"The End is Near" mass unconsciousness

[3DMonkey]

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Ra: The Shakespeare from Venus

[zenmaster]

...seek the keys to unknowing.

Spectrum, what an arcane sounding phrase Ra used there!! I wonder what was meant by 'keys to unknowing'.

Ra had a unique way of combining English words to provide the desired effect. Any idea what Ra meant there, by the way? I am scratching my head.

Probably two ways to polarize. Experience is informed by both approaches. To 'not know' takes will.

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Experience is informed by both approaches. To 'not know' takes will.

You strike well like a flash of lightning, Zen, suddenly bringing the hidden elements of the landscape into sharp focus.

Thanks for those statements. There is much to think and digest from those.

[Etude in B Minor]

Reminds me of the book "The Cloud of Unknowing", which was written by an anonymous Catholic monk 100's of years ago. It is a very buddhistic text, quite different than most Christian writings.

[Confused]

Reminds me of the book "The Cloud of Unknowing", which was written by an anonymous Catholic monk 100's of years ago. It is a very buddhistic text, quite different than most Christian writings.

I think I am going to try finding that on the internet. I am sure it should be available somewhere in pdf format.

[Spectrum]

...seek the keys to unknowing.

Spectrum, what an arcane sounding phrase Ra used there!! I wonder what was meant by 'keys to unknowing'.

Ra had a unique way of combining English words to provide the desired effect. Any idea what Ra meant there, by the way? I am scratching my head.

For me personally, it relates to the recurring theme in Ra that transient information is unimportant, in the bigger scheme of things, and that the reason Ra contacted this group was to provide advanced knowledge that might aid them (and whoever they share it with) in their spiritual evolution.

Ra: We have been called to your group, for you
have a need for the diversity of experiences in channeling which go with a
more intensive, or as you might call it, advanced approach to the system of
studying the pattern of the illusions of your body, your mind, and your
spirit, which you call seeking the truth.

Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our
physical reality?

Ra: I am Ra. The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the
conditions which bring about harvest.

Knowledge about earth changes, volcanoes, earthquakes, future wars, possible coming catastrophes or any "details of the day", won't aid anyone in their spiritual evolution one bit, not to mention that the fear experienced when one becomes invested in these things hinders growth.

[Confused]

For me personally, it relates to the reoccuring theme in Ra that transient information is unimportant, ...

You make a truly great point, Spectrum. Got to agree.

But the temptation remains :-/

[Spectrum]

But the temptation remains :-/

It does for me as well. We are curious by nature, all of us.

[Confused]

We are curious by nature, all of us.

Now that reminds me of a popular proverb - "Curiosity killed the cat"

Eh..I got to watch out with my curiosity, then

[Spectrum]

Also, as Carla suggests, I agree that there is more than meets the eye in this 'riddle' of an answer. There is a few 'question marks' surrounding Andrija Puharich in the Ra material, and I think this answer from Ra is quite loaded.

it is a grand choice that each may make to, by desire

I might be wrong though, but I think "seek the keys to the unknowing" was a little hint aimed at the group, and Ra used the "earth changes" as an opportunity.

[Confused]

it is a grand choice that each may make to, by desire

What do you personally think Ra insinuated/implied there, Spectrum?

[Spectrum]

I don't think Andrija Puharich and the group members were on the 'same path', but that's just me.

[Confused]

...but that's just me.

And that could be very valuable for a great many people, without even you knowing it, Spectrum.

Please do not underestimate your insights and intuition, in case you are doing it now

At least, you could share it with people who ask you out of their own freewill and in a dignified posture (both for self and other-self/selves).

[3DMonkey]

...seek the keys to unknowing.

Spectrum, what an arcane sounding phrase Ra used there!! I wonder what was meant by 'keys to unknowing'.

Ra had a unique way of combining English words to provide the desired effect. Any idea what Ra meant there, by the way? I am scratching my head.

For me personally, it relates to the recurring theme in Ra that transient information is unimportant, in the bigger scheme of things, and that the reason Ra contacted this group was to provide advanced knowledge that might aid them (and whoever they share it with) in their spiritual evolution.

Ra: We have been called to your group, for you
have a need for the diversity of experiences in channeling which go with a
more intensive, or as you might call it, advanced approach to the system of
studying the pattern of the illusions of your body, your mind, and your
spirit, which you call seeking the truth.

Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our
physical reality?

Ra: I am Ra. The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the
conditions which bring about harvest.

Knowledge about earth changes, volcanoes, earthquakes, future wars, possible coming catastrophes or any "details of the day", won't aid anyone in their spiritual evolution one bit, not to mention that the fear experienced when one becomes invested in these things hinders growth.

I agree with the point you make. Although, I would add that fear and investment is only one possibility, and not the only possibility.

The curiosity is the pondering of mystery. This is good because it leads us into unknown possibilities.

The Ra quote begins with "We may confirm the good intention of the source of this
entity’s puzzles". Well, what is the source and how does it derive from good intentions? The entity's puzzles are born from seeking the mysteries and nt necessarily born in wanting the answers, therefore the intentions are to seek out the unknown with openmindedness. This is the way I read it, anyway. Be forever curious, for the "answers" will stop growth and reaching.

[Spectrum]

Please do not underestimate your insights and intuition, in case you are doing it now

Well, while we're at it, I saw last night someone recommended In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky in another thread, and I decided to just leave it, but on second thoughts...

Gurdjieff possessed a lot of wisdom indeed, but so did Rasputin....

Disclaimer: My own intuition.

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I agree with the point you make. Although, I would add that fear and investment is only one possibility, and not the only possibility.

The curiosity is the pondering of mystery. This is good because it leads us into unknown possibilities.

The Ra quote begins with "We may confirm the good intention of the source of this
entity’s puzzles". Well, what is the source and how does it derive from good intentions? The entity's puzzles are born from seeking the mysteries and nt necessarily born in wanting the answers, therefore the intentions are to seek out the unknown with openmindedness. This is the way I read it, anyway. Be forever curious, for the "answers" will stop growth and reaching.

I had to press the LIKE button. Excellent points.

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...I saw last night someone referenced In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky, and I decided to just leave it, but on second thoughts...

Gurdjieff possessed a lot of wisdom indeed, but so did Rasputin....

I did not get it, Spectrum. Can you explain, please?

[Spectrum]

I did not get it, Spectrum. Can you explain, please?

P.D. Ouspensky was a student of G.I. Gurdjieff, and In Search of the Miraculous is his personal account of the teachings he and others received from Gurdjieff. It's a marvelous book, until one discovers the Ra material, and become very familiar with the characteristics of STS and STO, then Gurdjieff becomes rather 'questionable', for those desiring to access intelligent infinity via the STO path. Gurdjieff accessed intelligent infinity, but I'm not so sure about the route he chose. In Search of the Miraculous itself, doesn't give so much away in terms of polarity, it's only when one starts digging a bit deeper into Gurdjieff's other works...

Questioner: Is there anyone in our history who is commonly known who
went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type of planet or any who
will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few
have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up
of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent
infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes
at any time/space during the cycle.

Questioner: Are any of these people known in the history of our planet by
name?

Ra: I am Ra. We will mention a few. The one known as Taras Bulba, the
one known as Genghis Khan, the one known as Rasputin.

Are you familiar with te works of Gurdjieff? Lots of wisdom.

Again, my intuition, coupled with Ra's very valuable 'pointers'.

[Confused]

P.D. Ouspensky was a student of G.I. Gurdjieff, and In Search of the Miraculous was his personal account of the teachings he and others received from Gurdjieff. It's a marvelous book, until one discovers the Ra material, and become very familiar with the characteristics of STS and STO, then Gurdjieff becomes rather 'questionable', for those desiring to access intelligent infinity via the STO path. Gurdjieff accessed intelligent infinity, but I'm not so sure about the route he chose.

I get it now, Spectrum, crystal. Thanks for digging that up. Much appreciated.

[Spectrum]

I get it now, Spectrum, crystal. Thanks for digging that up. Much appreciated.

You're welcome

About them were soon gathered those
who found it easy to believe that a series of specific knowledges and
wisdoms would advance one towards the Creator. The end of this was the
graduation into fourth-density negative of the Wanderers, which had much
power of personality, and some small deepening of the negatively polarized
element of those not polarizing positively.

[Confused]

I get it now, Spectrum, crystal. Thanks for digging that up. Much appreciated.

You're welcome

About them were soon gathered those
who found it easy to believe that a series of specific knowledges and
wisdoms would advance one towards the Creator. The end of this was the
graduation into fourth-density negative of the Wanderers, which had much
power of personality, and some small deepening of the negatively polarized
element of those not polarizing positively.

That is with reference to negative wanderers in Venus, isn't it? If it could happen there, what about Gaia then?

[Spectrum]

Well, earth is much more diversely polarized as Venus was during Ra's 3rd density experience.

There are many traps for the seeker.

There's lots of teachers on this planet, but there are two teachings. Being fooled once by a teacher who pays lip service to STO, but over time clearly displays STS polarization in their actions, can be quite the wake-up call.

We continuously exercise 'critical correction' with others, because we 'want' to believe that they are good, filling in the gaps, when there are no gaps that need filling. We project our own internal landscape onto them, and attempt to rationalize and justify their actions.

Then cognitive dissonance enters the picture, because one's beliefs start to contradict reality. Wishful thinking gets you nowhere. Then you learn to see things as they are, and not as you want them to be.

One of my most valuable lessons to date, not to mention painful.

And then comes the acceptance and forgiveness, of oneself and of other-self, which is the healing part.

And then the search continues, with a little bit of wisdom and experience in the bag And yet another confirmation, that one's intuition is not to be ignored, since intuition I think, is that little voice from one's higher self in 6D.

I only started meditating recently, so, long way to go.

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I think it is interesting to note what Ra said

Penetration into the eighth or intelligent
infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes
at any time/space during the cycle.

So this is what i feel, ultimately harvest has always been and always be something related to your level of vibration, no matter where you are in the so called "cycle" once you have mastery you are not trapped anywhere and you are ultimately unbound.

Because you are the creator, you are the creation and once you realize that, you are free to perceive and be as you will.

But always the higher awareness the more responsibility towards yourself/other as reality there is.

Until you perceive yourself to be light/love itself...

[Spectrum]

The Ra quote begins with "We may confirm the good intention of the source of this
entity’s puzzles". Well, what is the source and how does it derive from good intentions? The entity's puzzles are born from seeking the mysteries and nt necessarily born in wanting the answers, therefore the intentions are to seek out the unknown with openmindedness.

Yeah that is confusing, and under normal conditions I don't think it's necessarily a good thing to put too much thought and energy into another's possible polarity, it's too complex and nuanced, it just serves separation and division. I just think it was quite necessary in this case because of the unique nature of Ra's contact. The harmony of the group was paramount to maintaining the contact.

Be forever curious, for the "answers" will stop growth and reaching.

Absolutely.

[Confused]

Then cognitive dissonance enters the picture...

What does it really mean, in lay terms, Spectrum? There is a lot said about this all over the forum. But somehow, the definitions are usually complex.

By the way, the rest of the post was pretty insightful. Thank you for sharing.

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Because you are the creator, you are the creation and once you realize that, you are free to perceive and be as you will.

But always the higher awareness the more responsibility towards yourself/other as reality there is.

Until you perceive yourself to be light/love itself...

Heavy duty stuff. Great, dp.

[Spectrum]

What does it really mean, in lay terms, Spectrum? There is a lot said about this all over the forum. But somehow, the definitions are usually complex.

Well, the simplest explanation is from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously.

Where it gets interesting is, as wikipedia says:

The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance.

In order to try and alleviate the feeling of unease, caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously, and change cognitive dissonance into cognitive consonance, people become 'very creative' - self rationalizing and so forth. It's usually a belief which has no basis in reality, so that's where the conflict comes in. Personally, I think pride and ego also play a big part, not being able or willing so say "I made a mistake" or "I was wrong" or "I was fooled", when that would immediately alleviate the unease.

The book I referenced earlier in this thread, When Prophecy Fails, is one of the pioneering studies in this field. It's a good read.

In the words of Anthony Hopkins in Hearts in Atlantis:

"Wishing won't make it so"

By the way, the rest of the post was pretty insightful. Thank you for sharing.

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Since wisdom came up in this thread, I thought the following might also be applicable:

Ra: For the answer to this query we must begin with the
consideration of the serpent, signifying wisdom. This symbol has the value
of the ease of viewing the two faces of the one who is wise. Positive wisdom
adorns the brow indicating indigo-ray work. Negative wisdom, by which we
intend to signify expressions which effectually separate the self from the
other-self, may be symbolized by poison of the fangs. To use that which a
mind/body/spirit complex has gained of wisdom for the uses of separation is
to invite the fatal bite of that wisdom’s darker side.

[Confused]

Since wisdom came up in this thread, I thought the following might also be applicable:

It is interesting that you have picked that paragraph, Spectrum. That entire exchange has always been one very loaded for me, for what was said or not said. In fact, I believe Ra said that Jim was on the path of negative wisdom (or STS in normal terms?), but the distortions were decreasing. That came as a stunner, when I first digested it. But I could be wrongly interpreting it.

From the same 101.2 -

The entity has a mental/emotional tendency, which has been lessening in distortion for some of your space/time, towards negative wisdom.

[Ocean]

lessening in distortion?

[Confused]

lessening in distortion?

I guess Jim was transferring from the negative to the positive aspect of wisdom. Nevertheless, it appears that Jim, at that time, had some inclination towards negative wisdom.

Anyway, I think I might be stating something very unpopular. And of course, it could be completely stupid and wrong.

[Spectrum]

It is interesting that you have picked that paragraph, Spectrum. That entire exchange has always been one very loaded for me, for what was said or not said. In fact, I believe Ra said that Jim was on the path of negative wisdom (or STS in normal terms?), but the distortions were decreasing. That came as a stunner, when I first digested it. But I could be wrongly interpreting it.

It's a good lesson to all of us, to always be consciously aware of how the very skilled 'loyal opposition' constantly seeks to tip our polarization in their favour. The whole of book 5 is just full of these things one can ponder for long, and Ra's words and advice against the background of the real life drama, makes it easier to get a handle on, and apply to one's own life.

The way I understand it, is that we all chose pre-incarnative 'gifts' to take with us into the incarnation (like Jim did with anger/frustration), which is very suited to our level of development, and then catalyst is send to increase polarization. It also shows us how easily polarization is affected by our thoughts, words, actions and choices. Even if we're positively oriented.

What is good to always keep in mind I think, is that the backdrop for all Ra's words in book 5 (and the rest) were exceptional events. Few people have a 5th density negative friend waiting to take advantage of literally every gap it can find. That's what differentiates the group from most of us, while also, who better to learn from than those who got the full brunt of what 'the loyal opposition' has to offer.

Anger and frustration applies to us all, since they are universal emotions, that's what makes that lesson and the advice given so valuable to us all. Even if anger/frustration isn't nessecarily a core 'gift' one chose before incarnation, we all still encounter it again and again.

This was quite the statement from Ra:

Ra: I am Ra. As in all distortions, the source is the limit of the viewpoint.

The limit of the viewpoint is of course caused by the veil which was dropped, yet the 'limit of the viewpoint' is a necessity for evolution in third density.

Ra: I am Ra. Each mind/body/spirit or mind/body/spirit complex has an
existence simultaneous with that of creation. It is not dependent upon any
physical vehicle. However, in order to evolve, change, learn, and manifest
the Creator the physical vehicles appropriate to each density are necessary.
Your query implied that physical vehicles accelerated growth. The more
accurate description is that they permit growth.

And remember this:

Carla: Yet Ra encourages us not to erase faults but to balance them. I think this
to be a key concept. All of us dwelling in this veil of flesh have biases and
opinions that seem distorted to some degree.

I'm very grateful to Carla and Jim for sharing the contents of book 5 with us, it couldn't have been easy. I can't imagine though where else one would come across such advice to apply in one's one life.