Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Peregrinus]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

[Confused]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

Something interesting might happen around that period?

[zenmaster]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

Something interesting might happen around that period?

Could it really be that important. Look at the track record. Then again, if we missed it, we're not in the 'know'

[Confused]

Could it really be that important. Look at the track record. Then again, if we missed it, we're not in the 'know'

Yup, most of what is momentous does not seem to be so while it is happening. But when you look back, we can sense the impact. Like for example, when the renaissance or the industrial revolution was happening in Europe, the 'lay' people living at the epicenter at that time would have felt nothing in terms of the importance of what was happening all around.

But after a few years or when the following generations arrive, they can see that the period completely transformed the world. What usually captures our interest now is mega-events like cataclysmic natural events of gigantic scale, spectacular geopolitical incidents, etc.

[unity100]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

Something interesting might happen around that period?

Could it really be that important. Look at the track record. Then again, if we missed it, we're not in the 'know'

just because you dont see a direct effect in you life like the 9 march japan quake, does not mean nothing is happening.

this is basically a situation in between earth and the sun. and its foremost effect is felt in the earthquakes that result from the discrepancy in between frequencies of green spectrum and earth's current societal vibration.

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

had you been following it, you would see that interactions in between sun and earth lead to increase in quakes.

and mayan calendar tracks state and activities of the sun.

it is inevitable that there would be a link in between the two.

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it is also because most of these happenings are not news to american oriented international distribution channels or english speaking internet, that most of actual stuff that affect people's lives directly does not make it into news.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/

for example, 2 volcanos are on alert status in guatemala. did you know that ? probably not.

just follow the goings on from a site like this.

[Raman]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

Nice to see you back Peregrinus, I missed you! It seems you recovered well from that back surgery.

Anyway, it is interesting to observe that the Mayan calendar fits very well with the info that Ra gave about another 6d group visiting South america in the past.. and sharing information and or teaching/learning...it is very congruent with the material.

[unity100]

http://www.sensability.nl/nl/part/The%20...202011.pdf

i have found a pdf that describes the days of the last wave (9th - now).

[zenmaster]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

Something interesting might happen around that period?

Could it really be that important. Look at the track record. Then again, if we missed it, we're not in the 'know'

just because you dont see a direct effect in you life like the 9 march japan quake, does not mean nothing is happening.

And just because you happen to want to correlate two things doesn't mean there is an actual cause-effect relationship, of course.

this is basically a situation in between earth and the sun. and its foremost effect is felt in the earthquakes that result from the discrepancy in between frequencies of green spectrum and earth's current societal vibration.

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

had you been following it, you would see that interactions in between sun and earth lead to increase in quakes.

and mayan calendar tracks state and activities of the sun.

it is inevitable that there would be a link in between the two.

You can 'link' anything you want. Like a face of the devil in smoke from 9/11. The only thing 'inevitable' is that, given enough time, one of your time-based predictions will match close enough for you to retroactively claim 'see'. Remarkable how something that is placed on the indefinite 'inevitable' list, while also being plausible, will eventually come to pass. Then we get to say 'see'.
Example: 'disclosure is happening now'. See, there is disclosure. No, there it is. Oh wait. 'Well, I'll know it when I see it'.

it is also because most of these happenings are not news to american oriented international distribution channels or english speaking internet, that most of actual stuff that affect people's lives directly does not make it into news.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/

for example, 2 volcanos are on alert status in guatemala. did you know that ? probably not.

Did not know that, but not surprising. I know there are many active volcanoes in the region, and have stayed there (Antigua, Guatemala City, Tikal) and explored a volcano on motorcycle (Agua not Fuego).

just follow the goings on from a site like this.

Quite seriously, why?

[3DMonkey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungurahua#...c_activity

Recent volcanic activity
In 1999, after a long period of quiescence, the volcano entered an eruptive phase that continues to this day (as of March 2011). The renewed activity in October 1999 produced major ashfall and led to the temporary evacuation of more than 25,000 inhabitants from Baños and the surrounding area (El Comercio 1999). Activity continued at a medium level until May 2006, when activity increased dramatically, culminating in violent eruptions on 14 July 2006 and 16 August 2006. The 16 August 2006 eruption has been the most violent since activity commenced in 1999. This eruption was accompanied by a 10 km high ash plume which spread over an area of 740 by 180 km (IG-EPN 2006, [4]), depositing ash and tephra to the southwest of the volcano. Several pyroclastic flows were generated that killed seven people, and destroyed a number of hamlets and roads on the eastern and northwestern slopes of the volcano (El Comercio 2006). The seven people who died were a family of five and two scientists.
A further eruption and evacuation occurred on 4 December 2010. Ecuador's National Agency of Risk Control issued a "red alert", later downgraded to orange.[3] The Ecuadorean Institute for Geophysics reported a rapid increase in seismic activity, a number of explosions and an ash cloud reaching 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) in height.[4]

[Raman]

You can 'link' anything you want. Like a face of the devil in smoke from 9/11.

etc,etc...

That is true, however, you need to apply possibilities and probabilities...not to say that when one reaches the archetypes of potentiator and significator of spirit things become "a little more complicated"...

...then "common sense" orange/yellow ray views are not so straight forward anymore and yellow ray science is just well, yellow ray "science" (a truly oxymoron) since it is based on maintaining a particular societal structure on orange ray (since it does not allow green ray views/pursuits).

EDIT: obviously i'm referring to current planetary conditions.

[zenmaster]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungurahua#...c_activity

Recent volcanic activity
In 1999, after a long period of quiescence, the volcano entered an eruptive phase that continues to this day (as of March 2011). The renewed activity in October 1999 produced major ashfall and led to the temporary evacuation of more than 25,000 inhabitants from Baños and the surrounding area (El Comercio 1999). Activity continued at a medium level until May 2006, when activity increased dramatically, culminating in violent eruptions on 14 July 2006 and 16 August 2006. The 16 August 2006 eruption has been the most violent since activity commenced in 1999. This eruption was accompanied by a 10 km high ash plume which spread over an area of 740 by 180 km (IG-EPN 2006, [4]), depositing ash and tephra to the southwest of the volcano. Several pyroclastic flows were generated that killed seven people, and destroyed a number of hamlets and roads on the eastern and northwestern slopes of the volcano (El Comercio 2006). The seven people who died were a family of five and two scientists.
A further eruption and evacuation occurred on 4 December 2010. Ecuador's National Agency of Risk Control issued a "red alert", later downgraded to orange.[3] The Ecuadorean Institute for Geophysics reported a rapid increase in seismic activity, a number of explosions and an ash cloud reaching 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) in height.[4]

This is precisely what I mean. We point out 'yellow' alerts, because they merely match our expectations. Then that becomes the correlation, and causation. It's ridiculous science.

Very similar to what someone's idea of 'disclosure' might be, combined with what would be pointed out to be evidence of such. The self-gratification involved is almost embarrassing. Meanwhile, 'tell us another bedtime story of how it will be, Bob Dean.

[unity100]

And just because you happen to want to correlate two things doesn't mean there is an actual cause-effect relationship, of course.

i dont need to correlate anything. we were told that the earthquakes were a result of the heat generated due to incompatibility in between vibrations of green ray, and the thought patterns of the current society.

if the earthquakes are increasing, there has to be one of the two reasons :

- green vibration is increasing, but the societal vibrations and thought patterns are staying same or regressing
- green vibration is staying same and thought patterns are regressing

second is not an option, because we are told that the coming of the vibrations are like 'tickings of a clock'.

You can 'link' anything you want. Like a face of the devil in smoke from 9/11. The only thing 'inevitable' is that, given enough time, one of your time-based predictions will match close enough for you to retroactively claim 'see'. Remarkable how something that is placed on the indefinite 'inevitable' list, while also being plausible, will eventually come to pass. Then we get to say 'see'.
Example: 'disclosure is happening now'. See, there is disclosure. No, there it is. Oh wait. 'Well, I'll know it when I see it'.

just like how you linked up the desire to disclosure, and my conclusion from what we are told in Ra material in the above post ....

we are TOLD that vibrations are increasing like a clock, and the quakes are happening as a result of the heat generated. that doesnt need 'wanting' to see it.

Quite seriously, why?

so that, due to your extreme dislike of various peoples' "wanting to" phenomenon, you wont approach matters illogically, totally forgetting/ignoring the very material you are supposedly talking about ?

[Peregrinus]

Point to note: Next bitfurcation point is 2011 Jul 16, 06:39:04 UT

Nice to see you back Peregrinus, I missed you! It seems you recovered well from that back surgery.

Anyway, it is interesting to observe that the Mayan calendar fits very well with the info that Ra gave about another 6d group visiting South america in the past.. and sharing information and or teaching/learning...it is very congruent with the material.

Actually brother, it was front surgery but nonetheless, yes I have recovered, and I kindly thank you for your warm welcome back*. I pray each day as well for a speedy recovery for Carla, though it appears she has had a more difficult experience.

To answer the one question posed by Confused, bitfurcation points are, or can be associated with what might appear at the 3D conscious level to be a doubling or speeding up of time, though I think that is a general perception (not having enough time in the day!) that will be felt. As I become more tuned with 4D vibration, I have come to the understanding which comes from a greater understanding of the unity of all things, that not only is there the past, present, and future, but they are all one time, and my ability to coexist in all simultaneously is increasing.

Yes Raman, the group Ra spoke of were the Pleiadians, who were successful in having the entire Mayan civilization graduate prior to end cycle. This is, of course, why they disappeared. You may feel free to disregard dark "expert" scientific or other shot in the dark explanations if you so desire

*Another reason I had not returned sooner was because I was sensitive to, and felt a certain increase in negativity on the B4 . I have since become much more full of light and have come not only to accept the darkness, but to accept it as part of myself, and to balance it so that it is no longer detrimental to my mind/body . I now find humor in the darkness that lurks here and presents such obviously weak and ridiculous arguments... and simply choose to not engage in conversation with such.

in humble service,
peregrinus

[unity100]

Yes Raman, the group Ra spoke of were the Pleiadians, who were successful in having the entire Mayan civilization graduate prior to end cycle. This is, of course, why they disappeared. You may feel free to disregard dark "expert" scientific or other shot in the dark explanations if you so desire

that cant be correct. if anyone had got harvested before harvest, ra would have noted that. when they talked about the harvests from earth, they have only named harvestees at the end of second cycle, and negative harvestees in this cycle who harvested themselves. no other harvested entity was named or talked about.

[Confused]

Yes Raman, the group Ra spoke of were the Pleiadians, who were successful in having the entire Mayan civilization graduate prior to end cycle. This is, of course, why they disappeared. You may feel free to disregard dark "expert" scientific or other shot in the dark explanations if you so desire Wink

They disappeared!! That is interesting. Can you please tell more about it? Who were they and where were they based? I would greatly appreciate any information on this.

[Meerie]

The Mayans (South America) were able to ascend as a collective. They simply disappeared off the face of the Earth. Dolores Cannon writes about this.

[Confused]

The Mayans (South America) were able to ascend as a collective. They simply disappeared off the face of the Earth. Dolores Cannon writes about this.

Wow! What else does Cannon say about this? Can you say more? This is very interesting. It is as if they pierced intelligent infinity.

[Meerie]

I will have to check in the book. All I remember that they had progressed to a point spiritually that they were able to ascend and thus they did.

[unity100]

The Mayans (South America) were able to ascend as a collective. They simply disappeared off the face of the Earth. Dolores Cannon writes about this.

and who is the source of dolores cannon. who is dolores cannon herself.

[Confused]

and who is the source of dolores cannon. who is dolores cannon herself.

Let us give Meerie a chance to explain. She might feel discouraged and stop responding if the implication is that what she has been reading has no basis in terms of authentic source.

[Confused]

I will have to check in the book. All I remember that they had progressed to a point spiritually that they were able to ascend and thus they did.

Dear Meerie, thank you for bringing Dolores to my attention. Because you referenced her, I checked her up on the internet and found the following video -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH0L_bff...r_embedded

I found many principles in her talk, which matched so closely and/or overlapped with the LOO. I was truly flabbergasted. Though the anchor tried to get her into transient information, she sort of stuck with philosophical and metaphysical levels. A truly nice watch for me. Thank you for sharing it and hopefully, you can add more so that people who resonate with your thoughts could possibly benefit.

Thank you I look forward to the information on the Mayans, if you can share, from Dolores' work.

[Meerie]

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/08/dolores-c...he-mayans/
Edit: I opened a thread to Dolores Cannon in Olio.

[Confused]

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/08/dolores-c...he-mayans/
Edit: I opened a thread to Dolores Cannon in Olio.

Thanks for the link, Meerie. And thank you for opening a new thread on Dolores. If I have any questions on the video you linked here, I will ask questions there. It will help in discussing Dolores' theses also more intensely, as I believe there could be some value there with respect to LOO.

Thank you

[unity100]

I will have to check in the book. All I remember that they had progressed to a point spiritually that they were able to ascend and thus they did.

Dear Meerie, thank you for bringing Dolores to my attention. Because you referenced her, I checked her up on the internet and found the following video -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH0L_bff...r_embedded

I found many principles in her talk, which matched so closely and/or overlapped with the LOO. I was truly flabbergasted.

some piece of truth happening to be in a bunch of information, does not make that information valid or from a reliable source. the same kind of situation was there in the information moses received, but the source was mixed.

the information we have in Ra material doesnt leave room for this :

harvest cannot happen without harvesters - 'an harvest time, there are harvesters', it is said.

for all negative entities that got harvested, 'harvested itself' term is used. for all positive entities that are harvested, talk of harvest and end of cycles are not only mentioned, but also presence of harvesters are also mentioned. moreover, the entities which are supplying precise vibrations for each ray for this harvest, are told to be coming from the next octave.

if we combine this with the information that 'at harvest time, there are harvesters', we see that who facilitates this harvest, are entities that come from the next octave. aside from that, there are only entities who aid the harvest by standing on sidelines and preventing entities from falling due to anything but the strength of light they are receiving. (for only 4d harvest - it depends on strength of light).

so then it means, harvesters are needed for harvesting positive entities. at least, for a planet which is moving to 3rd density for the first time.

moreover, and maybe more importantly and precisely, ra says approach of 4th density is like tickings of a clock, and, gives a precise time for harvest, in the form of 30 years from 1981. this ends up in 2011. a time period is not given, a duration is not given. it is said that, in effect 'harvest will happen at the year 2011'. this is also reinforced with the description of harvest at the end of 2nd cycle, as in 'entities appeared to the harvested and told them about 4th density'.

in addition, no other entities than the 2nd cycle harvestees, and the entities who later harvested themselves were mentioned to be harvested up to 1981. for all entities that are harvestable, the term 'harvestable' is used, none of them are told to be harvested.

this is an important piece of information. had anyone got harvested, this would have been expressed when asked. if it is not possible to share a piece of information, ra says 'this information must be withheld'. however there is no such information withheld either.

at http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#16
ra says 'a harvest began with entities finding the way to intelligent infinity' in second cycle. but, in the following q/a, they say there was no harvest, because the entities chose to stay.

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all combined, it seems that for 4d harvest, opening the gateway to intelligent infinity is needed, and for that, a certain amount of energy/frequency is needed. even in the case of negative harvests, harvests seem to tend to happen towards end of cycle, while the harvest is approaching. 'entities finding the gateway to intelligent infinity' (towards end of 2nd density) seems to mean that, becoming harvestable and getting harvested, are two separate things. 150 entities were harvestable at the end of 2nd density, yet, there was no harvest.

speaking precisely on topic - if there was an entire group of entities who got harvested in any cycle, ra would have mentioned this while talking about harvested entities.

[Confused]

some piece of truth happening to be in a bunch of information, does not make that information valid or from a reliable source. the same kind of situation was there in the information moses received, but the source was mixed.

Dear unity100, in many ways, your scholarship of the LOO is exemplary and even unmatched from what I have personally seen. But if people need to benefit from that, then it is sort of necessary to be able to post without fear of derision or insinuations of ridicule. If straight off the bat we wish to downplay the assertions and questions of others, then it is difficult to move forward deeper into the territory. I personally benefited from Meerie's reference to Dolores. Spiritual truth is a strange entity, and it can reach out from the most unexpected quarter.

But I greatly appreciate your passionate concern to keep things hinged to the LOO, as I believe it is that material that you trust with great conviction. I share that feeling deeply with you. Sometimes, when you are attacking spiritual/metaphysical distortions (as you see it through the lens of the LOO), it is possible for people to construe it as personal slight, thus taking the entire platform of sharing down with it. These are just my very humble thoughts, unity100. I have personally benefited deeply from your points. Please keep up the good work/service.

[unity100]

some piece of truth happening to be in a bunch of information, does not make that information valid or from a reliable source. the same kind of situation was there in the information moses received, but the source was mixed.

Dear unity100, in many ways, your scholarship of the LOO is exemplary and even unmatched from what I have personally seen. But if people need to benefit from that, then it is sort of necessary to be able to post without fear of derision or insinuations of ridicule. If straight off the bat we wish to downplay the assertions and questions of others, then it is difficult to move forward deeper into the territory. I personally benefited from Meerie's reference to Dolores. Spiritual truth is a strange entity, and it can reach out from the most unexpected quarter.

firstly, those who take objections, criticism, discussion as derision/insinuation/ridicule have no business discussing things in a discussion board, or group, or any place/situation that exchange of ideas are done.

second, there isnt a limit to when you may object/challenge a proposition. especially when any information supporting it, is not given.

in this case, proposition that mayas had ascended was put forth. upon querying, there was no information supporting that was given, but instead a 3rd source was referenced, without any summary, pointer or explanation, but in its place, assertion/reinforcement.

if the situation is at this point, it means that listening to other's point of view before discussing period has already passed -> you cant expect to assert a claim, and then reference a third party source that is of unproven reliability, especially when it requires consuming goodly amount of information from that source, even to see that the source is reliable or not - leave aside the actual information.

especially in a situation where you are discussing things in the light of a certain specific source you trust, and what is told in that source contradicts what is being told by that 3rd party.

so, we are past that point already. there are two options for anyone who is questioning now :

a) go and read immense material from a 3rd party source, to determine the source's reliability, and then proceed to determine the reliability of particular information in question - because the person who had had proposed the information have not given any pointers, arguments, evidence, cause, reason, rationalization.
b ) believe the reliability of the source and/or the information
c) challenge and question the given information, especially under the light that it contradicts the information that is given by a reliable source

in case you noticed, a) is basically impossible, because in that case anyone proposing any piece of information would cause others to spend a lot of time consuming 3rd party sources, without offering any determination or understanding of the reliability of the source beforehand.
b) is basically just belief.
c) is the course that one has to take in the light of a and b.

[Confused]

For Meerie, unity100 and anybody else interested, here is an article that I discovered, which talks about the ascension of the Mayans in the past. I do not know how far authentic it is, but many parts of it rang true and sensible to me --

How The Shift Will Happen - Owen Waters

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And Meerie, it is deep thanks to you that a series of searches lead to this personal find for me. I am grateful to you for that.

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firstly, those who take objections, criticism, discussion as derision/insinuation/ridicule have no business discussing things in a discussion board, or group, or any place/situation that exchange of ideas are done.

You are very right, unity100

[3DMonkey]

The information is the perspective in discussion. The discussion is discussion. We aren't here to discuss exact information. We are here to inform others of ideas to discuss. If the facts are unquestionable, discussion ends. Unless you want to paint the word "it" on a wall, invite someone over, and alternate pointing at the wall, repeating "it', (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it", (point) "it".

I don't care a lick about facts. Personally, I can read between the lines to see what ideas are affecting a person. Really, it's the persons' perspective that is of import, rather than the facts. The person is the Creator. The facts are perceived illusion.

[unity100]

in regard to the shift - in Ra and quo information, no such ascension scenario is ever mentioned. moreover, this kind of 'ascension' thing only appears in christian lore, and nowhere else.

if im mistaken, someone please correct me.

[3DMonkey]

Where does ascension appear in christian lore?