Ascension is your addiction

[Aaron]

Monica, why not simply ask Carla or Jim if either of them have ever heard of Gandalf's Garden, or been involved in it? They've probably never heard of it... I took a peek at the site and apparently it was a little "shop on the corner" cozy type of building right in the middle of London in the UK. It seems like it was a gathering spot for wanderers and the people who owned it published a magazine called Gandalf's Garden. The article that Artura linked (very good article in my opinion by the way :p) is from one of the issues of that magazine. It seems very love based.

http://www.pardoes.info/roanddarroll/GG.html

Gandalf's Garden was a shop down by the World's End in Chelsea, run by a commune of flower-children held together by Muz Murray. It flourished for a while at the high end of the Sixties, but eventually they found Chelsea too constricting and moved out to Norfolk or somewhere

I also didn't find anything speaking of planned suicides or advocating the killing of one's self in order to ascend or anything like that.

As far as the validity of the Ra material, I think that this thread highlights the necessity of serious seeking, and discerning what really is true and trustworthy to you. It's one thing to read the material and believe or not believe in whatever portions strike you. There is actually no agenda in the material itself - it doesn't ask you to believe anything at all. I think this outcome is one of the main reason why Ra only spoke in question/answer format. The material is a tool for those who are ready and willing to work on themselves.

And for me personally, it holds true in the light of the experience I have when I work on myself. It's really and truly verifiable in that way. When I pay attention, I feel that I actually do have energy centers and that they do become blocked in the ways described by Ra. I actually do feel love from positive non-physical beings. I actually do have a guidance system that answers me (wow there's a right ear tone lol), and a higher self that is always with me. (I've actually been put face to face with my higher self during a drug experience, which I posted in this thread. Although I didn't post in enough detail that when I was in that void, it was my higher self in full consciousness that I was facing)

Anyway, my point is that it's verifiable to those who really have the motivation to work on themselves and take the metaphysical and spiritual very seriously.

[anagogy]

I am not here to gain your support, I am here because you are living in a dream. The true awakening is the realization that the future is as the present but death is inescapable for all of us, making all men equal in fates. That is the real reason you are here. Dedicating your fleeting time on earth to the idea that you will ascend in life and be carried away from death is the lowliest of lessons you must master in order to walk the path of truth that will set you free.

Death is just a transition. We die, and are reborn, every single day. The cessation of the physical body is only a big deal to people that don't understand that it is just an illusion. In the truest sense there is no death. We are eternal.

Many of you may think what you are doing is benign and innocent, but you're wrong. The internet is a gateway drug for co-creating an imagined reality for people who are experiencing loss or going through a tough emotional period of their life.

The truth is just simple. The Ra material is a work of art that was doctored by a creative literary genius that was the product of the 1960's and 1970's counterculture.

Wow. Just wow.

There is not a shred of doubt in my mind, the Ra material is the most legitimately real piece of channeled material in public existence at this time. You may as well have just told me the sun is giant firefly. That's how utterly wrong I know you are about this. The spiritual light in that material is so strong, you would have to be completely blind to spirit not to see it for what it is. Or you haven't seriously read through it. I have to agree with Monica. I can't even conceive how someone could actually read through that body of material and actually believe it was a fabrication by con artists. The Ra material has proved its usefulness to me a hundred times over. I can't say your words have had the same effect on me.

The production company was named L/L Productions, which was essentially inspired by a 1968-1972 London underground/hippie movement named Gandalf's Garden. L/L initially chose the medium of film as their "Garden" but the Science Fiction genre was dominated by the debut of Star Wars in 1977. After 1972, when the GG movement disbanded, the members became deeply involved in all aspects of the new age movement. These people were geniuses and artists, not uneducated hippies. They felt that deception was the only answer to infusing happiness into a world that was sobering up at the end of the counterculture movement, which ended with the resignation of a disgraced Richard Nixon in 1974.

Here is the danger that will eventually unfold into a tragedy.

DON: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density
sphere it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we
refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3,92)
RA: This is correct.

In 1985 the death of a woman named Bonnie Nettles set into motion a series of events that caused 38 innocent souls to ignorantly commit suicide in order to achieve ascension into a higher realm. A UFO religion named Heaven's Gate was founded by both Nettles and a man named Marshall Applewhite.

Applewhite believed that he and Nettles were destined for ascension and began co-creating an imaginary belief system that was born from the events of the 1960 counterculture and anti-art movement. Nettles was to be the "sage", as a medium, and Applewhite the "speaker". When Nettles succumbed to death in 1985, Applewhite was left with no choice but to begin challenging the idea of physical ascension, which led him to believe that his departed wife had already ascended through death instead of life.

This one event perpetuated one of the most tragic events of modern human history and is now threatening to repeat itself through means of the Ra material unless it becomes discredited as a work of art, which is its truthful origin.

So let me get this straight.......you are trying to save us from killing ourselves?

[Cyan]

Dont know him, but i'm trying to see what people see in channeling/schisophrenia/joint soul stuff as opposed to doing it the singular (We are all individuals) way. I knwo this is mathmathically much more difficult but i dont know if its worth it (being aware of the spirits). I think it is. But thats probably where i differ with the OP.

That being said, i recognize the suicidality risk associated with all of this material (starting the day and going "huh, i think i'll take something/do something to make me aware that this is just an illusion because its much more fun that way")

But at the core of it is this, do you know of this is real (physical) or unreal (illusionary/Changes depending on what you do)

Because if you dont then it doesnt matter how you start or end the day and what thing you worship, only that you do the service that you want.

Hope that clarifies some confusion here about everyone's opinion about everyone else?

[BlatzAdict]

Blatz, where did you learn that about archons?

is it wierd i heard it and then i just automatically knew they were orion crusaders

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monica artura offered you a service and you took a big bite. hook line and sinker don't you see the depolarizing going on here?

[Cyan]

Archons are not orion crusaders.

Orion crusaders are an aspect of the archons.

[BlatzAdict]

the sts will struggle for power and dominance over the conversation

while the sto will struggle to accept what has been laid bare in the table in front of them.

Below are the events of this chat through my Felix vision.

sts: you have to believe me because i'm right and here is a reason to fear why you should believe me. something about a subversive element to gandalfs garden.

sto: you have every right to feel and think that way, be on your way little one, and i will be on mine.

sts hasn't gained any power polarization = 0
st0 gained acceptenace polarization = +1

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sts: the Law of One is full of crap

monica: no

polarization = -5


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sts: hoo de LOO

aaron: what are you talking about i learned so many things (right ear ring confirmation of spirit)

polarization = +5

i sense an archon, and i sense a deliberate and earnest attempt to depolarize the group but it's not working. i sense love, ego, i sense fear.

[Cyan]

About right, word for word. Funny how it always works.

Also. Archons are kind of a weird construct arent they.

[BlatzAdict]

12.13 Questioner: You mentioned that the Orion crusaders, when they get through the net, give both technical and non-technical information. I think I know what you mean by technical information, but what type of non-technical information do they give? And am I right in assuming that this is done by telepathic contact?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Through telepathy the philosophy of the Law of One with the distortion of service to self is promulgated. In advanced groups there are rituals and exercises given and these have been written down just as the service-to-others oriented entities have written down the promulgated philosophy of their teachers. The philosophy concerns the service of manipulating others that they may experience service towards the other-self, thus through this experience becoming able to appreciate service to self. These entities thus would become oriented towards service to self and in turn manipulate yet others so that they in turn might experience the service towards the other-self.

[Monica]

Monica, why not simply ask Carla or Jim if either of them have ever heard of Gandalf's Garden, or been involved in it?

I can if you like, but that part really doesn't matter to me. Maybe they were. That in itself doesn't mean anything.

The part I had an issue with was this:

The Ra material is a work of art that was doctored by a creative literary genius ... They felt that deception was the only answer to infusing happiness into a world

1. That the Ra Material is a 'work of art' ie. a fabrication, something created and doctored by some human genius, rather than being the painstakingly preserved record of contact with higher beings. In other words, Artura is saying it's all a carefully crafted deception.
2. That L/L Productions (assuming he meant L/L Research - ie. Carla, Jim and Don) intentionally used deception. This is an attack on their integrity.

None of the rest matters. Just those 2 points. We don't need to defend the Law of One or our choice to study it. Artura can challenge it all s/he wants.

But when accusations are made about real people - people that we know and love - that's where we have the honor/responsibility to defend those people from slanderous allegations.

[BlatzAdict]

Monica, why not simply ask Carla or Jim if either of them have ever heard of Gandalf's Garden, or been involved in it?

But when accusations are made about real people - people that we know and love - that's where we have the honor/responsibility to defend those people from slanderous allegations.

that statement reinforces the power struggle between the two of you instead of finding a communion, and finding commonality you are instead raising your proverbial sword instead of taking and accepting the situation as is.

you are accepting the negative, instead of the positive, why? you just spent some energy on this dude who you will never meet, or interact with. but this was to show you that part of yourself this guy represents in you.

by acknowledging it, it is accepting into your personal sphere. it asks you to raise the question in yourself and answer it. waste of energy.

you are forced to review this side of yourself that could possibly think this way. sts suceeded in the depolarization of your energy.

defending ... attacking, protecting, this is a 3d trait. because of the illusion of separation from all of you.
there is no separation means not to say it but to act it.

who cares what this guy is saying about L&L yes they are your friends and yes you know them

you only know them as representations of you, because this is a free will zone, you can never completely know someone else. you only know your idea of them.

if you feel the need to defend them then that is a part of you that has a chink in your armor.

[Monica]

that statement reinforces the power struggle between the two of you instead of finding a communion, and finding commonality you are instead raising your proverbial sword instead of taking and accepting the situation as is.

you are accepting the negative, instead of the positive, why? you just spent some energy on this dude who you will never meet, or interact with. but this was to show you that part of yourself this guy represents in you.

by acknowledging it, it is accepting into your personal sphere. it asks you to raise the question in yourself and answer it. waste of energy.

you are forced to review this side of yourself that could possibly think this way. sts suceeded in the depolarization of your energy.

defending ... attacking, protecting, this is a 3d trait. because of the illusion of separation from all of you.
there is no separation means not to say it but to act it.

who cares what this guy is saying about L&L yes they are your friends and yes you know them

you only know them as representations of you, because this is a free will zone, you can never completely know someone else. you only know your idea of them.

if you feel the need to defend them then that is a part of you that has a chink in your armor.

Thank you for expressing your opinion! I disagree.

[Unbound]

For those who like to know, the individual I mentioned has chosen thus to remain and see what fate has in store for them.

[xise]

two thoughts:

1. Re Ra, Ascension, Suicide: There is one question in the books that directly asks about suicide, and the answer isn't ascension but enormous healing. Only by misinterpreting the information can you conclude that suicide is prompted by Ra.

2. Although I disagree with you assesment of the credibility of the source, I find the work as a philosophical piece extremely informative (I believe L/L Research to be largely credible, I've always cared zero about the credibility of any source from which I read phiolosophy (and the Law of One is most interesting for its philosophical concepts rather than anything else)). Philosophy makes sense to me, or doesn't, independent of the source. If a billion monkeys typing randomly over thousands of years came up with an interesting philosophy by sheer randomness, I would like it based on the information it conveyed, whether or not the monkeys even knew what they were conveying. The monkey example is actually one discussed in classical philosophy as to the nature of knowledge - ie if a thousand monkeys randomly generated shakespeare's play Macbeth (and this in a world that otherwise did not have the play Macbeth), would that make Macbeth any less meaningful? I think the consensus is no, that would not make the knowledge contained in Macbeth any less meaningful. Philosophical knowledge is indepedent of the source.

In the end, you move from your mind to your heart. Your heart doesn't care about credibility, because it can directly recongize philosophical concepts that ring true for your life experiences.

But then again, I find the universe speaks to me everywhere, from randomness, to the kindness of strangers, to being the target of ill intentioned individuals. So truly, I care not about the credibility of the source, for I see meaning everywhere.

And in the end, we are all different, we all have free will, and so it only makes sense that there are many different paths back to the Creator. The one you are on may be different than mine, but ultimately it's the same destination, as long as you want to get there. Time has no meaning there. So see you on the shores of eternity sometime in the future

[Axel]

Mods, you must delete this post before too many people become aware of this dangerous knowledge.

How can knowledge be dangerous?

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This is a truly interesting thread. I appreciate the openness of the moderators who have not deleted it and everyone who contributed here. I believe it is important to keep an open mind and let everyone say what they have to say. So thanks again for allowing this to happen here.

The following is an excerpt from the book "The Lost Teachings of Atlantis - The Children of the Law of One", Chapter 14 (p. 215; www.atlantis.to). I think it has some relevance to this thread. I apologize for its length but I think it is important to read the entire piece.

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Ascended Masters

“Father, even before I came here, I read and heard about ascended teachers, although they are usually called ascended masters, or saints, by most people. Some people think it is better to follow them, or their teachings, because they are higher in consciousness than living teachers. Some even claim they have personal contact with them, and ‘channel’ them. Will you tell me more about this, and perhaps what the ancient teachings say?”

“An ascended master is essentially a true teacher who has left the Earth plane, and gone on to the next plane - a paradise where all who dwell there have achieved the same consciousness of Unselfish Love, Light, and Oneness. Because of their release from the consciousness limitations of the physical plane, they do have greater consciousness. But because of their non-physical state, and their choice to leave this plane and not reincarnate, their greater consciousness has limited applications and usefulness for those of us here on the Earth plane. Thus, they cannot fulfill the duties of, or replace the necessity for, a true teacher. Early on the path, there are legitimate reasons for some of the kind of interest you mentioned in the ascended ones. People often begin their spiritual quests with a search for truth that brings them to many things, including information about ascended masters. There are books about ascended masters with good and inspiring ideas. When I was young, I was thrilled to find some of these books. But they are only books, and can only do so much for you before you must actually do more with your life.”

“Why can’t they be as good as a true teacher in the body?”

“It is good to emulate the example set by the lives of any true teacher, including those who have left this plane. Such ‘masters’ and ‘saints’ have left us a history that can help us in our own journeys. They left their footprints on the path through the roses and thorns. But when people take the concept of ascended masters further, and consider them to be their teachers on this physical plane, and follow what they can only believe to be their teachings, it leaves openings for many problems. In fact, there are serious problems with trying to follow a being that is not in a physical body.”

“But if they may actually have greater consciousness, what could be a problem?”

“Some people also take spiritual advice from disincarnate ‘guides’ [more about that later]. Others have Gurus that they never see, never live in the presence of. These situations are similar to having an ‘ascended’ teacher, in that none of the guiding beings are in your physical presence on the physical plane. And unless you are already enlightened, even truly knowing anything about the realities of someone who is not in physical form (let alone knowing their wishes for your guidance), is not really possible with any amount of true clarity. And true, precise clarity, is a must in such situations as disincarnate guidance, let alone a teacher/student relationship. Following an ascended teacher, or even one who is out of physical contact, leaves many opportunities for self-deception. It is popular though, primarily because it also provides the perfect rationalization for avoiding real spiritual growth”

“How does it do that?”

“Because you can seem to be totally involved in spirituality, but still deceive yourself and not face your real issues, your real blocks to separation with the One.”

“How?”

“Because there is room for ‘self-interpretation’ because they are not before you in the flesh, TELLING you what you need to know with words you, or other witnesses, cannot avoid hearing with your ears, GUIDING you in such a way that you cannot possibly fool yourself about. That’s why ‘following’ a teacher that is not in an Earthly body is much more desirable to the selfish separate self - you don’t have to face up to things you don’t want to, and you can interpret their alleged teachings to suit your self. Just look at the variations of claims made about what the bible says or what Jesus ‘meant’. Or Mohammed ‘meant’. People have burned other people alive, in Jesus’ name - do you think he meant for them to do so?”

“Of course not.”

“And even if you believe you are in communication with an out of body being such as an ascended master, you cannot be certain what you are letting yourself ‘hear’, unless you are already totally free from your selfish separate self. In fact, the separate self would consider that a perfect ‘set up’. You think you are following a spiritual teacher, but the separate self ‘censors’ the ‘teachings’ and remains in control. How could it be otherwise when the separate self controls your subconscious mind, and most everything else in your life and mind?”

“I guess it couldn’t.”

“See, you make my point. ‘You guess’ it couldn’t. When you are actually in the presence of a teacher, ‘in the flesh’, your separate self can’t get away with selfdeceptions. There is no ‘guessing’, no ‘interpretation’, no lack of ‘clarity’. When you are in the physical presence of such a One, the teacher actively penetrates and
exposes your illusions, saying the truths you need to hear right to your face, clarifying it if the self tries to cloud the issue, leaving no room for misinterpretation and leaving you no room for ignoring, or hiding from, the truth. When a teacher is physically before you, they will always clearly tell you when you are not being true to your Inner Being - that cannot be said for an ascended master, guide or a ‘longdistance astral’ master!”

“Then why would someone prefer to follow an ascended master, instead of a living master, other than that it is more desirable to the separate self?”

“Have you not heard what I am saying? There is no valid reason for this. After all, a true teacher is nothing but an ‘ascended master’ that has not left the body yet.

A true teacher has experienced the same ‘next step’ that an ascended master has - death. The death experience is the final step in returning to Oneness with God, and attaining Universal Consciousness, and that is the major transformation that is vital. But after consciously experiencing death, living true teachers have just chosen to return to Earth to help, instead of taking the more pleasurable route of going on to a paradise plane with their enlightened brothers and sisters [see chapter on the “death experience” for detailed explanation].”

Another reason for having a living master instead of presuming to follow a dead one, is the personal attention and personal guidance that you get from a living true teacher. At best, going to channels or following an ascended master for your spiritual growth, would be like learning a complex new skill, like brain surgery, by a book or tape (and that’s even if the information you are getting is true and not from a faker, or a negative disincarnate entity). You can learn knowledge and facts through a book or tape, but to really master a skill, you need “hands on” interactive help from a teacher in the flesh. Having a real teacher in person, in the flesh, at some point in your learning, is invaluable to master a skill - even with minor skills, like golfing, scuba diving, gourmet cooking, etc., let alone something like spiritual enlightenment. The more important the skill, the more vital it is to have a teacher with you showing you the ropes, especially at final stages of learning. An inexperienced mountain climber in their right mind, wouldn’t think of learning to climb Mount Everest with the help of an “ascended” mountain climber. Yet the most difficult and important skill in the world - achieving Oneness with God and learning to become a teacher - they can supposedly totally achieve with only books and spirit guides? No. In order to learn and develop, we need to try applying what we've learned, then we need the criticism and feedback of a good teacher, in order to develop enough to master the skill. And attaining spiritual enlightenment, and breaking free from our programming and the bonds of the selfish separate self, is the greatest learning challenge you will ever have. Attempting it without a real living teacher giving you direct “in your face”, inescapable, totally clear guidance and feedback, is like running around in circles chasing your tail. Or competing in the olympics without ever having a coach. Getting “channeled information” is not much different than reading a spiritual book. It can help and inspire if it is true. But even if the information is actually 100% true, there is no criticism to the selfish separate self, no real feedback, no Unselfish Love to ignite your own, no example of manifesting the Universal Spirit, and no light to pierce the illusions and confusions “the darkness of self” throws up around you. How many times have you heard someone channel another being that was “getting on the channeler’s own case” and telling them they’d better get their act together, and change, or behave selflessly. Probably never. How many times has an ascended master really made anyone see and face all their real blocks that they were totally avoiding? You can’t get away with anything with a real in the flesh true teacher. Even this book you are reading now, might help you, but it can only take you so far.

My Dad’s Better than Your Dad

Zain pointed out some other fascinating issues I hadn’t considered about ascended masters in a later conversation:

“Consider this: while some of the great, so-called ‘ascended masters’ are true teachers that have indeed ‘gone on’, other famous ‘dead’ masters whose books you’ve read, are only assumed to be ‘ascended’. They continue to reincarnate, and are here now, in other bodies with other names. You may not know who they are. Some you know now, but you know not yet who they were. This will come to you in time. You and I have been known by many recognizable names. You are considered an ascended master by some, yet you are here, in a body, right now. You have written many books, and spawned religions. But to some, Peniel, you are not so important as ‘ascended master so and so’ just because you are only my student, and will only be an ‘in the flesh un-ascended master’? But ironically, you are ascended master ‘so and so’.”

“I am?”

“Yes. And people are claiming that they are channeling you right now. Even different lives of yours they are claiming to channel.”

“They are? Who was I?”

“If you need to know it will come to you someday. Don’t go and start getting yourself on an ego trip, you have a big enough one to deal with as it is. You are just cosmic just like the rest of us. You are also one with and part of God, like the rest of us. You are a cog that makes up the great One. Nothing more, nothing less. This is all irrelevant in certain BIG ways. While we place all these name tags on various beings that are all just part of the same One Being, we must always remember - The Inner Being is One with the Universal Spirit, and once someone fully manifests their Inner Being, they are the same great being, before or after ascension.

Are these saintly beings any less great because they have chosen to reincarnate again and further sacrifice themselves for you by suffering the pains of living amidst the darkness on the Earth, instead of leaving the hardships of this world for the paradise that awaits them in the next plane? No. And by the way, are you letting people channel you behind my back?”

“Yeah, right. I’m not broadcasting my soul as far as I know.”

“No. You would know it if you were dead and possessing someone’s body. It’s hard to miss something like that.”

“But I could sure have some fun later.”

“Forget about it.”

To summarize, the Inner Being of a living master, is the same Inner Being as any other master, ascended or not. Sure, there are subtle differences in the personalities and souls of true teachers, but the differences are insignificant, and do not provide a legitimate reason to avoid a living master in favor of an alleged ascended master. And they certainly don’t replace the work that must be done with a living true teacher. Regardless of who has ascended, and who has not - the same Spirit of all the great saints and sages is ONE, eternally alive and manifesting through present day masters, NOW, in the present, always. And it has always been so. The Spirit is ONE. All Inner Beings are part of, and One with, the One Universal Spirit/Being. Don’t confuse the personalities of spiritual teachers with what they really were/are in essence. The personality is just an aspect, or projection of, the particular soul/self/individual that was actually a vehicle for the One Spirit. So they are all really the same, inside, where it counts. This is one reason why there are such similarities and connections between so many of the various spiritual traditions from all parts and times of this planet. This consciousness is within us all, and manifesting that Inner Being is a destiny we were all created to fulfill.

“But Father, what of the hierarchy, do we not get guidance from ascended ones ourselves all the time?”

“The ascended ones should only play a direct guidance role in your life AFTER you have achieved enlightenment. After you have completed your work with a living master (your true teacher), and attained Universal Consciousness, you then follow the guidance of your Inner Voice, and Universal Will. After this attainment, you have a place in the cosmic order, and are connected with ‘the hierarchy’ [the vast order of ascended masters/angelic beings who exist in interconnected ranks between us, and the Source, the One]. You are thus both guided by, and watched over by, the hierarchy. But until then, you are indirectly guided and influenced by the hierarchy. Beware of hearing voices or letting any being possess you to speak. That is not the way of the hierarchy, other than highly exceptional circumstances, and even then, through one of the enlightened teachers of the Law of One, not a student such as you, elder or not.”

“Who is the highest of consciousness in the hierarchy?”

“You already know that!”

“Well... I think so.”

“Don’t think - know! You know!”

“I’m sorry... God?”

“It is all One, certainly. But.... Remind me to give you some history texts to read. God is All. That’s why we call God the Universal Spirit. But that includes the hierarchy, it is not the hierarchy in and of itself. The head of the hierarchy is the entity who first led the second wave to rescue those of the first. Can you remember that now?”

“Yes, of course, I’m sorry, it was, is Jesus.”

“When our order was founded, he was known in that life as grand master Thoth. The life in which he had his greatest impact on the world, other than his first, was his last, known as Jesus. Although he had great effects, and would be known to you by other names from his other lives.”

“Like what?”

“Go fish.”

“What?”

“Learn your history son. There are more than two dozen.”

“Will you tell me just one at least right now?”

“Joseph. Go read the biblical scrolls about Joseph, and see if you can’t sense, can’t feel, inside yourself, that the same Inner Being was the same. Witness the Unselfish Love, the humility, the forgiveness. It is so obvious to the open mind, even if you haven’t read the scrolls detailing his incarnations. You were even related to him in the flesh, more than one time.”

“When was that?! Who?!”

“I have other things I must attend to. And your ego is big enough already.”

How could he leave me cliff hanging like that?? True teachers can be so damn enigmatic sometimes. But what can you do? You can’t live with them, you can’t live on without them.

Stay Tuned to This Channel

Something similar to following ascended masters, is “channeling”, or going to a channeler. For those of you who aren’t familiar with it, channeling is what occurs when a living person allows an “out-of-body”, disincarnate being or spirit guide, to possess the person’s body and mind, and provide information. The channeled information is generally given through speech, although it can be writing. When people channel, their goal is usually to channel higher consciousness disincarnate beings (ascended masters, spirit guides, etc.).

First let me say that truth is truth, wherever you find it. We should listen to wisdom whether it comes from a wise man or a fool. Or a channeler. And it can and does come from all the above. So if the information you have received from a channeler is positive, and true, give the wisdom the respect it deserves. With that in mind, let’s take a broad look at the limitations, and serious problems of channeling. Channeling has become very popular, and I know that some of you reading this won’t want to hear about any problems with it. But the ancient teachings do point out some things that should be carefully considered. For one, when you reach a certain level of growth on your spiritual path, channeling is “outgrown”. And if you have an open mind, the common sense and truth revealed in the ancient teachings will shed new light on the entire field of channeling, allowing you to consider some new facts, and make up your own mind. So please hear me out with an open mind, and then decide. The phenomenon that is called channeling can actually be several very different things:

(1) Someone channeling an actual disincarnate being;
(2) Someone believing they are actually channeling a disincarnate being, but they are actually channeling information from the Inner Being;
(3) Someone believing they are actually channeling a disincarnate being, but they are actually channeling information from their subconscious mind;
(4) Someone totally faking it.

Let’s start by looking at #2 and 3.

Some people really do channel disincarnate beings. Others just think they are channeling a higher consciousness being, but they are actually only accessing their own Inner Being. Now this isn’t necessarily bad, in fact, it can be safer and yield truer information than channeling a disincarnate being.

Here’s how it works. The channeler wants to and believes they are going to channel a disincarnate being, but for some reason this doesn’t really happen - yet they think it does. Instead, what really happens is that they are being protected by their Inner Being, or the hierarchy, and their subconscious creates a guide or ascended master in their mind, in order to realize their desire to access higher information by channeling. But the information is really coming from the Inner Being, and/or their subconscious.

For centuries, hypnotists have known about the incredible power of the mind to create the most elaborate stories and scenarios while in a trance. In fact, while some past life regressions are quite real, others are pure fabrications by the subconscious mind - down to details like the stitching in a suit. In part, this phenomenon works via the power of assumption, or power of belief (see chapter on that subject), linked with a strong desire to please the hypnotist or therapist. You can also see this phenomenon at work in both ways with the use of an oracle, like a pendulum. For instance, when people believe a pendulum will give them answers from a higher source, it might, as long as they really believe it. It will even work for a skeptic, as long as the skeptic’s subconscious mind believes it. In any case, it’s not the pendulum itself that is doing it, it is the user’s belief that the pendulum does it, or is being guided, or gives them access, which actually gives them access. Yet oracles, and the type of channeling we are talking about right now, are in-between mediums - substitutes for being able to more directly, and more purely, get information from the Inner Being OR the subconscious. So, both the oracle user, and this certain type of channeler, use their beliefs in their methods, to access information from inside themselves - information that they don’t believe they have access to otherwise. Therein lies one of the problems. Using the methods can actually reinforce the belief and programming that the individual can’t access the information more directly. And that is a major spiritual limitation to place on yourself. We’ll discuss that more in a moment.

As we have established, the type of channeling we are discussing, can access information from either the subconscious or the Inner Being. But it generally mixes the two. And therein lies another problem. You can get inaccurate information, that you believe is accurate. It can be partly true, but distorted by the subconscious mind’s programming. That’s because subconscious programming (& possible dark outside influences), can filter, distort, and even totally block out the true and accurate information coming from the Inner Being. I have heard good channeled information, but it wasn’t as good or clear as it could be, because of the consciousness of the person, and because of their subconscious programming. But there are times when it’s not just a matter of how good the information is. The subconscious and conscious beliefs of a person using an oracle or channeling, can seriously taint information, and cause a serious mis-guidance. And if serious life decisions are based on such channeled or divined mis-information, a person can make serious mistakes in life, that affect both themselves and others. Zain found me using an oracle one day, and told me the following:

“Using oracles and such is fine at a certain level of consciousness, a certain level of spiritual awareness and evolution. There are protections from on high for the novice who is sincere and has a good heart. A spiritual innocent is watched over by spiritual guardians, just as human adults watch over human children. But just like when a human child gets older, you expect them to be more aware and responsible about life, our hierarchical guardians expect the same of us as spiritual children. Thus, as you spiritually grow, you must become far more discreet and cautious. If you make a mistake at a higher level of consciousness, the consequences are much more serious. And the more aware a person is, the more serious will be the consequences of ignoring the things you are aware of. As you grow, as you become more aware, you are expected to behave differently. Again, using an example of a child, it is one thing to spin around until you’re dizzy, then drive a trike, but it’s another thing for a teenager to get drunk and drive a car. You are a spiritual adolescent right now.”

“Which means what?”

“Oracles are really only 100% dependable in the hands of a true teacher, because a true teacher is clear, and because he will sense if the oracle is being tampered with by dark outside forces. Of course they can give anyone good, accurate, information. But you can never be certain of the accuracy unless you are enlightened. In fact, most oracles were invented by true teachers, for true teachers - they were never intended for those whose separate selves and subconscious programming would confuse the answers.”

“Why would a true teacher use one since they are already enlightened?”

“For a true teacher, an oracle is a quick and easy substantiation of their own Inner Voice - a sort of second opinion/double check system. But for an average person, who is not yet clear, an oracle can be confusing at times - usually when the separate self has something at stake. For instance, many times I have seen a person get such an incredibly clear and specific reading from the I Ching, that most people could not possibly mis-interpret it - yet the person is confused and mis-interprets anyway, because their separate self doesn’t really want the truth to be known. To give a personal example, when I was avoiding finding my true teacher, but allegedly seeking my true teacher, I used the Ching to ask if I should speak to him, and if he was my true teacher. The Ching would come up with something like: “Perseverance Furthers. To see the Great Man brings Good Fortune and Success”, yet I’d read that and say to myself ‘I don’t get it. What does this mean? What should I do?’ I got about fifty readings like that when I was trying to avoid finding my teacher. I kept asking because I was letting my selfish separate self pull the wool over my eyes, and so I figured that at some point the odds alone would make it give me the answer my selfish separate self wanted to hear. But I fooled myself into thinking I would just do it one more time just to be sure. When I was really looking for a way out. I was lucky that it wasn’t being influenced by dark forces, but I guess the environment I was in, and my destiny, sort of protected me against that. Also, the I Ching will stop you at some point, by actually giving you a reading that says that ‘there is no point in giving information to an impertinent fool, and that someone who keeps asking the same question over and over again is an impertinent fool’. Of course, that is a blatant example. But whatever your separate self is making you confused about, will usually not be remedied by information from an oracle or channel.”

Oddly enough, I had done the same thing. I did it before I asked Zain if he would be my teacher. I told Raga about my readings during one of my courses with him.

“I keep asking the Ching about finding a teacher, and I keep getting more confused. It always seemed to help me understand the changes I was going through,
or needed to go through. I’m not even sure it’s working for me anymore.”

He said, “Those who really want to spiritually evolve, should work to change in such a way that they become more directly in touch with pure information from their Inner Being. If they have previously relied on oracles and channeling, they are expected to forego that, in favor of a true teacher and training to manifest their own Inner Being.”

“So how do you make the changes that will allow you to get information more directly from your Inner Being?” I asked impetuously.

“See, you aren’t even hearing me, clarifying it to you in person, let alone your oracle. Again, that’s where a true teacher comes in. A teacher both gives you the keys to changing and manifesting your Inner Being, and keeps reminding you to use the keys when your separate self has steered you off track (which it puts a great effort into). Plus, the teacher is a clear reflection of your own Inner Being. Thus, being in the teacher’s presence helps you get more and more in touch with your Inner Being, both by virtue of being constantly exposed to it and being made aware of the Inner information, and by contrasting the truth and Light of the Inner Being against your separate self’s negative subconscious programming, mind games, deceit, and illusions.” As you know, the story ends well.

As we said earlier, channeling, or going to a channel, reinforces mental programming that your own Inner Being is not “great”, &/or is not directly accessible, and that you cannot change and manifest your own inner being in your life. This holds true whether or not a person is actually channeling a disincarnate being, or just their Inner Being/subconscious. Even if the channeled information is telling you that you are a light worker and can manifest God, the very process of going to, or doing the channeling, is restricting you from doing that, and being that. Thus it actually creates a spiritual limitation. What a marvelous circular trick of the separate self! You can see your tail in front of your nose, you can almost touch it, but you forever chase it and never get it. How does this work? I asked Gabriel one day, as I was using the I Ching in the library.

“You know, in the old days, an oracle was often an actual person. Now they call them mediums or channelers. But whatever you call it, the motivation to channel, or go to a channeler, is the same. And it is self-defeating. It comes from a subconscious and conscious belief, that YOUR own soul, YOUR own Inner Being, is not so great - or at least not as great as the oracle, or the person who is being channeled and listened to. That weakens your own contact with your Inner Being. Your own real contact with God. And every time you do it, that belief is reinforced. It also reinforces the belief that you must get the information from someone or something else - but the process does not do anything to directly change you in a way that will really put you in touch with your own Inner Being, or make the change in which YOU become a vehicle for manifesting YOUR own Inner Being/God, in your life, all the time. This belief, which is being reinforced, thus affects your programming, and keeps you spiritually chasing your tail, and continually limits your spiritual self-perception. You should not place such limitations on your outlook about yourself young son, about your own spiritual greatness, or you will not grow to manifest God. But those limitations are only what you self-impose, only what you believe, and how you act. Regardless of whether or not you have developed, or manifested, your own being, it is still the Great One. The Inner Being is God, is Universal Consciousness, and is thus the highest possible awareness and source of information that can be “channeled”. And remember, all Inner Beings are One. Period. Your Inner Being is every bit the same as the likes of Buddha, St. Germain, etc.. You have no idea yet. But your potential is every bit as Great. The only difference is that the Great Saints and Sages chose to manifest their Inner Being. Did you ever hear of Jesus or St. Germain channeling someone else? Why not? Because they didn’t do it, and likewise, they don’t allow themselves to be channeled [we will explain the reasons for that later]. They chose the traditional path, and learning from living masters, as have you. They chose that instead of channeling information from other beings, or consulting channeled information. Just think about it honestly. And remember, your own soul is better than the many disincarnate lower astral beings that may want to possess a human, and are being channeled. It’s just up to you to manifest your Inner Being.”

Here is another of the chinks in channeling’s armor: have you noticed that channeling other beings, including the “channeling” of “ascended masters”, often seems to bring forth not just the Inner Being, but the INDIVIDUAL SELF, and the PERSONALITY, of the channeled being? So even if it is real, the information is filtered through the being’s personality and self, and then it filters through the self of the channeler, and then finally through the self of the listener, who further filters the information through their own self’s programming. AT BEST then, by the time your self is done with getting the information, it’s highly unlikely to be anything that will directly or truly threaten the selfish separate self - and that is what the spiritual path is all about - the death, surrendering, and rebirth of the separate self as a servant to the Universal Will. That is the key to true change, to becoming what you really are, to manifesting your Inner Being/God. Good “information” and knowledge will not do it for you, regardless of how good that information is. And for the information you really need, why use channeling when you can access untainted information from the highest source, YOUR own Inner Being. YOU are a great soul. Yes, you. Again, channeling doesn’t put you through the changes that having a true teacher does - the kind of changes that will make you ONE with your Inner Being, ONE with the ascended masters, ONE with God.

Some people are under the assumption that some of the great psychics of history were “channelers”. But with extremely rare exception, such psychics, if they were of the light, only channeled their own Inner Being, or Higher Self. And they too, often warned against letting other entities come through you, or misguide you - and of the dangers and damage such possession poses. The greatest of such psychics, were in fact, Children of the Law of One (even some who were not consciously aware of it), and were actually in the service of the One, and the grand master. These psychics used the incredible well spring of their Inner Being, to tap into what is called the “Akashic Records”. Such activity and abilities were all from their own Inner Being, operating under the Oneness and service of Universal Will, not by going to channelers, or channeling disincarnate entities (with very, very rare exceptions necessitated and controlled by the hierarchy).

The person who wants to become a true teacher, and work consciously and directly with spiritual seekers, must also strive to integrate the Inner Being, with the conscious, and subconscious mind, and manifest it in their life, through body and mind. Thus the Inner Being, God, and the self, all consciously and subconsciously correspond. When this finally occurs, there is not conflict, or walls, between, the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, and the Inner Being/Universal Consciousness. Thus there is also harmony between the conscious beliefs, subconscious programming, and Universal Truths.

The ancient teachings of Atlantis, as well as the more modern ones of the Atlantean Children of the Law of One, all warn of the risks associated with possession, which are great indeed. Most people don’t think about channeling this way, but the truth is, channeling is just a nice word for possession, and people need to keep this in mind, and keep in mind the possible perils. In a spiritual and astral sense, possession is like being raped. The being who is channeled comes from the astral realms, and when another being possesses someone else’s body and mind, it damages the host’s astral body, astral defenses, and actually weakens the strength of Will, much in the same way that allowing yourself to be hypnotized weakens the Will (that doesn’t apply to self-hypnosis, or hypnosis by a totally trusted mate or spiritual associate). And every time you do such a thing, you weaken your own will. And you subject yourself to damage - spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically. You get “holes” in your circumvent force and auras - and dark creatures can attach themselves like astral leeches. Again, the fact is that channeling is a very nice euphemism for possession - and no matter what good words come through during a channeling, you don’t know who is really doing the possessing, which means you can’t be sure of the motives behind it and thus you can’t really depend on the information. And it’s one thing to listen to good words, uplifting messages, etc., but honestly, aren’t there plenty of other sources to get such things without possession being involved, and without subsequently taking the unnecessary risks involved? You know there are. But these are strange times, and instead of running to the nearest exorcist when someone is possessed, people often pay money to listen to someone who’s possessed, or try to become possessed themselves. How many people would be as interested in channeling as they are, if it was called what it really is, “possession”, instead of using the euphemism “channeling”? “Hey, we bought tickets to a seminar tonight so we can listen to some disincarnate entity who is possessing the body and mind of a young woman, and learn how to let someone possess us too!” It doesn’t sound quite as nice as going to a “channeling seminar” anymore, don’t you think?

If channeling has had a good place in your life, fine. But it may be time to grow further. Just reading this is placing greater responsibility on you becoming more spiritually mature.

A True teacher knows all this, and instead of channeling, he gets the separate self out of the way, and manifests the Inner Being. And a true teacher is there as a tool for you to develop, access, and manifest YOUR own Inner Being. What could be higher, more pure, and safer than channeling/manifesting your own Inner Being? And it is likely that you who are reading this, should be a true teacher yourself someday. God only knows, there is certainly a need for more, and in the future the need will be even far, far greater. But you won’t become a true teacher by merely listening to spiritual information, good or bad.

Here are some final words from my discussion with Zain about mediums and channeling (possession):

“Now possession would be one thing if the only beings that would possess a body, were high consciousness, saints or the like. But there are many beings dwelling in the lower astral realms, that cannot get a body, and want one badly. And even if they are not using an attractive disguise and lies to get themselves ‘invited in’ to a body by a voluntary medium, they will work on getting through other people - those who have weak astral defenses. Some of these astral realm dwellers are the spirits of disturbed humans who are between lives. Some are insane. Some are mass murderers, torturers and cruel rapist warriors. And these deceitful degenerate entities lie, easily and well, and are happy to make up a good story too. Then there are disincarnate demons also. All the ancient teachings, including those of the Children and their branches, tell us to avoid possession/channeling, and not to possess/be channeled, once ascended or between lives. And if you consider it thoroughly, it’s not hard to figure out that real ascended masters don’t want to be channeled. Think about it. Put yourself in an ascended master’s sandals for a moment.

You have worked hard on Earth, suffered greatly, paid your dues and then some. You have finally earned, and chosen, leaving this painful place, to exist on higher paradisiacal planes. You live and work in new ways on new planes. You know there are other masters on Earth to take care of the needs of the spiritual seekers, and they are as in touch with the Inner Being as you, but they can do a better job for those on Earth, because they are still on Earth in the Flesh. You know you can’t tell anyone on Earth anything that isn’t already there for them to hear, or that they can’t get from a living master. And these living masters are already guided by you and your kin - they can answer any question and give any guidance anyone could possibly need on the Earth. If that was you who had finally decided to go on, would you want to have to go back to the Earth plane into a body and possess someone when there is no need because they are being taken care of already? Why would you? In fact, when you look at it objectively, and you understand all that I just said, wouldn’t an ascended master that just had to throw in their own two cents by possessing someone, be a little bit ‘egoed out’ or ‘off’? Leave them be - ascended masters have chosen to leave the Earth plane, and are working on totally different levels and realms - and they don’t want to deal directly with any beings here anymore, other than their hierarchical linked masters. And they know it is not necessary for them to do so, because they know there are masters on Earth who are in the proper place - the true teachers that have chosen that duty, and have the proper and full ability to deal with those who really want spiritual help and information.”

So if you are channeling or listening to someone who is - think carefully about who or what is really being “channeled” - regardless of who or what they claim to be. Here is an excellent example:

Let’s say you need a heart operation. You need a surgeon. You find a stranger along the side of the road who claims to have been the great and powerful royal surgeon for the court of Cleopatra, and who also claims to have all the knowledge and skills of modern medicine. Would you invite them to open up your body and fix your heart, even though they had no way to prove their claims and you had no way to check their references? Would you even listen to their information on how to do it yourself, or ask them to guide your surgeon? Seriously, would you do such a thing? Of course not. Nor would you even hire someone to work at a convenience store, or rent someone a house so casually. Well, your body is a house of sorts, and your mind builds and directs your life. And when someone “channels”, they are letting some disincarnate stranger, something truly unknown, enter them through the astral realms, access and use/take over their very body and mind to one extent or another - all without even an interview, or checking on references. And when listening to channeled information, considering the truly unknown source, shouldn’t it be listened to cautiously, rather than reverently? Please think seriously about this. I have heard many people talk about channeled information like GOSPEL, simply because it was claimed to have been channeled. They don’t have an ounce of doubt or caution about the information - because it was channeled.

It should be the other way around. Too many people who are cautious enough to not give even a clean-cut hitchhiker a ride in their car, will gladly let some strange astral entity that wants to possess a living human, take a ride in their very body and mind, or listen to the words of a strange astral entity, as if they were from a well-known and respected holy man. Does that really make sense? Not to me. And it shouldn’t to you.

The teachings in this chapter have shone new light on channeling, and revealed serious problems with it. If you have used channeling before and liked it, as many have, your ego will have something at stake here, as does your selfish separate self, and accepting these truths may be a little upsetting. You may even “blow me off” at this point. But so it goes with truth and threats to the self. It had to be said. But please, really think it all over, and re-evaluate your opinions with an open mind. Discovering new truths that allow you to grow more and go further on your path is a good thing. We all must first let go of one shore, in order to cross over to another.

From Mother Sheba:
“Even from the days before Egypt, the teachings of the Atlantean Children of the Law of One regarding channeling have been simple, and clear as the light: only your own Inner Being should be allowed to possess your body and mind. And that means manifesting God. Your Inner Being is the Christ, thus it is ‘Christ Consciousness’, God, the Universal Spirit. It should be integrated and lived, not just trance channeled. Why channel anything else or anybody, when you can be One with and manifest the Universal Spirit itself - your own part of God? What more could you possibly want to channel? What more information could you need to get, than what you can get from the Absolute? What could you possibly want, that you can’t get from the Universal Spirit? What clearer, or better source of information could you have?”

Vishnu, another Adept Initiate, had this to say:
“If a teacher/master/guru or whomever, is legitimate, they are One with and manifesting their Inner Being/Universal Consciousness/God. Thus, True teachers only manifest their own Inner Being (God). In fact, you could say their very essence, their very life, everything about them, IS, in a sense, a constant living ‘channeling’ of God. Thus, they have no desire, or need, to channel anything or anybody else. Think about it for a moment - what would God need to channel? Whereas the channeling of anything or anybody else, must have consciousness limitations - and there could possibly be tainted motives, even if it is a true channeling.”

Infomercial Channels

Finally, channeling can be very profitable, and a great ego-trip. A channeler can be a total fake. Many are. I know some of you think you would know if you were being conned by a channeling con-artist, but it can be very difficult to tell. The fact is, it is a con-artist’s entire job to be totally believable - their job depends on it. That is how they make their living. Believability, and getting someone to trust them is the con man’s only skill. Other than being very in touch with your own Inner Voice, you can easily “buy into” a con. It’s only a bad con job that you can really detect. If people could really tell when they were being conned, there wouldn’t be so many cons around, in so many different forms.

Changing Channels

In summary, channeling anything, or any being other than your own Inner Being, can only be of lesser vibration at best, so why run the risks? Why risk listening to a channeler, or letting these astral entities channel through you, when you can be in touch with your own Inner Being?

Nothing can be pure until the vessel is pure. You, or your channeler would need to be an enlightened being for the channeling to be totally accurate, and if that is the case, you don’t need channeling any more because you already have the information you need! Thus, entities from the higher realms, and those of the hierarchy will not channel through anyone. Ascended masters did not channel other entities when they were alive, and they certainly aren’t going to do it through someone else now that they are gone - they know the realities of such things, and they know that you should follow the same path as they did - they want you to achieve Universal Consciousness yourself by going through the proper “channels” - they know you need an “in the flesh” master/true teacher who can inspire you, break through your selfish separate self’s illusions and blocks, and put you in touch with your own Inner Being, so you can manifest the part of you that is God Consciousness. So, if you are not yet manifesting your own Inner Being, find a true teacher that directly represents your Inner Being, in thought, action, and word, and who can help put you directly in touch with it also.

Why Channeling?

One time I asked Zain about why someone would even do channeling in the first place, considering the better options for getting information. “Channeling, using a channel for spiritual information, or following ascended masters, is far easier than going through the changes that are necessary to achieve true spiritual enlightenment. Yet it allows people to feel like they are doing something spiritually (learning, teaching, making spiritual progress in some way). And this can be true during certain periods if a person’s spiritual path. There may also be some good spiritual information coming out of it, which reinforces this feeling. The separate self is happy to support this activity, and let you feel “spiritual”, as long as you don’t go any further and do something that threatens its power and position. That’s because while you are feeling spiritually “pacified”, you are simultaneously avoiding a real teacher - thus avoiding the “separate illusion busting” and “ego busting” of the separate self that it absolutely needs if you are to gain your own real spiritual consciousness - Universal Consciousness! What an ingenious deception! Thus, it fools many people, and becomes a major diversion, a side-trip trap. But we must live and learn.”

Again, the true reason behind why most people do channeling or follow the ascended masters may not even be what they think it is - to be spiritual or to get real spiritual information. It is part of an elaborate trick of the separate self, designed to keep itself in control of your life, rather than letting your Inner Being get control. Be a true channeler - change, transcend the selfish separate self, and begin to channel your INner Being.

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[Unbound]

Silence speaks.

[Marc]

I need I true teacher. Any suggestions on where to look? Or should I hone my desire to manifest him?

[Unbound]

Silence speaks.

[Parsons]

@the OP, thank you for further tempering the knowledge I have come to starting with reading the LOO. Your first posts contain utter fabrications (the 'death cult' thing is rediculous). Your later posts heavily patronize anyone responding to you. You then are supported by someone who registered quite awhile ago but only has been online for 3 hours and just so happen to read your post out of all the other numerous threads. This second person then posts this quote:

How many times have you heard someone channel another being that was “getting on the channeler’s own case” and telling them they’d better get their act together, and change, or behave selflessly. Probably never.

Doing this to the person who is asking the questions would then not leave a choice in what to believe. So would following an incarnate 'master' who is in an equally fallible 3rd density mind/body/spirit. Giving over power/free will to another is a service to self activity.

Also from what I read of your crazy long post(about half), the dialogue feels like its only one person speaking. ie, cooked dialog. Also, I see a liberal usage of the strawman.

Another general thing which was said (essentially) that you can't know the source of channeling, so you can't trust what is being said. This isn't true at all since the message is what should be emphasized, not the messenger. Negative material can be discerned from positive.

[Plenum]

I need I true teacher. Any suggestions on where to look? Or should I hone my desire to manifest him?

we all want a guru, don't we?

this may comfort:

69.5 Questioner: Why is this trance state, as we call it, different? Why are there not entities available in this particular state?

Ra: I am Ra. The uniqueness of this situation is not the lack of friends, for this, as all entities, has its guides or angelic presences and, due to polarization, teachers and friends also. The unique characteristic of the workings which the social memory complex Ra and your group have begun is the intent to serve others with the highest attempt at near purity which we as comrades may achieve.

these 'teachers, friends, and guides' may be non-physical; but they are most definitely aware of your every thought, and endeavour to support you as best they can, within the limits or boundaries of free will. Just asking or inviting them into your experience can start to demonstrate effects.

if I may be so bold to suggest, also, that the best teacher you will ever have is your dream experiences. After every 16 hours of waking experience, one slumbers down to sleep, shuts down the Magician (conscious mind), and establishes a time-space bridge to the unconscious. There, you have a 'day review', and suggestions, thoughts, and experiences are brought back to the self via dreams. These are coded because symbols are the language of the unconscious, and also, dreams may be entirely disregarded as mere 'brain farts' by those not wishing to pay them any heed (preserving the free will of experience).

but dreams, my friend, will be your best and truest daily guide.

[Aureus]

I need I true teacher. Any suggestions on where to look? Or should I hone my desire to manifest him?

What is it you want to be taught?

[Marc]

I need I true teacher. Any suggestions on where to look? Or should I hone my desire to manifest him?

we all want a guru, don't we?

....
these 'teachers, friends, and guides' may be non-physical; but they are most definitely aware of your every thought, and endeavour to support you as best they can, within the limits or boundaries of free will. Just asking or inviting them into your experience can start to demonstrate effects.

if I may be so bold to suggest, also, that the best teacher you will ever have is your dream experiences. After every 16 hours of waking experience, one slumbers down to sleep, shuts down the Magician (conscious mind), and establishes a time-space bridge to the unconscious. There, you have a 'day review', and suggestions, thoughts, and experiences are brought back to the self via dreams. These are coded because symbols are the language of the unconscious, and also, dreams may be entirely disregarded as mere 'brain farts' by those not wishing to pay them any heed (preserving the free will of experience).

but dreams, my friend, will be your best and truest daily guide.

Just two days ago I had a quantum leap in connection with my higher self/teacher.
And Last night when I dreamt inside my dream I started to analyze the fact that all is dreams. I had a grand revelation of my higher self and every night I am growing in my information from dreams.

I shall heed your advice, dear friend.

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I need I true teacher. Any suggestions on where to look? Or should I hone my desire to manifest him?

What is it you want to be taught?

All things of light. The reason I have this urge for a physical teacher sometimes is that I feel alone in my searching here in the physical.

[Aureus]

All things of light. The reason I have this urge for a physical teacher sometimes is that I feel alone in my searching here in the physical.

Maybe if you weren't so vague and instead asked straight questions you might find the answers you seek.

[Axel]

Another general thing which was said (essentially) that you can't know the source of channeling, so you can't trust what is being said. This isn't true at all since the message is what should be emphasized, not the messenger. Negative material can be discerned from positive.

I personally agree (in part) here. I sometimes feel that we (perhaps I should say "I") tend to believe all that is channeled because we actually place more trust in the messenger than in the message. Just my take on it ;-)

And BTW: what is the difference between trusting an incarnate vs. a disincarnate being? Again, the "trust" should perhaps be placed in the message, not the messenger.

Also: why are only positive materials to be trusted? And who is supposed to be the judge here? Isn't is true that we sometimes turn away from those issues that we "feel" are negative or judge as negative? Don't we then just turn our eyes away from ourselves (our negative parts) rather than bringing those issues to the light? I believe this is where the "true teacher" comes in. Because he/she sees this whereas a disincarnate being can't or their message is far too easy to dismiss as "negative" and thus we miss a chance for improvement.

[Unbound]

Everything is useful, but not every path is the most efficient.

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Not every opportunity is opportune, as I like to say.