Masturbation

[Aureus]

I subscribe to the theory that; because of the body needing to replenish the sexual fluid, some potential energy(red) is lost due to the repair process. The drop in energy level is not instant though, it'll happen some 7 hours post-ejaculation. Also, depending on the energy level of the individual the drop will be more or less significant. It is sound to refrain from ejaculating when you're feeling less virile than average(or you'll have even less energy, since red acts as an amplifier/multiplier)

However, I've also found than simply having an erection greatly improves the flow of energy in my legs(Is probably true for the ladies' equivalent too).. So by "edging" for a longer period of time it may be possible to even out the ratio of energy lost vs. gained(perhaps even make a gain).

[Aaron]

For me, it's the desire to experience genuine bonding with another. It's that post-orgasm bonding and unification that occurs as the energy sweeps through the green ray and above. There is a sacred space that is created... going to that sacred space where the Creator can be known/felt, with another, is what I want to experience.

Without a partner, it can be difficult for me to connect with the "correct" influxes of energy during the act. And by that I mean being positively polarized enough to connect personally with a positive entity or group.

Perhaps what is really driving me forward is the desire to experience unity, unity with the creation, the Creator, and with my soul group.

I do believe that this energy, if mismanaged, can create and strengthen unhealthy bonds with negative entities or thought-forms which seek to feed off one's energy. At my current stage, I'm learning how to replace these bonds with healthier, more positive ones.

[Jeremy]

I subscribe to the theory that; because of the body needing to replenish the sexual fluid, some potential energy(red) is lost due to the repair process. The drop in energy level is not instant though, it'll happen some 7 hours post-ejaculation. Also, depending on the energy level of the individual the drop will be more or less significant. It is sound to refrain from ejaculating when you're feeling less virile than average(or you'll have even less energy, since red acts as an amplifier/multiplier)

However, I've also found than simply having an erection greatly improves the flow of energy in my legs(Is probably true for the ladies' equivalent too).. So by "edging" for a longer period of time it may be possible to even out the ratio of energy lost vs. gained(perhaps even make a gain).

Are you speaking in terms of only self pleasure or all sexual interaction?

As a side note, haven't had the need for self pleasure lately woohoo!! LOL

[Aureus]

Are you speaking in terms of only self pleasure or all sexual interaction?

Both. Although the female won't really lose anything from self pleasuring (that I'm aware of).

[outerheaven]

I do believe that this energy, if mismanaged, can create and strengthen unhealthy bonds with negative entities or thought-forms which seek to feed off one's energy. At my current stage, I'm learning how to replace these bonds with healthier, more positive ones.

Bump for an earlier thread that I missed, but is now timely in my life!

This is an interesting taking Aaron, and one I'm inclined to agree with from my own experiences. (I also agree heartily with the sentiment others have posted that we are here to experience, so I'm not about to set any rules or conditions for anyone else!)

I have had a routine averaging somewhere around once daily for years. Lately, I began to notice that while I still had the desire/impulse, I was definitely running through the motions and it was not an enjoyable or beneficial experience. I had always told myself that I had to do it, because if I didn't, I would be too sensitive and sex with my partner would not be enjoyable for either of us.

It also felt a bit strange that after all the inner-work I'd done in the past couple years, my sexual behaviors had basically stayed the same. Even though, at some level, I felt that our sexual energy and drive is one of the keys to experiencing our spirit -- and contrarily, can even be used against us as a means of enslavement and/or control.

Once I recently took my blinders off and actually *noticed* this problem, I quickly worked to change it. As for my concern noted above, it is not only untrue, but sex has been much, much more enjoyable for both of us!

I'm also now a lot more interested in learning about the energy workings involved in sex, orgasm control, multiple orgasms, etc.

Hindsight shows me that I had a very narrow view of sex in the past: it was basically an end to the means, the inevitable orgasm. A race to the finish. Now it's about truly enjoying the moment and basking in the glow which has totally transformed my idea of what the experience should be.

I definitely recommend considering sex from a different perspective to anyone who hasn't; that said, I know it's hard to reach that point where you have the desire and motivation to change an ingrained behavior. It's not like I didn't know about tantric sex beforehand, after all. Maybe my post will be a catalyst to someone who could benefit from a change in perspective, like I myself could have a couple months ago.

[AnthroHeart]

I wonder how porn affects our polarity. Normal porn doesn't work for me.

[darklight]

frequently ejaculations uses alot of stem cell resources in your body and is NOT healthy. There are plenty of studies showing the contrary, wich is BS in my opinion.

Forcing yourself to not masturbate is, in my opinion, also not healthy, but you can train yourself to control it. The raising of b-lymfocytes and t-lymfocytes, wich is the result of reduced conversion of stem cells to sperm cells, will strengthen your immune system.

Also, reducing masturbating helps you to look better and younger. A good hormonal balance makes you attractive to women .

[Matt1]

I think its fine, but i stopped watching porn as i thought it was buying into negative energy, however using ones imagination is perfectly well imo.

[AnthroHeart]

I really only look at cartoony porn of anthros which is not taking advantage of anyone. But I may reduce masturbation if it will help me achieve nirvana.

[Fastidious Emanations]

orange ray is movement of self towards understandings of self in context of the 'other self'

That is to say;

The desire is not to masturbate.
The desire is to experience the self in the context of the other self.. right?
Blockage of energy flow?

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and usable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

...The quickest way to learn is to deal with other-selves. This is a much greater catalyst than dealing with the self. Dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors. Thus, the self cannot see the fruits of its beingness. Thus, each may aid each by reflection. This is also a primary reason for the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call the physical complex.

And honestly I am playing poorly at this game so far lol 

[darklight]

I really only look at cartoony porn of anthros which is not taking advantage of anyone. But I may reduce masturbation if it will help me achieve nirvana.

My favorite is Betty Boop.

[darklight]

Also, masturbation is literally service to self.

[AnthroHeart]

Also, masturbation is literally service to self.

Ahh I can't stop.

[Minyatur]

Also, masturbation is literally service to self.

Wouldn't pleasing yourself be STO since you're not imposing on anyone

[Ethernysana]

Some links to consider:

http://www.taocontrol.com/pages/injaculation.php
http://authentictantra.com/tantra-blog/s...your-life/
http://deviward.me/2012/04/14/5-surprisi...retention/

Some books to consider:

http://api.ning.com/files/N8uvX3yHUYWMaK...Energy.pdf
http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_M...QPJwAACAAJ
http://api.ning.com/files/1pYGM2xUDQmqZa...akChia.pdf

Some esoteric/spiritual teachers who hint about the seed or semen and the importance of retaining it:

Sevan Bomar
Santos Bonacci

Read about the history about the importance of virgin blood(period):

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblia...a.htm#Part 1

My insight:

Male energy and ejaculation is different than a Female's. Males lose physical/mental/spiritual energy each time that one ejaculates if one does not know the correct breathing techniques or visualization techniques to circulate that orange ray or transmute that orange ray into higher rays. While on the other hand, a females window of opportunity for transmutation/transformation is during their period.

[AnthroHeart]

What about the thoughts we have during masturbation. They can get really kinky for me, and certainly not stuff I would want to do when I'm not aroused. I wonder if thinking about those things when engaging in such an energetic action will cause them to be attracted to me via law of attraction.

[Jamie35]

Masturbation is a mechanism of service to self and not a very easily controllable one either, as it could lead to psychosis, desire, want, and wishful thinking.  It is identification with a desire so if you wish to be of service to others then you must attempt to STOP TO IDENTIFY. Why does this problem exist.  Obviously there must be a karmic lesson to be learned here, so are you lonely? Isolated? Not satisfied with your current lover?  Are you early in your 3rd density incarnation cycle?   Are you really doing it to yourself or do you have an attachment of another spirit that causes this?  No I am not joking you may have a unseen spirit lover or a manipulator.  Why do you have this mechanism?  What causes it and how stop the chaos?

[earth_spirit]

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[anagogy]

What about the thoughts we have during masturbation. They can get really kinky for me, and certainly not stuff I would want to do when I'm not aroused. I wonder if thinking about those things when engaging in such an energetic action will cause them to be attracted to me via law of attraction.

Usually events that are manifested via the law of attraction are due to the "air time" of the vibrations activated.  Usually after the desire is sated, the attraction stops until the desire arises again.  In other words, many things we think about are being attracted or "magnetized" for short bouts of time but never become consistent, full fledged, parts of our reality because the vibrations are not sustained.  This is also why people often fail when attracting things they want because it is not the type of thing where you can say a few affirmations and its going to show up at your front door.  The vibration you are trying to activate has to become "on" all the time.  Sort of like a habit.  Belief is a good example of a vibration you have become so accustomed to activating to the point where you do it unconsciously and automatically thereby defining and shaping your reality.

For example if you activate vibrations of wealth for a day, and then the next day you drop back down into, "oh god I'm so poor", you undo the work you did the day before.  Faith is grown gradually.

[AnthroHeart]

So is there nothing that cannot be manifested with enough work?

Say if you tap into intelligent infinity.

[anagogy]

So is there nothing that cannot be manifested with enough work?

Say if you tap into intelligent infinity.

If we are the creator, then I can't imagine why anything wouldn't be possible. In terms of limitations I think there is certainly greater challenges in some cases than others. I look at this reality as similar to a clay sculpture. It is relatively easy to make small refinements on the sculpture. But to make a completely new sculpture is better accomplished with a completely new lump of clay so to speak -- i.e. approached from the non incarnate perspective. Or another way of saying it would be: it is easier to redirect a small stream than a mighty river that is already flowing. The momentum gives it a greater ability to resist modification. So I suppose it all depends what your aims are, and how hard you want to work. With enough motivation even a mighty river can be adjusted. It just requires more influence is all.

[AnthroHeart]

Also, you have to hold the precise thought of what it is you want for hours on end. I've tried that, but usually I forget within a couple of weeks.

[Stranger]

If we are the creator, then I can't imagine why anything wouldn't be possible.  [...]  With enough motivation even a mighty river can be adjusted.  It just requires more influence is all.

This certainly sounds plausible, but I'd like to add a few points.

1) Our access to intelligent infinity is tightly controlled until we have the wisdom to use its power responsibly and not muck things up, which we human spiritual infants are amazing at (just look at our planet - do we really want unlimited creative power at our disposal? Also known as, "you don't give a toddler a nuke").

2) This is the more important point: we are here to learn to process catalyst through Love and Acceptance. I've often wondered why the idea of "manifesting" simply felt wrong to me - the reason is that manifesting can run directly counter to love and acceptance - it can be a form of not loving and not accepting What Is. If we're using it as a form of escape from conditions we haven't loved and accepted, then we are working against our own highest good and our soul's goals. That simple.

So ultimately, I would say, to make the best and proper use of the experience/opportunity with which life supplies us, any "manifesting" work should be first preceded by the complete and unconditional acceptance of What Is.

But then, if we do that, we begin getting what we want/need anyway, automatically - perhaps because we have learned the lessons inherent in the catalyst by accepting it with love, and we can move on to more subtle refinements of our love with lighter lessons. God gives us exactly what we need, whatever's in our hearts is already a loud prayer and request - there is no need to work at it.

[Also perhaps we want to split this discussion into its own thread, since not everyone will be looking at a topic entitled "Masturbation"]

[TsaktuO]

now masturbating (playing w/ ur self) and the orgasm (the female orgasm is not needed, the male orgasm is needed for the reproducing/c0-creating) are totally different things.

lets not confuse the two.

here this should bring it to better light..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jRUBzyFzbU

the act of playing w/ ur self and not having the orgasm.. will def help n return if u have previous understanding of the power of storing this energy for spiritual development is very key : D

dont take my word for it...

[TsaktuO]

Some links to consider:

http://www.taocontrol.com/pages/injaculation.php
http://authentictantra.com/tantra-blog/s...your-life/
http://deviward.me/2012/04/14/5-surprisi...retention/

Some books to consider:

http://api.ning.com/files/N8uvX3yHUYWMaK...Energy.pdf
http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_M...QPJwAACAAJ
http://api.ning.com/files/1pYGM2xUDQmqZa...akChia.pdf

Some esoteric/spiritual teachers who hint about the seed or semen and the importance of retaining it:

Sevan Bomar
Santos Bonacci

Read about the history about the importance of virgin blood(period):

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblia...a.htm#Part 1

My insight:

Male energy and ejaculation is different than a Female's. Males lose physical/mental/spiritual energy each time that one ejaculates if one does not know the correct breathing techniques or visualization techniques to circulate that orange ray or transmute that orange ray into higher rays. While on the other hand, a females window of opportunity for transmutation/transformation is during their period.

Def. on the right track here.

Keep n mind that once we experience the orgasm we now can experience lust and other negative desires.. for before that we had no further KNOWLEDGE. heh hence: the tree of knowledge.

[AnthroHeart]

Carla touches on the subject of sexual activity and the impact it has on the second Ray a bit in her most recent book. From what I gather between the Law of One teachings, and others I have received over the years, is that making love to one's self or another can be very beneficial both holistically and spiritually, as long as it is done with love and compassion and the respect of all involved. In other words, if I feel I must watch someone being dominated, or be dominated in order to get off, or think of acts which demean myself or others, that is not what I perceive can beneficial from a service to others perspective. I would also consider a sexual addiction (where my sexual activity adversely affected my life in some way), to also be a detriment.

Other wise, party on Garth!

I am turned on by thinking masochistic thoughts toward furry characters. But not overly painful ones. Just being dominated by them.

[Glow]

The more you meditate the less you want it. I'm happy being celibate with the occasional alone-time. Part of me feels "broken" for having no sex drive anymore, but the greater part of me feels liberated.

Why though? there is nothing inherently unspiritual about sex. It's context.
I much prefer a partner but my husband is lower drive than me.
No shame it's a gift when shared, and a gift to yourself when alone.

Also if you've tried seeing your partner/other self as the creator during sex,
it can make things very very hot, but I've found one can also see the self as the creator when alone.
Pretty inspiring

[AnthroHeart]

I like being driven wild.