Experience of 4D

[AnthroHeart]

I too saw how people are like puppets of the archetypal mind. The mathematical formula you mention resonates perfectly with my experiencing of how people move.

For some reason I feel comfortable sharing my experiences. It means a lot to know there are others with which I can do so.

I remember being so in awe of how perfectly the others follow the mathmathical formula behind the scene. And why that formula is only playing out because I asked to be shown the machinations of creation itself.

IT was like being shown a suspended slide show of pure creation and magic and when it was over we all hugged and departed. I See the people still but the spirits are sort of in the background because I want myself to be. It is beyond difficult to explain because it requires both shattering and re-integrating both space/Time as well as time/space. I've been playing with the idea of having a presentation on this years homecoming and see what happens. Most of what I saw I have no desire to put on the web, even on b4, this I believe is somethign that many can resonate with. Why some confusion is needed.

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Also, I apologize if I seem "know-it-all-ish". It is why i prefer to give short answers in writing.

[Cyan]

What i have noticed in this archtypical thing is that the FIRST THING yous ee is someone acting out every archtype and telling you "THIS IS AN ARCHTYPE" and then you slowly filter it in but its difficult. After a while something strange happens.

You begin to seee that on top of the day to day event conversations, there is a layer of deeper conversations that runs paraller to the first due to references jumping from various auditive sources.

So that it seems that each archtype is firstly shown as a personality and seen as math, but, afterwards what happens is that its revealed that once they are established as math if you let them run through time + imagination it turns into surreal sub and supermind conversations about wha tyou do. A kind of mode of perception where your inner thoughts are reflected int he dialogues of the outer world. And eventualy that branches off into two paraller dialogues that you can close off at will and one becomes the supermind and another the id. When you are "born into" the 4th it seems that you begin to see in actuality the psychological theories work in people around you. IT sort of means tha tyou can, at will, have a conversation with the archtype of the scientist about how to terraform pluto while doing the dishes.

[Gribbons]

Gemini, I read this thread for the first time today when I woke up. A few hours later I went to the grocery store and when I pulled up into a parking spot there were several carts chilling there and one of them began to move backwards into the street. I saw a car was pulling out of a spot and the moving cart would have blocked it or hit it. Your post came to mind at that moment and I calmly walked over and re-directed the moving-cart catalyst.

I LOVE how things are connecting lately! It's all speeding up and the lessons are easier to see, I think. And they're not as scary.. I do believe you're right though.. moving objects seems like a higher-grade of catalyst. Thank you for your insight, Gemini.

Btw, my animal spirit is a wolf. Don't know what kind exactly, I've just always thought of it as a lone wolf.

Have a good one.

[native]

A kind of mode of perception where your inner thoughts are reflected int he dialogues of the outer world.

Yes exactly. You're describing the unity of thought.

"..the complete unity of thought which binds all things."

"You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency."

I went through an experience where I unexpectedly became highly sensitive to this, and the resonance of inner thought and outer experience began pulling me into a perceptual type of reality. I wasn't hallucinating or anything, but my mind functioned as it does in the psychedelic state, albeit at a lower level.

The bad part is that something negative (or was it just me?) began feeding discouraging thoughts. It was madness honestly.

Long story short, I realized you can't get caught up analyzing every thought and interaction around you, thinking that one is developing a higher mind. It is impossible to process or understand the outer experience fully, given the "infinite array" of meaning and interpretation. I can't find it at the moment, but Ra mentions how it's not possible to fully integrate 3d catalyst into unity..something about its randomness possibly..can't remember the wording. And there's this..

Thusly, the veil is shown both somewhat lifted and still present, since the work of mind and its transformation involves progressive lifting of the great veil betwixt conscious and deep minds. The complete success of this attempt is not properly a portion of third-density work and, more especially, third-density mental processes.

So I just wanted to point out the dangers of getting caught in the mind and its interpretations. I'm more focused on being, by finding ways to help others.

[Cyan]

The more i understand it, the more I see that the dialogue is like two beams of light running from the center of my being into the two opposite spheres of being, one ID and one Superego. And what i perceive is neither true or untrue, it is simply my perceptual cone at that time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuhI_jabtE8 this is a very good video of random quotes about the universe from the game Alpha Centauri. I think it fits here perfectly.

[AnthroHeart]

Pretty good vid Cyan. I hadn't realized there wasn't a gene for an elephant's trunk. I thought features had genes.
I've shrunk back for the time being in my aim to perceive as widely as possible, due to the overwhelming nature I experienced.

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The bad part is that something negative (or was it just me?) began feeding discouraging thoughts. It was madness honestly.

I've had that. I was fed the lie that the characters and Universe I had created, that I had somehow violated their free will in creating them, and that I was going to hell for violating free will. It was rather cruel discouraging thoughts I had. And I believed them at the time.

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Gemini, I read this thread for the first time today when I woke up. A few hours later I went to the grocery store and when I pulled up into a parking spot there were several carts chilling there and one of them began to move backwards into the street. I saw a car was pulling out of a spot and the moving cart would have blocked it or hit it. Your post came to mind at that moment and I calmly walked over and re-directed the moving-cart catalyst.

I LOVE how things are connecting lately! It's all speeding up and the lessons are easier to see, I think. And they're not as scary.. I do believe you're right though.. moving objects seems like a higher-grade of catalyst. Thank you for your insight, Gemini.

By the way, my animal spirit is a wolf. Don't know what kind exactly, I've just always thought of it as a lone wolf.

Have a good one.

That's awesome. I agree that lessons are easier to see. And that's so cool that your animal spirit is the wolf. I adore wolves. I've been a loner much of my life, so I can identify with the lone wolf archetype.

[kdsii]

Oh, wow...
My patience has been tried more in this week than in my whole life combined. No doubt.
It was humbling, as I thought I had a cool temperament, but time just seemed to --STOP-- with a sense of separation, impatience, and rage and the whole ordeal.
(Imagine a new life in Chicago, a day where two dozen things go wrong, then our van is stolen that next morning. Yeah.)

I've also felt that brief, intense connectedness lately.
I guess that's what this is all about, letting go of the 'small' ego.

Ok, I passed the point where I felt unconditional love in my heart for about 3 seconds and it was intense. This was a couple of days ago, and I am pretty certain was the threshold to 4D.

4D is VERY susceptable to thoughts. HAVE to stay in love. Otherwise a stream of intense fear comes in and blocks the solar plexus chakra like no other, making one think they're separated. 4D is not always harmonious while you still have distortions.

If you believe "it's impossible to cause disharmony in any way" like Ra said, then it is. If you believe you can cause disharmony, then you can. you get what you believe.

You're so right Monica.

4D positive at the point I'm at, is SO responsive to thought. Have to stay in love. If thoughts go negative, it can seem like you were harvested negative. The solar plexus chakra gets all blocked up very intensely. Other selves seem to mirror you a WHOLE lot more.

You face your fears. In this case it was that I had opened all my chakras, but my solar plexus was blocked heavily, which created separation between me and other selves. This meant in my mind that I was BOTH STS and STO, and that I'd never be able to build polarity because I was in the gravity well and I couldn't act in an STS manner to gain that polarity so I'd be stuck without building able to build polarity forever.

Have to remember not to feed the stories. It's very hard sometimes, but you gain strength as you go. But your solar plexus can be blocked up in an instant at this point, which is very scary when you begin to FEEL the separation that you're working to unify. A little separation hurts.

I am no longer intensifying because it intensifies the fears. I am now just focused on LOVE.

4D is really timeless, but there are still clocks. Still, a day seems like it lasts a couple of days. 4D will test your patience to the LIMIT. I helped move a friend, and I am very patient by nature, and my friend took like an hour just to tie down something. Time will flow differently in order to try your patience. But I was happy as a camper listening to the cool music on the radio.

I'm going to start going to church with my friend to support her. It's one step towards unity.

Gemini, I don't think you've been doing anything wrong, because you weren't trying to control anyone. By just focusing on creating your own reality, the UniVerse will rearrange itself to accommodate you, including other-selves who are choosing the same reality you are.

In other words, if you desire to create what seems to be 'better' music, then other-selves who also desire to create better music, will be attracted to you, and you will both coexist in the same reality. You didn't control them or force them to do your bidding! Rather, you just attracted those who resonate with the reality you are choosing.

My suggestion is to relax and not get caught up in fear. Focus on being loving and joyful, as you have already been doing, and you can't go wrong.