RA's distortions

[AnthroHeart]

So with this pure creative energy, is anything we create original, or a first time creation?

Only relative to ones incarnate awareness, meaning, it might be "new" to some particular personality or entities awareness, which of course is created through focus and limitation, but nothing is new to source in my opinion. Infinity is infinity, it cannot become more infinite, or less infinite.

So in some strictly technical sense, nothing is a unique creation, but in a practical sense, yes, because we, as subsets of the creator, are always creating the experience of "newness". It isn't an addition to infinity, rather, it is an practical experience embedded in infinity. That's the whole point of individuating, to experience the growth, the newness, the discovery (which again is not adding anything to infinity, it is simply a lower, always existing, energy shell of that infinity). As Ra says, this is an alternative, chosen by each of us, to understanding the complete unity of thought that binds all things.

By the time we get there, will we still want to create the stuff we want to create in 3D? Or all the stuff we desire here will be long forgotten?

[anagogy]

By the time we get there, will we still want to create the stuff we want to create in 3D? Or all the stuff we desire here will be long forgotten?

In my opinion, you will no longer have wants by that point. You can't want for what you already have. Only appreciate.

[Jade]

Ra says that if we fantasize about it hard enough, it is created on another level of reality. So I would think that, after we transition into the next body, that we might spend some time visiting those crazy realities we created through our 3D imaginations. So, if we wanted it badly enough while we were here, it will be waiting for us when we transition.

16.54 Questioner: Does what we do, when we think of possibilities that can occur, say daydreaming: Do these become real in these densities?

Ra: I am Ra. This depends upon the nature of the daydream. This is a large subject. Perhaps the simplest thing we can say is, if the daydream, as you call it, is one which attracts to self, this then becomes reality to self. If it is contemplative general daydream, this may enter the infinity of possibility/probability complexes and occur elsewhere, having no particular attachment to the energy fields of the creator.

16.55 Questioner: To make this a little more clear, if I were to daydream strongly about building a ship, would this occur in one of these other densities?

Ra: I am Ra. This would, would have, or shall occur.

[anagogy]

I agree Jade, but I think IGW was referencing something more like nirvana.

[Jade]

Ah, my apologies for not following the thread more closely. But I still think it is applicable - going "backwards", we can see the realities that we "had desired" while incarnate in our 3D state.

[unir 1]

Verum Occultum,

sorry for responding so late. It's taken me some days to compile things from the Ra Material, sort the pertinent from the impertinent; I've also gotten distracted with some information I've revisited, I thought the absence wouldn't be noticed but I have to address it. OP, sorry again for this digression, but it does seem the way of the forum so I might be apologizing too much. And Verum, I will return soon, maybe today or tomorrow with the proper response to #20.

[Verum Occultum]

No problems, my friend. You don't have to apologize. Just please take the time you need

[Saiyan]

Just a thought I had as it seems that exposure to the Law of One tends to produce 'interesting' experiences for those that enjoy it.

Dear GentleReckoning,

I'm sorry for going off-topic.

Would you mind telling me what have you meant with this sentence?

Thanks in advance..

[GentleReckoning]

Just a thought I had as it seems that exposure to the Law of One tends to produce 'interesting' experiences for those that enjoy it.

Dear GentleReckoning,

I'm sorry for going off-topic.

Would you mind telling me what have you meant with this sentence?

Thanks in advance..

I was pretty much sane before encountering the Law of One. Since encountering the Law of One, I dropped most fear,  moved to Thailand for a couple months, came back to the states, lived with my parents, created a conscious entity in my imagination that was magical and wonderful, then went insane, became that personality. My friends regarded me as some kind of spiritual entity looking to me for advice on meditation and other things. I had ridiculous personal 'gravity' and charisma. Then I took a development intensive, unlocked anger and am now in the process of learning to play at a very deep level. And I plan to change the world in a significant way for mainstream seekers.

Probably get a doctorate in psychology or just start kickstarting businesses. Or both. Dunno. Last time I was in CO and smoked, I felt the orb of the sun god above my head and some other interesting stuff. I'm not 'that' functional yet, but I'm moving a large amount of shame, anger, and rage up through my body. Last year it was at apathy, suicide, and depression, but I've almost got it up to love. (when you're conscious of the process and in the midst of intense delayed catalyst, it's a b**** to open the heart, but I think I'm almost there....)

Also, I do something with challenging/accepting ghosts. I do it intuitively, but when I sense an entity that causes me to perceive fear, I invite it into my energy body, and then let it process it's catalyst through my past experiences and I perhaps let it create experiences in my reality to allow it to learn. Not really sure, because my third eye is far from being open, and I'm not in any kind of contact with any kind of seer/oracle/evolved seeker that I trust. Anyway, as I do this, I may make use of their mental body? Not really sure, but I've become very, very creative as I've developed on this path.

So TLDR My life went to s***, gained greatly increased awareness, creativity, sensitivity, but have strong adhd and mild schizophrenic symptoms. I kind of view the LOO as a portal to a certain place of increased influence in the world if used in that capacity. But I admit that there is a large amount of my history present in my current circumstances.

[unir 1]

Verum, before I go on to the actual reply, let me elaborate on that statement I made earlier:

"While there is a difference between density experience, no density experience beyond our own can be understood by a third-density being."

When I wrote this, specifically the part saying "density experience beyond our own ," I was thinking about the higher densities like the fourth, fifth, etc.

In essence, and to recap, I was stating that no third-density human could understand the sort of experience that is the fourth density, the fifth density, etc.


That's what I understood from Ra in a certain few sessions/answers. Mostly that we graduate from this density to the next, so I understood that this implied we cannot know another density experience until we've met the prerequisite: graduation to the next density, or placement in a different density (for Wanderers who are not particularly native to the 4th-density).


Despite what you've written, I'm still not fully convinced otherwise. I'd agree that this isn't the most important matter when it comes to the Ra Material...
Anyways, these Ra quotes/answers might not be all of the answers that gave me my impression, but they're the ones I can remember, and they nevertheless played their part in shaping the idea:

Ra: I am Ra. To speak of that which sixth-density social memory complexes labor within in order to advance is at best misprision of plain communication for much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density, and the discussion of sixth density is inevitably distorted greatly. [...]

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(64.6)

I take it that sixth-density experience can hardly be understood, if at all, or properly described to a third-density entity.

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are no words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words.


That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of the vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

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(16.50)

I mean...can you honestly say you're ever in fourth density if you're incarnate on Earth as one of us? There are dual-activated bodies, and certain, presumably psychic experiences which....well, I'll talk about the dual-activated bodies in my next post.

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.


Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?

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(62.29)

If I activated the astral body, which can be understood to be the green-ray energy body, ...would I see fourth-density entities or understand fourth-density experience? I haven't done that, but I reckon if I did activate an energy body such as that one which corresponds to a color-ray higher than the yellow-ray, it would be an out-of-body experience certainly.

Ra: I am Ra. This query is misguided, for experience in fourth density is emphatically not the same as third-density experience. [...]

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(43.29)

So...
These gave me the impression that higher densities are far more different than what we could imagine or experience. Well, mostly the first quote gave me that impression. There are other answers from Ra, ones that talk about densities and energy bodies, that led me to believe that "we"—that is, each and every one of us as human individuals—are only ever within third-density, possessing the consciousness typical of third density. And I concluded that until the bond to the third-density body is no more (the death of the body, but if the entity is harvestable, there is no true need to return to the third density through reincarnation), we will always be within third-density.

Allow me to elaborate on this point about the afterlife.

The answers Ra gives concerning post-death have led me to believe that even after a human dies, he/she is within third-density: the entity is simply upon the inner planes, the metaphysical plane, undergoing review or healing with their very own indigo-ray body being activated immediately after the deactivation of the yellow-ray/third-density body (47.11)...or in other words, it activates after the "death" of the third-density entity.
So: a human dies, they go to the metaphysical plane of 3D (Aleister Crowley for example again ("your inner planes"): 18.10) with their indigo-ray body activated. That's what I understand.

There is an exception. If the will of the entity is so strongly focused on it's, now gone, life that the mind/body/spirit complex basically becomes a "ghost". (47.13)

(I'm still upset that I put this off for more than a week.)

As for understanding an experience of the lower densities...well, see, that's where I'm technically wrong.

I reckon we constantly understand what the lower densities are like, since the first two densities concern the use of the mind/body, with an overlaid third-density energy body (which is an activated body as long as the human is either alive or "conscious" of third density...) ....as I was saying, we exist in the first two densities automatically with an overlaid third-density body upon the previous two (but the 3D body is most noticeably upon the second-density (or "orange-ray") body) and this setup enables individual self-awareness and will, and enables a sort of "interface" or an interesting realm of learning which centers around the self & other-self and self as seen in relation to the concept of other-selves.

Finally, I want to point out that "overlaid" concept. It's what I imagine acts as a filter for third-density entities when they activate the higher energy bodies. It effectively keeps an entity in "3D", making every experience a third-density one, making every energy body experience one to add in front of the overarching question, "have you committed to a single, harvestable service yet?"

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I got lost with what I had to do in this thread. Luckily I divided my task and clarified on a part that kept messing me up. It's finally out of the way. I will reply to your post as soon as I can, Verum. A lot of it is already written, I got the hang of it, but if I delay again... :@ my apologies (yes I read that last post).

[unir 1]

How do you suppose wanderers can move from higher densities to third density? If that is possible, then would not the opposite phenomenon be possible, not merely after physical death, but in incarnation in out-of-body states.

First part
There are three movement methods: one method is travel by thought, another by incarnation, and the last is by the use of material craft. The latter is the least important as it won't normally apply to Wanderers, and it is not a type of movement from a higher density to a lower density in the sense that the Wanderer entity would truly experience the vibration of the lower density.

Through incarnation to our third-density, the Wanderer...well, I haven't understood the "descent" precisely, but what I understand is that the Wanderer connects it's own mind/body/spirit complex to the DNA or the genetics of the human body (65.19). This is accomplished somehow, but it should be noted that since the Earth is in a quarantine, Wanderers cannot do this movement between densities on a whim...I think. They must possess some clearance to do this apparently, so I would presume that the incarnation process, the connection of the Wanderer's mind/body/spirit complex into the human's genetics, is a process guarded carefully. Please remember that for the next method. In the end of this process, there is an incarnated Wanderer who is now human and on Earth, and a part of third-density.

Thought-travel requires the discipline of the personality which is a work typical to fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density (51.2). It's not limited to those densities; that is to say, the third-density entity can begin the discipline of the personality (the discipline of the personality is part of indigo-ray work) (52.7). But the experience of using thought-travel to move between loci and to move across densities within the Universe is an experience of the fourth, fifth, and sixth densities (see 51.2 again).
Okay, this is the part I asked to be remembered.
Since thought-travel is one means of movement, I assume Wanderers do not arrive to our planet by way of concentrating on the vibrations of our density (12.17) in order to "descend" into third-density and thus appear visible.

Rather than that, I assume Wanderers arrive to Earth by: (1) having clearance to pass the quarantine; (2) lowering their vibration to third density, to arrive at one of the inner planes of third-density, and there establishing pre-incarnative circumstances for itself and perhaps with other entities within that metaphysical plane of third-density; (3) and residing not by thought, but by inhabiting, with full presence of the mind/body/spirit complex, the physical human body...but being veiled so that the energy centers are not activated, nor the energy bodies, until the human consciously decides to do this work.

Second part
So that's how I suppose Wanderers move from their higher densities to lower ones like the third.
Can we do the opposite, move from our density to a higher density?
Only under one condition, but otherwise no. The discipline required to move between densities is one which is only just begun in third density. The actual loci of each density must be supported by a planet, or else where would the 3D entity go in their "higher" form? To third-density Earth or its inner planes? Yes there are seven Earths as my previous post mentioned. But those must be potentiated by the planet when it becomes a planet of a greater density, being capable of housing entities of higher vibrations.

The one condition is one which I don't fully understand myself...it has to do with tapping into the violet-ray energy center. You quoted a passage from the Ra Material about that, and the activation of the violet-ray center may have to do with the discipline of the personality that I mentioned in the first part. But through reading I've understood that the indigo-ray energy center is that which opens the gateway to intelligent infinity...
Again, I did read your post and the quote. But in certain session it is stated that the violet-ray cannot be manipulated (15.12)...and yet at least 3 negatively oriented entities have used, or rather penetrated, this energy center (11.8, 11.9). ?? Confusing, but anyways.

About your quote, and the discipline of the personality which I posit is key to any movement across densities.

Your quote:

Ra (17.18): "Know then, first, the mind and the body. Then as the spirit is integrated and synthesized, those are harmonized into a mind/body/spirit complex which can move among the dimensions and which can open the gateway to intelligent infinity..."

What I've found:

Ra (52.7): Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality.

Ra (74.11): I am Ra. The heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. One, know yourself. Two, accept yourself. Three, become the Creator.


The third step is that step which, when accomplished, renders one the most humble servant of all, transparent in personality and completely able to know and accept other-selves. In relation to the pursuit of the magical working the continuing discipline of the personality involves the adept in knowing itself, accepting itself, and thus clearing the path towards the great indigo gateway to the Creator. To become the Creator is to become all that there is. There is then no personality in the sense with which the adept begins its learn/teaching. As the consciousness of the indigo ray becomes more crystalline, more work may be done; more may be expressed from intelligent infinity.

Ra (32.14): The indigo ray is opened only through considerable discipline and practice largely having to do with acceptance of self, not only as the polarized and balanced self but as the Creator, as an entity of infinite worth. This will begin to activate the indigo ray.

Finally (third part)
One thing we have to note is that the planet Earth cannot house entities of a higher vibration than fourth-density just yet. Entities of a higher-density nature must descend into the appropriate vibratory rate of the planet. So for someone to travel from this our third-density to another density, that someone must go to a different planet. However, entities may move about the inner planes of third density. There are enlightened beings and teachers there according to Ra. (17.37) I've never been to an inner plane, not that I can remember. But the way I see it, the inner planes are very likely what 3D entities are visiting. Not densities. I believe the energy bodies are the "vehicles" for the sub-densities/inner planes of third-density, and nirvana, in terms of locus is on a higher inner plane, perhaps the devachanic, while in terms of one's state of being it is a closing in of focus on the original thought. Again, I'd redirect you to session 17.37.

So to conclude, you can move across densities as a third-density human...if you have the discipline of an adept and/or white magician...and/or begin the work of a higher density. Otherwise, I'm saying movement across densities is not possible. Incarnation is out of the picture, since a 3D human can't do it in reverse to enter a higher density while incarnate (i think), and a Wanderer incarnate can't reverse this either...least not without the aforementioned indigo-ray ability. Travel by craft is impertinent. I was gonna talk about dual-activated bodies but...they don't seem important yet.

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I want to separate these posts....but Verum, if you think I've sufficiently addressed your post, feel free to tell me. I think I got to the core of it. I was planning on trying to address your interpretation and the rest of your post next.

[Verum Occultum]

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I want to separate these posts....but Verum, if you think I've sufficiently addressed your post, feel free to tell me. I think I got to the core of it. I was planning on trying to address your interpretation and the rest of your post next.

Feel free.

[herald]

Unir 1 "I was gonna talk about dual-activated bodies but...they don't seem important yet.
 
Whenever you are ready... Please go ahead. I am looking forward to it.

[unir 1]

[Movement from density to density...] Perhaps it is like using an elevator. You can go up and down. Though this is a rough analogy. According to Bashar some people visit 5D, 6D and even 7D temporarily in DMT trips. I don't believe the densities are somewhere "out there", but are an expression of the inner self and its development. They are within one's mind, within the (subjective) universal mind. In climbing the steps of light, it only seems that you are ascending to a different outer environment, but really you are bringing more of your multidimensional inner environment into manifestation, into an understandable platform of experience. At least this is my interpretation.

 In my understanding, you can move across densities if you have the body capable of doing this. Let's look back at the "Wanderers". They are entities from densities higher than our own; that is, their native realm of experience is denser than ours. No wait, let's look to the human: the human has third-density activated body, the "yellow-ray" body.

47.10 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body in potentiation is used to create the chemical arrangement that I have as a physical body now. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect only in that in your present incarnation the yellow-ray body is not in potentiation but in activation, it being that body which is manifest.

This body, which we each may call our own individual body, is apparently not just an overlaid interface as I put it in a previous post.
It is that body which was the result of graduation of the second-density bipedal form. As a result of the second-density graduation into third-density, there was a new body to enable the experience which is third-density.
I presume that this body arranged the second density form, which, being a mind/body complex suited for graduation, had attained third-density consciousness, in a fashion as to consistently sustain a basic third-density consciousness (20.4) and thus set the foundation for the third-density experience within the new physical body as the bodies later reproduced themselves bisexually. And, even later, grew in self-awareness.
This is not accounting for the genetic manipulations of the Guardians...

21.8 Questioner: I don’t mean to be covering ground that we’ve already covered[...]


So at the start of this 75,000-year cycle we know that the quarantine was set up. I am assuming then that the Guardians were aware of the infringements on free will that would occur if they didn’t set this up at that time and therefore did it. This— Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially incorrect. The incorrectness is as follows: those entities whose third-density experience upon your Red Planet was brought to a close prematurely were aided genetically while being transferred to this third density. This, although done in a desire to aid, was seen as infringement upon free will. The light quarantine which consists of the Guardians, or gardeners as you may call them, which would have been in effect thus was intensified.

I spoke in general.
There are bipedal second-density entities who did not meet graduation requirements and therefore did not themselves attain the third-density body/form when second-density ended on this planet. (20.2) By saying "second-density ended on this planet", I mean that the vibration of the planet began to receive those vibrations of the yellow-ray or third-density. In the same way, the core atomic vibrations of fourth density had begun to be received by Earth in order to form the fourth-density planet. Thus, third-density has in a sense "ended". The Earth still has core vibrations of the red spectrum, this being the planet itself; it had at a point in the past received core atomic vibrations of the orange spectrum, this producing the second-density entities; and presumably, the third- or yellow-ray density vibrations were sent to the planet as well, thus producing our third-density entities at a point in time. However, third density not only consists of ourselves but also of our "artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings" (63.32).

(To get the idea of core atomic vibration: 40.5, 40.3)
(The planet "receiving" vibrations...: 13.23, 63.29)

The harvest (a bit different from graduation) for third-density entities had begun sometime within the past several years, it seems (17.29). ...
As I understand it, third-density entities may graduate whenever they have learned the lessons of love, and/or balanced the minimally activated six energy centers (in order to sustain love/light; the seventh, violet-ray energy center is one which balances itself and indicates the vibration of the entity; these allow a "white light" to flow through, intelligent energy (not intelligent infinity, which is the potential; intelligent energy is that potential tapped and used for work...).

Let me expand on graduation.

Ra (40.4) : It is necessary for graduation across densities for the primary energy centers to be functioning in such a way as to communicate with intelligent infinity and to appreciate and bask in this light in all of its purity.

In this density, third-density, we only need to take in our experience and react to it spontaneously, thus taking experience in full, then distilling, in reflection or meditation, love/light from our experience. (41.19)
Through our sincerity along this process, we may experience the energy center activations: we may experience the compassion and "love" which is of the green-ray energy center; we may experience communication of our mind/spirit understanding which is the blue-ray energy center, etc (15.12).
Again, be sincere. What do you really want? I may say examine your desire, know yourself, accept yourself, to speak tritely and vaguely about what you may do for graduation [Be careful, Be thoughtful]. And again, the energy centers may be activated but you ought to pay attention to the totality of your experience (41.19 again).
Once the energy centers are balanced, you are quite honestly entering by the energy centers red-through-to-indigo to the violet-ray which is the gateway to intelligent infinity.
You could then leave this density (14.16), unless you wish to stay. In other densities the energy centers are again the focus of work, but they are to be refined (41.16). In fourth-density, the green-ray vibration of love is experienced, love is refined. All these later densities have to do with extremely subtle and constant balances between and/or of the higher energy centers (64.6). (All while you experience the vibrations of such densities which, to give a sample, are of Love:

27.13 Questioner: Is Love— is there a manifestation of love that we could call vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. Again we reach semantic difficulties. The vibration or density of love or understanding is not a term used in the same sense as the second distortion, Love; the distortion Love being the great activator and primal co-Creator of various creations using intelligent infinity; the vibration love being that density in which those who have learned to do an activity called “loving” without significant distortion, then seek the ways of light or wisdom. Thus in vibratory sense love comes into light in the sense of the activity of unity in its free will. Love uses light and has the power to direct light in its distortions. Thus vibratory complexes recapitulate in reverse the creation in its unity, thus showing the rhythm or flow of the great heartbeat, if you will use this analogy.

)

Finally, you may enter the seventh density....supposedly the violet ray if we are looking at our own energy centers, yet the eighth density, which ends this octave and begins the next one, is claimed as the violet-ray density, I think; it is also the first density of the next octave of densities. Ra is within the sixth density of our octave.

At the end of this octave you may know the Original Thought itself, the creator, in full.
Every octave is different, builds upon the last octave, but comes from the infinity which was always in potential and which was experienced individually and in group, I suppose.

Back to where I was:

Keeping in mind the notion that we may each "graduate" at any time, harvest, then, basically means that the time for reincarnations of those humans present on Earth, is over; we may not return to this planet to re-incarnate and repeat third-density if we, at the end of our individual incarnation, need to; each one will either graduate -- that is, be harvestable -- or we won't. Those who repeat will experience the after-life at the end of the incarnation and then essentially continue where one had left off (I think that's how it works). If there was any karma, it will be taken and the entity will be bound to the density until the karma is alleviated in it's own unique way (see 34.4 and 34.5; many of the Maldek entities had karma from their third-density experience and decided to alleviate this quite strangely on our planet (10.1); Wanderers who incarnate may if stay in the major cycle of third-density due to karma (12.28, 16.61)).

Third-density entities who were harvestable, and who have returned in dual-activated bodies will be the ones who reproduce and gradualy create the type of fourth-density body complex which experiences fourth-density if I understand this correctly. If not this, then simple third-density entities who are harvestable will reproduce and birth the dual-activated bodies:

63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of which we spoke, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, are they the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?

Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true-color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

Apart from that trivial information, the dual-activated bodies are those which have the third-density body in activation and the fourth-density body in activation simultaneously. This enables them to appreciate the vibrations of fourth-density which are fully upon this planet at this time...

63.13  Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.


This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

That penultimate sentence is one I would've used in my post earlier, to argue that a third-density entity cannot experience the fourth-density, but it could easily be countered with the idea that there are different bodies for different vibrations. Nevertheless, the third-density body itself cannot be fully "electrically" aware of the fourth-density.
However, the dual-activated bodies which are transitional bodies of third-to-fourth density evolution may be so electrically aware of the next density, aware to an unstated degree.
Moreover, I will make another point on what that penultimate sentence also implies: that in theory the entity may be aware of the density. The consciousness is unaffected it seems, but the body is affected to the point that it would "fail", or cease functioning electrically I take it to mean. I will use this to bolster my point that an entity of third cannot take in experience above their own density...at least not fully. The body in which we find ourselves incarnate has it's limits as to what vibrations it can experience. The balanced energy centers, allowing the light of the creator to flow through, may be the ultimate limit. The consciousness, however, may not have any limit.


For one (an entity) to have an energy body in activation, one must place the consciousness in a different plane or "state". This area of placement, I believe, is what you referred to as one's self or inner universe.

So consciousness can be placed in different planes, basically. What I must understand is the relationship between the body in a plane, the body, and if applicable the "state".
Ra uses the term "etheric state" when referring to how a healer places consciousness in the indigo-ray body:

47.8 Ra: I am Ra. [...] The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.


The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.

Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life beingness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex.

Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state.[...]

So what is the etheric state? Or any "state", as it relates to the energy bodies? Is it just the material of the body?
My best guess is that the "states" in which consciousness may be placed, is composed of both the nature of the energy body and the nature of the plane upon which that body exists.

30.2 Questioner: Thank you. Would you define mind, body, and spirit separately?

Ra: I am Ra. These terms are all simplistic descriptive terms which equal a complex of energy focuses; the body, as you call it, being the material of the density which you experience at a given space/time or time/space; this complex of materials being available for distortions of what you would call physical manifestation.

The material of the energy body in the sub-density of third-density...is of importance to this matter then....


These energy bodies are also rarely referred to as "subtle bodies" (47.8) in the Ra Material.
We possess these subtle bodies at all times, they may be activated, consciousness placed upon them.

However the nature of placing consciousness there is not something I understand at this point. I understand that consciousness is usually left for the third-density body. We are conscious when we are awake, when we are not sleeping, resting, or otherwise unconscious. And I believe concentration, meditation, or "trance states" enable an entity to attempt to get a feel for and access the more subtle bodies. But what do these bodies allow? Where do they lie?

We have a mind, body, spirit. The spirit is the shuttle to intelligent infinity.

(from 30.2 again) Ra: [...]that shuttle which we call the spirit complex.


This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.

I think of the spirit [complex] as a hall or corridor to simplify, or rather symbolize, the shuttle concept.
Consciousness being funnelled means it may be pushed upward once the entity itself is doing the work of the adept, conscious work on the indigo-ray energy center, allowing the upward spiraling light which enters from the first energy center, the red-ray energy center reach upward to that sixth, indigo-ray, energy center.

54.27 Questioner: [(From the previous question) Can you describe the energy that enters any of these energy centers? Can you describe its path from its origin, its form, and its effect?] Would you please do that?


Ra: The origin of all energy is the action of free will upon love. The nature of all energy is light. The means of its ingress into the mind/body/spirit complex is duple.

Firstly, there is the inner light which is Polaris of the self, the guiding star. This is the birthright and true nature of all entities. This energy dwells within.

The second point of ingress is the polar opposite of the North Star, shall we say, and may be seen, if you wish to use the physical body as an analog for the magnetic field, as coming through the feet from the earth and through the lower point of the spine. This point of ingress of the universal light energy is undifferentiated until it begins its filtering process through the energy centers. The requirements of each center and the efficiency with which the individual has learned to tap into the inner light determine the nature of the use made by the entity of these instreamings.

Energy, termed "light", flows upward from the first energy center: the red-ray.
This is where it begins to enter the mind/body/spirit complex. The "light" is red first, energizing or filtering as the red-ray energy. The light, if there be no blockage in its path, energizes the subsequent energy centers.

(57.33) Ra: [...] The purpose of clearing each energy center is to allow that meeting place to occur at the indigo-ray vibration, thus making contact with intelligent infinity and dissolving all illusions. [...]

(49.6) Ra: [...]Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.[...]

The inner light, referred to as the Polaris of the self, is that which makes you the creator seeking, it is that light which has created you anyways, beforehand.

There is a distinct difference in vibratory experience between densities....but the matter at hand isn't that they are or aren't distinct. Anyone can claim to have reached a different density while incarnate. Because they felt something unspeakable which was likely due to contact with intelligent infinity (34.2, 80.22).
The matter is whether we, humans, may travel between densities.

And for that, this post and the previous two substantial posts are all the argument I have so far.

Here's a too long; didn't read:


-You could activate the denser bodies, the energy bodies, and become god-like within this density. Within our third-density.

-But within this density, the ultimate lesson to be learned is the way of love -- preparing for either love of self or having learned love of self & other-self, to the extent of harvestability, indicated by your minimally activated energy centers being balanced according to your unique configuration, thus enabling harvestability to fourth-density, or in any case graduation. However, some of you may have come to serve. Others may simply wish to gain the experience here to polarize greatly in their home, higher densities. Doesn't change the graduation requirements, or the discipline needed to traverse a density. Anyways, there are two paths. Either way, please try not to suffer too much.

-You cannot travel across densities (I would expect this more easily done by Wanderers who may have come from higher densities than fourth; meaning you are only able to move to the fourth density if you are not a Wanderer or entity 'originally' from a higher density than fourth; and yet, it is quite impractical to move to preceding densities, for the learning gained in a given density is the foundation for the next to come)...again, you cannot travel across densities without tapping into violet-ray, which I believe is "accessed", or rather the intelligent infinity from it is received, through the balancing of all color rays beginning with the red-ray up to the indigo-ray energy center.

-"Wanderers": you do have energy bodies like, but you have "old" (according to time) lessons you've forgotten from the densities which you've already experienced. I would assume the shape of the energy bodies of your human self are different than the shape of the energy bodies of your Wanderer-self, that is, your body as it was before incarnation. Not sure how that works. But you are totally third-density now. Even- if you activate those bodies, they enable the consciousness to be placed in ....a different place. I believe this "different place" is actually the energy body....if not, "it" is the inner plane, one of the appropriate higher sub-densities of third density which correspond to the energy body being activated. You are still within third-density deciding who to serve. You may have pierced the Veil at that point. It's your choice what to do, you will have your own realizations as long as you're here.

-Consciousness: ??? We possess it, I guess. That's all I understand so far.

-Energy bodies: not too sure about this either. Haven't learned much about it by searching sessions, in no particular order, from the Ra Material. After rereading my next point I have to say that energy bodies must have to do with travel within the inner planes, as consciousness accesses the bodies, and as an entity is probably unconscious in the third-density body. Still not sure.

-Each octave has seven densities, without exception I presume. Within each density, say for example our third-density, there are seven sub-densities. Within each sub-density, there are seven more sub-densities, infinitely. (16.51). But this is a little bit more difficult. Q: Where do the sub-densities lie? A: In third density. The inner planes, or invisible planes, are metaphysical. We inhabit sub-planes in third-density due to our vibratory nature in third-density. Sub-planes are not the same as inner planes. Sub-planes simply have to do with the nature of the energy centers which we are penetrating at the time. We may meet others who penetrate certain energy centers, other people who penetrate more than one, and those individuals can thus be said to be penetrating several planes at a time. The more focused you are on one energy center, the more you are experiencing the sub-plane corresponding to that energy center. This was hard to derive from 17.38 but I don't think it's a stretch.

-I trust Ra's information far more than I trust Bashar's. If necessary, I would compare what Bashar has to say and if it did not align with what Ra has had to say, I would disregard that Bashar entity's information. That entity's information so far does not align with what I understand.

-You need planets for densities. A density is not within you, but the several energy/dense bodies are 'within' you. One cannot potentiate a density, but one may potentiate an energy center or an energy body even, all of them potentially, given that the entity is in self-aware form.

-Chemical trips: if they do not meet the "discipline of personality" requirements or graduation requirements, then I at least can say the trips do not allow for movement across densities.

-Finally: I digressed alot here. But I really liked writing most of this stuff. I probably won't be revising this one any time soon.

I haven't directly replied to your sentences, quoting them and addressing them so, but I think that the material, here and in a previous post, which I've written covers the important points of your post sufficiently, and my replies toward that post are finished. But, your final quote tells me that the person who wrote those lines has consideration of their body form beyond the human bodily form.

Alright (sigh). Thank you.

[Patrick]

48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

48.8 Questioner: Who shall we say supervises the determination of further incarnation needs and sets up the seniority list, shall I say, for incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a query with two answers.

Firstly, there are those directly under the Guardians who are responsible for the incarnation patterns of those incarnating automatically, that is, without conscious self-awareness of the process of spiritual evolution. You may call these beings angelic if you prefer. They are, shall we say, “local” or of your planetary sphere.

The seniority of vibration is to be likened unto placing various grades of liquids in the same glass. Some will rise to the top; others will sink to the bottom. Layers and layers of entities will ensue. As harvest draws near, those filled with the most light and love will naturally, and without supervision, be in line, shall we say, for the experience of incarnation.

When the entity becomes aware in its mind/body/spirit complex totality of the mechanism for spiritual evolution it, itself, will arrange and place those lessons and entities necessary for maximum growth and expression of polarity in the incarnative experience before the forgetting process occurs. The only disadvantage of this total free will of those senior entities choosing the manner of incarnation experiences is that some entities attempt to learn so much during one incarnative experience that the intensity of catalyst disarranges the polarized entity and the experience thus is not maximally useful as intended.

It seems to me that you are simply going too fast.  Faster than you can comfortably go.
 
EDIT: I see this was already said here: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid210338
 

[native]

A consistent message I receive is to slow down. Anyone else get that? Even stubbing toes, dropping things, etc. seems to be offering something.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm experiencing being in line with my higher self. I am seeing synchronicities and meeting some people online who think like I do.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

A thought I had was that through the channeling process, energies not available here on earth are transferred to us in 3rd density. Through this process, Ra can transfer it's own distortions (aka problems) to those working behind the veil.

I mean, technically it'd be impossible to have this not occur.

Just a thought I had as it seems that exposure to the Law of One tends to produce 'interesting' experiences for those that enjoy it.

What do you think?

That makes some sense to me, or at least carries some resonation with me. What comes to mind was a fairly recent convo I had in my headd about Ra in which I imagined explaining the "folly" of Ra's naive past decisions, and connected the topic in my head to the dark knight of the soul experiences I've been clearing. As I explained and quickly made these connections during the explanation, the explanation started to somehow morph into a weird sort of... I guess you would say prayer? And it was to Ra, basically telling him it's okay the mistakes he made and that he can forgive himself cause if he'd never made the mistakes he'd made, we wouldn't have learned all we have learned. And I thanked him for co-creating Nova Gaia with us. It had not occurred to me that some of Ra's energy may be on the planet for clearing. However, if that is the case then perhaps that may explain what happened there. At any rate, if it helped Ra, then I'd say I'm glad to have been able to help

[ada]

Dark night of the soul you mean, EvolvingPhoenix?