My experience with Islam

[Spooner]

there's nothing in what either Ra or Q'uo says to suggest [muhammud] wasn't a legitimate spiritual source.

Yes but there's plenty of common sense to indicate that he was a negative path spiritual source. Namely the prevalence of conquest and slavery in his religion. The fact that he was a warlord, held slaves, and preached a religion far less tolerant or peaceful than contemporary religions. The list goes on and on. Consider the religious instructions of the Quran to wage holy war until all are subdued under Islam.

Quran (8:38-39) - “Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

 It just puts more money in the pockets of those who profit off animosity without actually getting us any closer to peaceful solutions to working out various cultural differences.

Well to do that you're going to have to confront a hard reality. (1) that's you're wrong about history and (2) that islam has a very different "solution" to cultural differences.

Quaran 4:89 "[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. "

[APeacefulWarrior]

Wow, we're just going for the pure fearmongering now, huh? And cherrypicking short out-of-context snippets too. So much for having any sort of reasonable discussion on the topic.

I mean, seriously. Do all Christians have the exact same interpretation of the Bible? Do Buddhists all have the exact same interpretation of the teachings of Buddha? No. Even if there are extremists who would use those quotes to justify war, that doesn't mean they represent the majority of Muslims or even a large percentage. That's like cherry-picking out "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" from Exodus and claiming that, therefore, all Christians and Jews want to exterminate Wiccans from the Earth.

But here you are, trying to convince me to hate and fear more than a billion people, based on a few quotes that you've undoubtedly taken from other websites telling you to hate and fear. And in a forum devoted to the unity of all people as part of the Creator and Creation, no less!

I mean, hell, it must be downright exhausting spending that much mental energy vilifying people you don't even know.

[Cainite]

I think it doesn't matter what religion you have. as long as you're originally positive you may even interpret the parts added by the Orion group in holy books in a positive way or accept that they've been changed as time passed.

There are good parts in Quran. the good muslims that i've known, mostly aren't even aware of the negative parts.
They see their religion as truth, love, goodness, helping the poor, etc.

[Spooner]

As long as you're originally positive you may even interpret the parts added by the Orion group in holy books in a positive way or accept that they've been changed as time passed.

There are good parts in Quran. the good muslims that i've known, mostly aren't even aware of the negative parts.
They see their religion as truth, love, goodness, helping the poor, etc.

I absolutely agree. With the quoted above.

I think it doesn't matter what religion you have.

I don't agree with this part. It's sorta true much like saying "It doesn't matter what kind of food you eat and how you exercise if you want to get fit just so long as you exercise and try to eat well." Well it's kinda true. It's especially true if you already know how to exercise and eat well. But it's most definitely untrue if you don't know how to exercise and eat well. Mostly just the effort is the important part. There are better and worse ways to eat. There are better and worse ways to work out. There are better and worse religions.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I think it doesn't matter what religion you have. as long as you're originally positive you may even interpret the parts added by the Orion group in holy books in a positive way or accept that they've been changed as time passed.

There are good parts in Quran. the good muslims that i've known, mostly aren't even aware of the negative parts.
They see their religion as truth, love, goodness, helping the poor, etc.

Exactly. No religion, philosophy, or other spiritual path on Earth is entirely right or wrong. They all have elements of the light, and wisdom for achieving it, for those with the heart and mind to seek out the light. (As well as elements of darkness.) The Creator is reflected in all the various gods of man, and -for one who seeks the Creator- it's really more a question of which "reflection" resonates with them most strongly.

[Cainite]

I don't agree with this part. It's sorta true much like saying "It doesn't matter what kind of food you eat and how you exercise if you want to get fit just so long as you exercise and try to eat well." Well it's kinda true. It's especially true if you already know how to exercise and eat well. But it's most definitely untrue if you don't know how to exercise and eat well. Mostly just the effort is the important part. There are better and worse ways to eat. There are better and worse ways to work out. There are better and worse religions.

Ok, I have to agree with that to some extent.

Islam has clearly been influenced by negative entities to an extent that it can have more bad effects than good.

Imagine you've been a guest in my house for three years, and I've been very good to you during this period, except the one day that I raped you. lol
Islam has become like that! it teaches many good things but a few very contradictory things now because of what negative influences done to it (not Muhammad himself)
These few contradictions and evil parts ruin the whole thing.

Anyways, arabs dont even read one single page of anything, including Quran, ever. and persians don't read translations of quran so it's just like music to them that they dont understand.

I have a genius arab friend who lives in morocco, he's nothing like his fellow brethren.
He is very well read, wise and his english is beautiful and he speaks 3 languages fluently.
He told me that the language in Quran is real arabic, the kind that's not spoken anymore.
It seemed like he likes Quran.
What he dislikes are arabs, his own race.

So I can't be sure if it's Islam that makes most of these people traitorous (as he describes) or the negativity of the kind of souls that incarnate as arabs.

(btw, Islam means surrender. they say it's surrender to the creator)

[Hoothef]

So after a while I realized I needed to read the Quran. In each psych ward I would ask for each prophetic book and read it and try to discern what the truth is. Truth is apparent, but it’s application can be eternally nuanced. Islam in my experience has been run by beautiful people but I know there are some sour grapes. (Homophobia [by mostly men]) I’ve started studying Islam a lot now and as the key points are the tahweed which is the emphasis of the oneness of Allah/Creator. The key that I find is that there is no equal to the Creator, Al-Khaliq, and we are not that, we are instead subjected to judgement by Al-Hakam, and we will be judged based on the fact of whether or not we headed the prophets and their message. The law was given and whether or not we like it we still had a chance to see it before the day of judgement. Ar-Rahman (The exceedingly merciful) will hear us, but if we wait til a day other than today to learn how to pray according to the word that was given we will be sorry if we have to reincarnate again and again. Al-Baʿith Will bring us to life after we die and in the Quran it mentions hell with descriptions of when one skin is worn out they will be given a new skin and so forth to really enjoy the pain. (Pardon I don’t have the reference rn as I heard it on an audiobook) also “...you bring the living out of the dead, and the dead from the living.” (Ali Imran v27b) which sounds a bit like Plato’s Phædo in which Socrates states “the dead come from the living and the living come from the dead.” While when I ask the Muslims in Seattle about reincarnation they deny it in favor of a Ressurection but I don’t think they know that reincarnation is how the judgements find differing levels of severity. Looking at the air rn in my area I see so much smoke I feel like I live in a remote region of hell. This is why I turned to Al-Haqq as only truth mattered. What happened when I applied the unity that is shared in the Ra material was next to apocalyptic in my own life and I lost just about everything but gain so much experience I could never unsee the spirits that came to me from hell warning me. I had worshipped the sun of god and prayed to lesser dieties than Al-Mubdiʾ and while according to Ra all is one and it would still get to the source a clear image of prayer is a must. Now languages have much power and sound complexes reach the logos in different ways and English is a dull language to pray in. I’d been babbling in tongues for a while but now I am ready to learn an actual language and Arabic called to me. I took my shahada A little while ago and started praying at a mosque right by my house. Almost everyone there is from another country and they accepted me as a brother right away and I have a few brothers teaching me Arabic, how to pray and the stories of the prophets. Muslims have such a rich oral tradition with so many stories that everyone knows by heart. Praying salat in Arabic with unity in spirit is very powerful and I know that as a previous Christian I feel blessed to see prayer taken so seriously and it is super meditative. The Ra sound complex is interwoven into the Arabic prayers which is quite interesting to me. I want to pray with unity for this world to know healing and peace (from the age of plastic/pollution). My prayer is that you study and decide for yourself if Mohammed (as) is one of the prophets and if so it is a duty to take his message seriously. I don’t know everything at all but I was tired of ignoring certain messages just cause I didn’t like to fear Al-Mumit.
Much of Islam is built off of fear of God. Solomon (as) says “the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.”

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Go your own way

[loostudent]

This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker. (Ra)

What I like most in Islam is sufism. Every big religion has a more mystic and esoteric side. I think it's less mixed and veiled than mainstream religion.

I had some personal experience with African Muslim neighbours. They were very kind and friendly. However I noticed some negativity in their beleifs that could be dangerous in different situation. Very early they taught their children some strict commandments. For example who eats pork will burn in hell. Women who show their hair will burn in hell. So they are strongly convinced that all people of other culture different than Islam are sinners who need to be punished. I haven't experienced something like this with mainstream Christians.

[Cyan]

If I may make a little sidestep in the thread and say that the worst experience I've had with religion is Buddhism, if Islam is violence pretending to be friendly as you say, not to mention the "thou shalt not let a witch to live" rules in similars, Buddhism excels in painting itself as non violent when throughout history they've had violent wars between their religious schools in Tibet, exterminating an entire interpretation of Buddhism and having holy warrior monks in Japan and similar. When a religion says they are peaceful it is usually not the case.

The radical violent islam composes perhaps 10% of the total believer population, while perhaps 10% of Nazis were violent, one does not tend to judge a group by its non violence but by its violence, we tend to enjoy watching things burn so, war all around.

That being said, Islamic wars and violence ended for the most part in the 19th century and they are now closer to perhaps the bible belt in arrogance rather than Gengish Khan, it is an idology that I would never want to see world dominance in, so is Christianity and Buddhism. On that topic:



This covers it quite well.

[Stranger]

Cyan, what was the interpretation of Buddhism that was exterminated?

[Hoothef]

This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker. (Ra)

What I like most in Islam is sufism. Every big religion has a more mystic and esoteric side. I think it's less mixed and veiled than mainstream religion.

I had some personal experience with African Muslim neighbours. They were very kind and friendly. However I noticed some negativity in their beleifs that could be dangerous in different situation. Very early they tought their children some strict commandments. For example who eats pork will burn in hell. Women who show their hair will burn in hell. So they are strongly convinced that all people of other culture different than Islam are sinners who need to be punished. I haven't experienced something like this with mainstream Christians.

I was taught in Christianity that women who wore pants deserve to be in hell. How Christians believe that Jesus takes away their sin, is the real issue, because it takes responsibility of the self for ones own karma. A Believer is a believer no matter where you find them and when they hear the truth, they make the necessary adjustments in their life to live with it. I’d say treating any animal wrongly by participating in the inhumane upbringing of it’s life including pork would send you to hell. In your next life time you were that let’s say that treating any animal wrong way but participating in inhumane upbringing of it’s life including pork would send you to hell. In your next life time you were that pig. How is the cycle of reincarnation for a theory on how hellfire works? Every time you reincarnate have stupid disappointing mistakes that you make because you’re stuck in a body that does what your mind doesn’t think it wants to do... The Muslim way is one of purity and anything against the word that was given will have its consequences on the day of judgment and for many souls existing after so long and after death when we collect our big breath and in the resurrection Allah will judge each and in this day all have the access to the message given to us in its pure form by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). My first experience with Muslims as when I was at Starbucks and they were all women and not all of them wore the veil. The ones that did I did respect more (but not because of that). The Muslim lady was my supervisor’s supervisor and then after I quit I told her about all my supervisor’s conflict of interest she took appropriate action and made sure the issue was handled in a way that made me feel heard out and that integrity was the priority. If you want to think about the things that will keep you stuck in bodies for a very long time, then don’t hear the message of the prophets. But a strict instructions were given on how to live one’s life was written in the book (what if because we didn’t like what it had to say, we discarded it) after we die we looked back on a big DMT trip we access the situation when the angel of death comes for you. (I’ve arty seen him. Artie died. Came back with the clone) You may be surprised at the magic of actually praying in a language other than English and if all we did was mumble at god in a bastrd language and didn’t truly worship the Creator as they have already clearly written in a pure language, it just shows that there will always be a distinct line between believers and unbelievers. Every seeker must come across the Quran at some point in time and if you don’t follow it you have warned from the mouth of Gabriel.

Also in response to the video 911 was an inside cia anti-Muslim job. The video was shown claiming that Al Qaeda did it, was mistranslated and set up. I did my research paper in high school on this and none of my teachers had any problem with my citing. People that like to kill people will hide within religions that make it seem all right to them and groups around them. If you believe in One Infinite Creator they will judge everyone in the extremist category according to their actions. There are real extremists inside of our government hiding the truth. Muslims were not responsible for 911 a fearful shadow in our government is.

I have dreams, and I’ve had my own past that hunts me in my dreams. After I converted And I started praying with Wudhu before sleeping it helps immensely and my experience with other practices never helped me dream so peacefully on mars. I’m a lucid dreamer, but still I know that certain belief systems are inspired and can help. The blood of Jesus did not give me good dreams. That is what Christianity is built off of. They believe their sins are OK because someone else can pay for them that is a serious mistake in any monotheism. Pure monotheism is good monotheism, And every day I study this religion I find the level of detail it has is infinite to explain a way of living unlike Christianity creates barbaric citizens unaccountable to Allah (the most high) for their actions because of a blood sacrifice of a prophet. The (apostate) Paul considered Jesus as the son of God, but they are no more son of god than Adam (Peace be upon him). Christianity is not monotheism. If you were begotten you did not create at the beginning. If I hold an incorrect believe system my dreamtime Will reflect accordingly with a more distorted image. Peace will come when I find and align myself with my Creator and the law that is given. I was raised on reading the psalms everyday and when I hear the reciting of the Quran I know it is pleasing to the creator. If you think violence is condoned in this peaceful religion then ask why in the Bhagavad Gita Krishna implores Arjuna to go to war with his cousin. War will always be a part of nature. When we advance it becomes ideological instead of physical.

-peAce and love

[Hoothef]

Cyan, what was the interpretation of Buddhism that was exterminated?

How would we know if it was exterminated? Lol

[Cyan]

Cyan, what was the interpretation of Buddhism that was exterminated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonang

Took me some doing but this is the one, the Dalai Lama eliminated this school or at least attempted to because they were "Heretical" so so much for understanding between the schools in my view.

[loostudent]

I was taught in Christianity that women who wore pants deserve to be in hell.  How Christians believe that Jesus takes away their sin, is the real issue, because it takes responsibility of the self for ones own karma.

I know that some more conservative Christians prefer longer skirts for women but above doctrine about pants sounds more like an extreme sectarian teaching. Jesus taking others karma upon him (sola fide) is a great dispute between churches. There are different interpretations of individual responsibility and transmission of karma.

In your next life time you were that let’s say that treating any animal wrong way but participating in inhumane upbringing of it’s life including pork would send you to hell. In your next life time you were that pig. How is the cycle of reincarnation for a theory on how hellfire works?  Every time you reincarnate have stupid disappointing mistakes that you make because you’re stuck in a body that does what your mind doesn’t think it wants to do ...

That is not Islam but your modification. Hell is not meant as karma (payback in next incarnation) but literally as afterlife punishment in fires. Do exactly what is prescribed or else ... To me there seems to be a great lack of acceptance of the concept of freedom. A lot of commandments actually make sense but I don't agree the way this has been established with force and fear.

The biggest sin in Islam is not believing in one God Allah (The possesor of power over all things) and Muhammad's message. All non-Muslims (atheists and believers of other religions) are doomed to hell. They would also be badly punished if they were under Muslim jurisdiction. Therefore it's ok to punish and kill a Muslim if he/she commits "disbelief" - becomes an atheist or Christian for example. Right?

Christianity is not monotheism. If you were begotten you did not create at the beginning.

How did God create at the beginning?

[Hoothef]

I was taught in Christianity that women who wore pants deserve to be in hell.  How Christians believe that Jesus takes away their sin, is the real issue, because it takes responsibility of the self for ones own karma.

I know that some more conservative Christians prefer longer skirts for women but above doctrine about pants sounds more like an extreme sectarian teaching. Jesus taking others karma upon him (sola fide) is a great dispute between churches. There are different interpretations of individual responsibility and transmission of karma.

In your next life time you were that let’s say that treating any animal wrong way but participating in inhumane upbringing of it’s life including pork would send you to hell. In your next life time you were that pig. How is the cycle of reincarnation for a theory on how hellfire works?  Every time you reincarnate have stupid disappointing mistakes that you make because you’re stuck in a body that does what your mind doesn’t think it wants to do ...

That is not Islam but your modification. Hell is not meant as karma (payback in next incarnation) but literally as afterlife punishment in fires. Do exactly what is prescribed or else ... To me there seems to be a great lack of acceptance of the concept of freedom. A lot of commandments actually make sense but I don't agree the way this has been established with force and fear.

The biggest sin in Islam is not believing in one God Allah (The possesor of power over all things) and Muhammad's message. All non-Muslims (atheists and believers of other religions) are doomed to hell. They would also be badly punished if they were under Muslim jurisdiction. Therefore it's ok to punish and kill a Muslim if he/she commits "disbelief" - becomes an atheist or Christian for example. Right?

Christianity is not monotheism. If you were begotten you did not create at the beginning.

How did God create at the beginning?

Agreed these are my thoughts about reincarnation coming into Islam and not what is taught explicitly by many scholars. How god created at the beginning in the Quran? He said Kun (be) and it was. Pretty much the concept of the Word as the origin of creation.

It’s not any Muslims responsibility to put anybody in hell or punish one for believing differently. That is all up to the creator in the day of judgment. It is the responsibility of the believer to share what they believe with others, and if they don’t believe then they disregarded the message and will be held as responsible for their response to the given Word.

For a discourse on reincarnation and Islam see this article
https://reincarnationquran.wordpress.com

[loostudent]

It’s not any Muslims responsibility to put anybody in hell or punish one for believing differently.

Really? What about this?

In an Islamic state, an apostate or zindiq or hypocrite will be executed (women apostates will be imprisoned for life) /.../

While Muslims are not in a position to implement Islamic law in such [non-Islamic] states and execute or imprison apostates, zanadiq and hypocrites, they should cut ALL ties and socially boycott apostates at ALL personal and social levels that they possibly can.

Muslims should not as much as look kindly or offer a greeting, shake hands, conduct business with, or talk to apostates, zanadiq and hypocrites, except in situations where they have no other option remaining than to do so (i.e., interact with the apostate / munafiq / zindiq) in order to comply with the legal covenant they have with the kafir state.

Parents, sons, daughters, siblings, and neighbors are NOT exceptions. apostates, zanadiq & munafiqiin deserve complete disrespect, scorn, contempt, and abandonment of all ties – EVEN IF they are one’s parents or sons or daughters or siblings or neighbors.

A MUSLIM MUST HATE THEM AND CONSIDER THEM AS HIS/HER ARCH-ENEMIES.

[Hoothef]

[quote='Hoothef' pid='249328' dateline='1535227632']
It’s not any Muslims responsibility to put anybody in hell or punish one for believing differently.

Really? What about this?

In an Islamic state, an apostate or zindiq or hypocrite will be executed (women apostates will be imprisoned for life) /.../

While Muslims are not in a position to implement Islamic law in such [non-Islamic] states and execute or imprison apostates, zanadiq and hypocrites, they should cut ALL ties and socially boycott apostates at ALL personal and social levels that they possibly can.

Muslims should not as much as look kindly or offer a greeting, shake hands, conduct business with, or talk to apostates, zanadiq and hypocrites, except in situations where they have no other option remaining than to do so (i.e., interact with the apostate / munafiq / zindiq) in order to comply with the legal covenant they have with the kafir state.

Parents, sons, daughters, siblings, and neighbors are NOT exceptions. apostates, zanadiq & munafiqiin deserve complete disrespect, scorn, contempt, and abandonment of all ties – EVEN IF they are one’s parents or sons or daughters or siblings or neighbors.

A MUSLIM MUST HATE THEM AND CONSIDER THEM AS HIS/HER ARCH-ENEMIES.

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If someone is trying to ruin the religion from the inside out, of course All ties should be cut with them by those in the religion to preserve the religion. Islam is the religion given to the prophets from the Creator and just because we may think some of the law given is harsh, the Quran is undoubtedly the most authentic divine text ever given and preserved from the Creator and for those trying to corrupt the religion should be rooted out as a cancer. My Christian family had nothing to do with me once I started talking about kundalini yoga and the shadow self and then it took me going to church for a while for my mom to think I was ok to call. Everything I had to say was destroying their belief system, so they decided to cut me out completely. Religion goes both ways. It’s always jihaad.

[Glow]

I was taught in Christianity that women who wore pants deserve to be in hell.  How Christians believe that Jesus takes away their sin, is the real issue, because it takes responsibility of the self for ones own karma.

I know that some more conservative Christians prefer longer skirts for women but above doctrine about pants sounds more like an extreme sectarian teaching. Jesus taking others karma upon him (sola fide) is a great dispute between churches. There are different interpretations of individual responsibility and transmission of karma.

Jumping into this convo.

1. I have over the years rubbed shoulders with a lot of fundamental Christians who basically believe everyone but them are going to hell so it isn't just a Muslim thing. I see it very much how the world works. For one to be winners others must lose. Separation consciousness at work. Why would any one of love/compassion want another punished? That is not understanding or forgiveness but the perpetuation of karma. Judge not lest the be judged.

2.There is no folly in Jesus's offer to take on others karma. It is the magic of oneness that when we see each other as one we can heal and forgive on each others behalf.
It is occult magic and there is much of it in the bible.

The sacrament of that magical working of Jesus supposes on the teaching of his followers being "the body of Christ" -one with him, and he knows he is one with god.

The prayer during the mass where the congregations takes of his symbolic body, and blood and they become the body of Christ enables him to forgive them of their sins because they are now accepting their oneness with him. Judge not lest the be judged and he doesn't.

I personally hope his magic works, we have punished ourselves and each other enough.
The way out is love/compassion/forgiveness of sins(errors) outside the veil we are one. We are one now.

I really need another cup of tea.

[Hoothef]

I was taught in Christianity that women who wore pants deserve to be in hell.  How Christians believe that Jesus takes away their sin, is the real issue, because it takes responsibility of the self for ones own karma.

I know that some more conservative Christians prefer longer skirts for women but above doctrine about pants sounds more like an extreme sectarian teaching. Jesus taking others karma upon him (sola fide) is a great dispute between churches. There are different interpretations of individual responsibility and transmission of karma.

Jumping into this convo.

1. I have over the years rubbed shoulders with a lot of fundamental Christians who basically believe everyone but them are going to hell so it isn't just a Muslim thing. I see it very much how the world works. For one to be winners others must lose. Separation consciousness at work. Why would any one of love/compassion want another punished? That is not understanding or forgiveness but the perpetuation of karma. Judge not lest the be judged.

2.There is no folly in Jesus's offer to take on others karma. It is the magic of oneness that when we see each other as one we can heal and forgive on each others behalf.
It is occult magic and there is much of it in the bible.

The sacrament of that magical working of Jesus supposes on the teaching of his followers being "the body of Christ" -one with him, and he knows he is one with god.

The prayer during the mass where the congregations takes of his symbolic body, and blood and they become the body of Christ enables him to forgive them of their sins because they are now accepting their oneness with him. Judge not lest the be judged and he doesn't.

I personally hope his magic works, we have punished ourselves and each other enough.
The way out is love/compassion/forgiveness of sins(errors) outside the veil we are one. We are one now.

I really need another cup of tea.

““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, and drive out demons in Your name, and perform many miracles in Your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Get away from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭TLV‬‬
Magic is expressly forbidden in the message given to us from the prophets. Trusting in anything other than the creator to forgive sins is one of the greatest sins in Islam considered shirk. The blood sacrifice occultl magic that you talk about is only in the Bible of parts that the (apostate) Paul wrote and Jesus (peace be upon him) never claimed to be a blood sacrifice. To trust a story over a message to save you is contrary to the message always given in consistency to the prophets. And the day of judgment will come to us all and if we are trusting in a man-made story given to us by someone who was not even present with the supposed creator of the universe that has a physical form to pay to our actions you see that Jesus, peace be upon him, is explicitly states that many people will call him Lord and he will still judge them based on whether or not they obeyed the law. Jesus explained the tahweed very clearly when he said “hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one.” To call anything as equal with god is to introduce a duality and to worship a prophet is a form of idolatry. The only thing that will help you on the day of judgment, is you knowing the law and submitting to that law which was given to everyone that is on the planet now. Jesus was sent explicitly to the Jews peace be upon him. Muhammad peace be upon him, was sent to the whole of humanity to clear up the mistakes that the Christians listening to Paul and other occult magicians corrupting the language and religion from the inside out. Jesus was sent explicitly to the Jews peace be upon him. Muhammad peace be upon him, was sent to the whole of humanity to clear up the mistakes that the Christians do to Paul and other occult magicians corrupting religion from the inside out by using pagan belief systems instead of pure view of monotheism given by all true prophets. Did we obey the law relayed to us by God through his holy prophets sent to us for all ages? You see how Christianity has paved the road to hell with a false hope as people trust in the blood of Jesus to cover sins. Find Jesus once in the gospels talking about the power of his blood to cure sins. That’s all conjecture based on Paul who was trying to make sense out of something he was not a part of. Paul is not a prophet in fact if the scriptures tell us anything about him it’s that he was blinded and the story when told by Paul is different both times (which is clear warning by Luke in acts that the religion had been distorted.) Paul is (just) a scholar that’s it and people take his letters as law when we know that Jesus says if we don’t forgive others neither will our Heavenly Father forgive us. Jesus explicitly stated to a man asking how to enter eternal life: “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:25-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬ the word of the prophets is very clear and not something that is invalidated by one posing apostle. Claiming: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I cannot say more than enough times that it is by works that we save ourselves from the cycle of death. How many Catholic priest think that Jesus paid for their pedophilia?

[Glow]

I was taught in Christianity that women who wore pants deserve to be in hell.  How Christians believe that Jesus takes away their sin, is the real issue, because it takes responsibility of the self for ones own karma.

I know that some more conservative Christians prefer longer skirts for women but above doctrine about pants sounds more like an extreme sectarian teaching. Jesus taking others karma upon him (sola fide) is a great dispute between churches. There are different interpretations of individual responsibility and transmission of karma.

Jumping into this convo.

1. I have over the years rubbed shoulders with a lot of fundamental Christians who basically believe everyone but them are going to hell so it isn't just a Muslim thing. I see it very much how the world works. For one to be winners others must lose. Separation consciousness at work. Why would any one of love/compassion want another punished? That is not understanding or forgiveness but the perpetuation of karma. Judge not lest the be judged.

2.There is no folly in Jesus's offer to take on others karma. It is the magic of oneness that when we see each other as one we can heal and forgive on each others behalf.
It is occult magic and there is much of it in the bible.

The sacrament of that magical working of Jesus supposes on the teaching of his followers being "the body of Christ" -one with him, and he knows he is one with god.

The prayer during the mass where the congregations takes of his symbolic body, and blood and they become the body of Christ enables him to forgive them of their sins because they are now accepting their oneness with him. Judge not lest the be judged and he doesn't.

I personally hope his magic works, we have punished ourselves and each other enough.
The way out is love/compassion/forgiveness of sins(errors) outside the veil we are one. We are one now.

I really need another cup of tea.

““Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, and drive out demons in Your name, and perform many miracles in Your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Get away from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭TLV‬‬
Magic is expressly forbidden in the message given to us from the prophets. Trusting in anything other than the creator to forgive sins is one of the greatest sins in Islam considered shirk. The blood sacrifice occultl magic that you talk about is only in the Bible of parts that the (apostate) Paul wrote and Jesus (peace be upon him) never claimed to be a blood sacrifice. To trust a story over a message to save you is contrary to the message always given in consistency to the prophets. And the day of judgment will come to us all and if we are trusting in a man-made story given to us by someone who was not even present with the supposed creator of the universe that has a physical form to pay to our actions you see that Jesus, peace be upon him, is explicitly states that many people will call him Lord and he will still judge them based on whether or not they obeyed the law. Jesus explained the tahweed very clearly when he said “hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one.” To call anything as equal with god is to introduce a duality and to worship a prophet is a form of idolatry. The only thing that will help you on the day of judgment, is you knowing the law and submitting to that law which was given to everyone that is on the planet now. Jesus was sent explicitly to the Jews peace be upon him. Muhammad peace be upon him, was sent to the whole of humanity to clear up the mistakes that the Christians listening to Paul and other occult magicians corrupting the language and religion from the inside out. Jesus was sent explicitly to the Jews peace be upon him. Muhammad peace be upon him, was sent to the whole of humanity to clear up the mistakes that the Christians do to Paul and other occult magicians corrupting religion from the inside out by using pagan belief systems instead of pure view of monotheism given by all true prophets. Did we obey the law relayed to us by God through his holy prophets sent to us for all ages? You see how Christianity has paved the road to hell with a false hope as people trust in the blood of Jesus to cover sins. Find Jesus once in the gospels talking about the power of his blood to cure sins. That’s all conjecture based on Paul who was trying to make sense out of something he was not a part of. Paul is not a prophet in fact if the scriptures tell us anything about him it’s that he was blinded and the story when told by Paul is different both times (which is clear warning by Luke in acts that the religion had been distorted.) Paul is (just) a scholar that’s it and people take his letters as law when we know that Jesus says if we don’t forgive others neither will our Heavenly Father forgive us. Jesus explicitly stated to a man asking how to enter eternal life: “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:25-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬ the word of the prophets is very clear and not something that is invalidated by one posing apostle. Claiming: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I cannot say more than enough times that it is by works that we save ourselves from the cycle of death. How many Catholic priest think that Jesus paid for their pedophilia?

I wasn’t really commenting on either religions understanding/view of magic.
This isn’t a religion forum so I was relating it to what we believe here which is the Law of One.

[loostudent]

1. I have over the years rubbed shoulders with a lot of fundamental Christians who basically believe everyone but them are going to hell so it isn't just a Muslim thing. I see it very much how the world works. For one to be winners others must lose. Separation consciousness at work. Why would any one of love/compassion want another punished? That is not understanding or forgiveness but the perpetuation of karma. Judge not lest the be judged.

Everything I had to say was destroying their belief system, so they decided to cut me out completely. Religion goes both ways. It’s always jihaad.

I'm sorry how some families, groups and countries deal with differences in religious conviction.

1. I think love can't be forced. Not only love between people but also faith. Free will is the essence of faith. If someone is forced or threatened to believe something or remain in belief that is no faith at all and no realization of truth (at least not a mature faith).

2. I also don't believe righteous life can be moulded in the stiff and monochrome letter of the written law implanted from outside. It's essentially listening to the inner voice.

"Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent then the one derived from fear of punishment." (Gandhi)

2.There is no folly in Jesus's offer to take on others karma. It is the magic of oneness that when we see each other as one we can heal and forgive on each others behalf.
It is occult magic and there is much of it in the bible.

The sacrament of that magical working of Jesus supposes on the teaching of his followers being "the body of Christ" -one with him, and he knows he is one with god.

The prayer during the mass where the congregations takes of his symbolic body, and blood and they become the body of Christ enables him to forgive them of their sins because they are now accepting their oneness with him.  Judge not lest the be judged and he doesn't.

I personally hope his magic works, we have punished ourselves and each other enough.
The way out is love/compassion/forgiveness of sins(errors) outside the veil we are one. We are one now.

In my opinion the Christ's grace of forgiveness and communion can aid you in freedom from sin but it doesn't take away personal responsibility. You have to have faith, forgive others, strive for good ... Freedom means that there is an equivalent pull of love and sin. Thus you are free to choose.

Churches prefer Holy Communion (or the Eucharist) and other rituals not to be termed as "magic" although it is called "white magic" in Ra's terminology. Churches that appreciate the "magical" nature of these practices call it sacraments. The word sacrament comes from sacred. When something is consecrated it is dedicated or set apart from daily secular usage and associated with the sacred. The object (or person) is not just symbolicaly transformed but it really becomes what it simbolizes although it usually appears unchanged outwardly. Ra said the food is "transmuted". In Catholic theology this change is called "transubstantiation".

64.4 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. Could you explain the basic principles behind the ritual which we perform to initiate the contact and what I would call the basic white magical rituals— principles of protection and other principles? Could you please do this?

Ra: I am Ra. Due to your avenue of question we perceive the appropriateness of inclusion of the cause of this instrument’s transitory vital energy distortion. The cause is a bias towards the yearning for expression of devotion to the One Creator in group worship.

This entity was yearning for this protection both consciously in that it responds to the accoutrements of this expression, the ritual, the colors and their meanings as given by the distortion system of what you call the church, the song of praise, and the combined prayers of thanksgiving and, most of all, that which may be seen to be most centrally magical, the intake of that food which is not of this dimension but has been transmuted into metaphysical nourishment in what this distortion of expression calls the holy communion.

The subconscious reason, it being the stronger for this yearning was the awareness that such expression is, when appreciated by an entity as the transmutation into the presence of the One Creator, a great protection of the entity as it moves in the path of service to others.

The principle behind any ritual of the white magical nature is to so configure the stimuli which reach down into the trunk of mind that this arrangement causes the generation of disciplined and purified emotion or love which then may be both protection and the key to the gateway to intelligent infinity.

88.19 ▶ Questioner: What did Ra use in third density?

Ra: I am Ra. You are aware in your attempts at magical visualization of the mental configuration of sometimes rather complex visualizations. These are mental and drawn with the mind. Another example well-known in your culture is the visualization, in your mass, of the distortion of the love of the One Infinite Creator called Christianity, wherein a small portion of your foodstuffs is seen to be a mentally configured but entirely real man, the man known to you as Jehoshua or, as you call this entity now, Jesus. It was by this method of sustained visualization over a period of training that we worked with these concepts.

Sorry for going off topic.

[Glow]

1. I have over the years rubbed shoulders with a lot of fundamental Christians who basically believe everyone but them are going to hell so it isn't just a Muslim thing. I see it very much how the world works. For one to be winners others must lose. Separation consciousness at work. Why would any one of love/compassion want another punished? That is not understanding or forgiveness but the perpetuation of karma. Judge not lest the be judged.

Everything I had to say was destroying their belief system, so they decided to cut me out completely.  Religion goes both ways. It’s always jihaad.

I'm sorry how some families, groups and countries deal with differences in religious conviction.

Good catch. I honestly missed that on my phone.

2.There is no folly in Jesus's offer to take on others karma. It is the magic of oneness that when we see each other as one we can heal and forgive on each others behalf.
It is occult magic and there is much of it in the bible.

The sacrament of that magical working of Jesus supposes on the teaching of his followers being "the body of Christ" -one with him, and he knows he is one with god.

The prayer during the mass where the congregations takes of his symbolic body, and blood and they become the body of Christ enables him to forgive them of their sins because they are now accepting their oneness with him.  Judge not lest the be judged and he doesn't.

I personally hope his magic works, we have punished ourselves and each other enough.
The way out is love/compassion/forgiveness of sins(errors) outside the veil we are one. We are one now.

In my opinion the Christ's grace of forgiveness and communion can aid you in freedom from sin but it doesn't take away personal responsibility. You have to have faith, forgive others, strive for good ... Freedom means that there is an equivalent pull of love and sin. Thus you are free to choose.

Churches prefer Holy Communion (or the Eucharist) and other rituals not to be termed as "magic" although it is called "white magic" in Ra's terminology. Churches that appreciate the "magical" nature of these practices call it sacraments. The word sacrament comes from sacred. When something is consecrated it is dedicated or set apart from daily secular usage and associated with the sacred. The object (or person) is not just symbolicaly transformed but it really becomes what it simbolizes although it usually appears unchanged outwardly. Ra said the food is "transmuted". In Catholic theology this change is called "transubstantiation".

I don't see it that way but it is completely ok with me we can see it different.
Law of confusion plays a large role in that I imagine.
All that is needed to stop the wheel of karma is forgiveness of others and forgiveness of self. They believe they are forgiven and they are asked to forgive others as they would have them self forgiven. Does everyone do it? No but the magic is there to be used a long with the intention of unity.
I am sure for some it works because I have met/known beautiful, innocent, quite pure hearted people who followed that path.

I myself experienced the magic part at 17 when I was first going to commit suicide due to much physical/emotional/other abuse and instead prayed the prayer asking Christ to be my savior. The magic of one-ness(which is part of that prayer) committed to really was a metaphysical change. 24 years ago there was no internet, I had never heard of kundalini, energy healing, or chakras but that night only hours after I prayed I had the most profound heart chakra re-awakening and my first visions about energy healing were given to me via what I now know as the third eye.

I have not feared death from that moment on. I am sure I came with heart chakra and third eye open(I remember stuff from very early) but they had closed due to lifes trauma. There is no personal responsibility for me involved, I could not knowingly, willfully cause harm. The magic sometimes works.
But that is just my experience, we wont know for sure what did what for whom in this incarnation.

[flofrog]

I don't see it that way but it is completely ok with me we can see it different.
Law of confusion plays a large role in that I imagine.
All that is needed to stop the wheel of karma is forgiveness of others and forgiveness of self. They believe they are forgiven and they are asked to forgive others as they would have them self forgiven. Does everyone do it. No but the magic is there to be used a long with the intention of unity.
I am sure for some it works because I have met/known beautiful, innocent, quite pure hearted people who followed that path.

I myself experienced the magic part at 17 when I was first going to commit suicide do to much physical/emotional/other abuse and instead prayed the prayer asking Christ to be my savior. The magic of one-ness(which is art of that prayer) commited to really was a metaphysical change. 24 years ago there was no internet, I had never heard of kundalini, energie healing, or chakras but that night only hours after I prayed I had the most profound heart chakra re-awakening and my first visions about energy healing were given to me via what I now know as the third eye.

I have not feared death from that moment on. I am sure I came with heart chakra and third eye open(I remember stuff from very early) but they had closed due to lifes trauma. There is no personal responsibility for me involved I could not knowingly willfully cause harm. The magic sometimes works.
But that is just my experience, we wont know for sure what did what for whom in this incarnation.

This is really beautiful, Glow, thank you for sharing.
There’s no doubt we are helped when we ask for it, but to have complete trust we will is so important. Really beautiful, Glow.

I am struck, as I sometimes have time to read all the daily threads here, at the amount of non forgiveness we have for ourselves. It is so sad sometimes, and yet of course part of the process, to get to the point. I still think we do our best at the given difficult moment. Sometimes, years after, we feel our best was pretty low


I know little of Islam in depth, but it seems to me the weight of self guilt in it is pretty huge.

[AnthroHeart]

You have a great heart flofrog. I really enjoy reading what you say.
I'm glad you mention the importance of forgiveness and not carrying guilt.

[flofrog]

You have a great heart flofrog. I really enjoy reading what you say.
I'm glad you mention the importance of forgiveness and not carrying guilt.

ditto to you Wolf

[Glow]

This is really beautiful, Glow, thank you for sharing.
There’s no doubt we are helped when we ask for it,  but to have complete trust we will is so important.  Really beautiful, Glow.

I am struck, as I sometimes have time to read all the daily threads here, at the amount of non forgiveness we have for ourselves. It is so sad sometimes, and yet of course part of the process, to get to the point. I still think we do our best at the given difficult moment. Sometimes, years after, we feel our best was pretty low


I know little of Islam in depth, but it seems to me the weight of self guilt in it is pretty huge.

Thank you for reading it with intent to understand. I typed it on my phone and wow lots of typos. lol

I agree with you about the lack of self forgiveness. I understand how that becomes part of the inner dialogue because from every angle we are taught self judgement, which enables people to continue judging others despite their intention.

It is sort of an "I am bad but they are worse" situation.
Granted religion plays a part in developing that inner critic but to use religion frame work I really see that as the exile from eden story being perpetuated to the present.

We ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was poison, it separates us from returning to Eden.
We were warned to not eat the fruit. If we want to go back to Eden we must stop eating the poison fruit and heal from it.
Stop feeding it to one another.

Like you said we do are best. Part of self forgiveness is knowing that is enough. God isn't judging, we are.

[Glow]

You have a great heart flofrog. I really enjoy reading what you say.
I'm glad you mention the importance of forgiveness and not carrying guilt.

ditto to you Wolf

ditto you both

[AnthroHeart]

I am an INTP personality type. While I do judge, I am not the INTJ judgment personality type.
Though I might even be an INFP. I'm not really sure.