a very few will say with such forthrightness, in a forum dedicated to love.

Sorry. It might be a provocative thought. I am just trying to find ways of love.

[Confused]

Sorry.

For what, Ankh? You are so sweet

[Ankh]

Sorry.

For what, Ankh? You are so sweet

I've been into these discussions before where I claimed that even STS acts of love and might have offended some people. It is not my intention to do that, it's just my honest opinion. I am trying to see all as love (and/or light).

[Confused]

I've been into these discussions before where I claimed that even STS acts of love and might have offended some people.

Technically, you cannot be accused of articulating something wrong. Extracted from 7.17 -

To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

[norral]

http://enenews.com/radiation-counter-max...hima-video

this is the latest i see on japan

[Ankh]

Technically, you cannot be accused of articulating something wrong. Extracted from 7.17 -

To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

Is not serve oneself is to serve all? Are you not all thing? Are not everyone come from the same place as you or I? Just a thought... And it might be provocative...

[unity100]

Technically, you cannot be accused of articulating something wrong. Extracted from 7.17 -

To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

Is not serve oneself is to serve all? Are you not all thing? Are not everyone come from the same place as you or I? Just a thought... And it might be provocative...

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#23