An Apology to The Original Thought

[Aion]

We're just being ourselves, dude.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

So that's why I can't have nice things?

Haha, kidding.  Still.  Its like my point went right out the window.  Was a little disheartening, made me sad yo.

[Aion]

Are you sure you're not holding expectations of us?

Your point didn't go out the window. We are discussing it. Is the only way we 'get it' if we go, 'that's right!'?

Maybe we need to digest your point through our own internal thoughts and you're just impatient? It sounds like you posted this hoping for a certain reaction and not getting it has made you disappointed? That's not really fair to us...

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I posted this looking to direct us away from Polarized Thinking.

I think this is an area others will need to come to on their own.

Its why I said nevermind.  I should not try if its not something that can just be read and understood vs being personally understood.  I typically don't know whats been up with me lately.  I feel all sorts of blehh.

I might take a break from B4 and fb.  Everything seems to bother me these past few days...

[Aion]

Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes, which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

Each of those in this group is striving to use, digest, and diversify the information which we are sending this instrument into the channels of the mind/body/spirit complex without distortion. The few whom you will illuminate by sharing your light are far more than enough reason for the greatest possible effort. To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the original thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.

What would it look like to you for people to do less polarized thinking?

I think your effort isn't without purpose. You are teaching what you are learning. Just remember you can't learn for others.

[BlatzAdict]

umm the two kinds of infinity i found to be are infinite holding, and then infinite reaching out. service to self seeks to establish itself as a creator in the attempt to replace the one original vibration. holding is the inbreath without regard to an out breath. 
breath in breath out... communication, and no longer holding, no longer frozen energy, but moving circulating, being one, moving as one.

in doing so one rejects all that is, in order to take take take, while one is love certainly it is a selfish internal love. that does not give.
hence the creation of this false system to illustrate this fact. i've realized that even life and the way it grows is according to the same energetic phenomenon within the center of our district. it is said that at the center is a phi spin wave black hole at the center of our part of space.

both sides speak of love, but the way one carries it out is without respect to free will. so not only is our job that much harder as the wanderer to understand this fine line, but it is said keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. why is that, because there is a light and dark polarity within each individual denoted by the wiring in the left and right lobes. we know scientifically different modes of thoughts occur in each lobe. We know jesus said cast your net to the right side.. to the right lobe, the secret code of the renaissance illuminated was to hold the right hand over the left as if to illustrate that one was lead by service to others over service to self rather than the other way around.

so this line of thinking makes me think it is purposeful to polarize in 3d especially in a 3D society and in terms of unblocking the 3rd chakra which seems to be the hardest for most individuals incarnated here. does it mean to polarize further through control of others or control over the self. i think it's control over the self.

I learned this through gardening, I used to think how come we don't eat weeds they are so much more abundant, hardy, resilient, then you watch the way it grows. it does not regard any other life form around it, and sucks the life force from the surrounding plants. weeds have no self respect and no personal boundaries. why are our most sacred and celebrated foods take so much care to grow, and why we need to be vigilant in putting the work in so that they don't die from disease, from weeds, from drought, from extreme weather. Because the plants we eat and consider edible are also plants that do not go and overtake plants around them.

So the positive wanderer needs to learn and understand this, not to just know thyself but to know what kinds of manipulations can occur in the higher realms of thought and to prevent it or call it out. Thats my personal take, though we wouldn't have this experiment and we wouldn't have this sphere if not without the black hole center galaxy...

With that said we are still ethereally linked to the original galaxy that does not have the same center but is more of a crystalline pattern and arrangement of the stars. the Law of One is just the beginning, and 15D activation is what some of us want to do because we want to skip this whole drama due to seeing the futility of trying to change others unless they themselves want the change and ask for it.

[mirico]

umm the two kinds of infinity i found to be are infinite holding, and then infinite reaching out. service to self seeks to establish itself as a creator in the attempt to replace the one original vibration. holding is the inbreath without regard to an out breath. 
breath in breath out... communication, and no longer holding, no longer frozen energy, but moving circulating, being one, moving as one.

in doing so one rejects all that is, in order to take take take, while one is love certainly it is a selfish internal love. that does not give.
hence the creation of this false system to illustrate this fact. i've realized that even life and the way it grows is according to the same energetic phenomenon within the center of our district. it is said that at the center is a phi spin wave black hole at the center of our part of space.

both sides speak of love, but the way one carries it out is without respect to free will. so not only is our job that much harder as the wanderer to understand this fine line, but it is said keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer. why is that, because there is a light and dark polarity within each individual denoted by the wiring in the left and right lobes. we know scientifically different modes of thoughts occur in each lobe. We know jesus said cast your net to the right side.. to the right lobe, the secret code of the renaissance illuminated was to hold the right hand over the left as if to illustrate that one was lead by service to others over service to self rather than the other way around.

so this line of thinking makes me think it is purposeful to polarize in 3d especially in a 3D society and in terms of unblocking the 3rd chakra which seems to be the hardest for most individuals incarnated here. does it mean to polarize further through control of others or control over the self. i think it's control over the self.

I learned this through gardening, I used to think how come we don't eat weeds they are so much more abundant, hardy, resilient, then you watch the way it grows. it does not regard any other life form around it, and sucks the life force from the surrounding plants. weeds have no self respect and no personal boundaries. why are our most sacred and celebrated foods take so much care to grow, and why we need to be vigilant in putting the work in so that they don't die from disease, from weeds, from drought, from extreme weather. Because the plants we eat and consider edible are also plants that do not go and overtake plants around them.

So the positive wanderer needs to learn and understand this, not to just know thyself but to know what kinds of manipulations can occur in the higher realms of thought and to prevent it or call it out. Thats my personal take, though we wouldn't have this experiment and we wouldn't have this sphere if not without the black hole center galaxy...

With that said we are still ethereally linked to the original galaxy that does not have the same center but is more of a crystalline pattern and arrangement of the stars. the Law of One is just the beginning, and 15D activation is what some of us want to do because we want to skip this whole drama due to seeing the futility of trying to change others unless they themselves want the change and ask for it.

You may enhance your love and understanding through going further with your bridging of the eternal circle, knowing we breathe and have our being immersed in our oneness with God;which has polarity as a way to create work.  That said encouraging others as you would like to be encouraged serves growth without interfering with free choice.
My adopted understanding or normal is standing naked in the wild happy and content to be breathing in and out life.
   You are right not to interfere with a person's spiritual growth. All
Good books I have read say people are drawn to increase their Love and understanding from the Holy Spirit within.  Granted it is hard to stand by and see the pain and suffering people immerse in when a simple shift in allowing their horizon go out will free them from their self imprisonment.
   What we intention through our thoughts and feelings through Love and Loving provides succor for the troubled soul and can provide cat-ul-ist to bridge uncertainty in a loved one without trampling free will.
Now be with me. Silent, nonjudgmental and listening with an open heart. As I am one with you and we are one with God. 
   Ra simply states when one person is helped all are helped. We don't need to sell it.
L/L
mirico 

[Night Owl]

I think what bothers you in the end are illusions. You don't make sense of polarity but you understand unity. Ra said himself that polarity is an illusion, you probably know that already. The game is to transcend it. Understand that without illusions there is nothing. Unity is oneness in an illusion of seperation. That illusison is the core of existence. Without it the creator cannot be aware of infinity, he can only be a single thought. Would you have regrets about trying to explore infinity as the creator knowing that it the end it is always an illusion done out of love? Wouldn't you succeed at finding the positive no matter what negative comes down your path?

[Night Owl]

If I would have a council for you if you have expectations to be understood by other members is the lenght of your posts. You bring some nice ideas and a lot of members will agree with things you say. I also think there is too much polarized discussion but if that is the core of your message don't hide it within 3 pages of text. Write as you would like to read. People will tend to not read too long post. That's sad but it's reality. You can either make a conscious effort into making a lot of smaller post but making them strikingly powerful or you can try to reexplain yourself in infinite ways in which case you will always seem confused to others. A lot of powerful small post is saying ''I have a lot to say'' while a really long post is saying '' I have a lot of feelings about it''. I've told that to many others but the way you express yourself has as much importance as what you say. Heck I should also learn from my own words as I always find I don't express myself like I mean to. Words aren't a really sucessfull way of communication for me. Feels alien to me to have to communicate with words.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I sometimes think my cat understands me better LOL

I have.  Like.  Galactic Oceans worth of feelings on the Law of One...

I would be succinct...
But I don't understand well enough yet how to simply explain it all.  Its still settling, or being seated...  I'm still figuring this all out.

So far...(is terrified this will be longer than a sentence...)

Reality is illusion, illusion is reality, this real is fake but fake too is real. Meaning its a real 'thing' but regardless at the exact same time, an illusion.

Even illusions are real, and even reality is illusive.

I...refuse to offer my thoughts as to why.  I do not understand well enough yet.  -Stops self from writing another short story-

[AnthroHeart]

TTP, you think life on Earth is a sentence?

[Jade]

I think what bothers you in the end are illusions. You don't make sense of polarity but you understand unity. Ra said himself that polarity is an illusion, you probably know that already. The game is to transcend it.

I want to clarify something. I do not think Ra teaches that the game is to "transcend polarity". The one true polarity, service to others, is unity - how do you transcend unity?

The "game" in 3rd density is not to transcend polarity but to harness it. Polarizing in 3D creates spiritual gravity so that one is able to do more work, ie be a better instrument to channel love and light onto the planetary energy web.

Polarizing with a dedication to unity/service to others is the game. Not even Ra has transcended polarity/unity yet in 6D, why would the name of the game in 3D be to "transcend polarity"?

If one refuses to dedicate themselves to polarizing, then they reside in the sinkhole of indifference, which is spiritual purgatory, and will create lots of random catalyst in one's life until they "make the choice". That's the name of the game in 3D: The Choice.

[Night Owl]

Well you are right that the 3d game is polarity. I wasn't refering to 3d. The 3d game is about actions. But that's half the process. There are also thoughts. The game I was refering to was the octave. I disagree though that there is a true polarity. I don't think there is. That's implying there is right or wrong. Oneness seems to be no polarity at all. And for that one must transcend those illusionary concept, but that is done in thoughts as this is not achievable through actions in 3d.


Ra also says that polarity is an illusion and I believe by creating a division between the services you create a gab between yourself and the creator. And you also cause suffering which was the opposite goal of being STO in the first place. I think oneness lies in the process of seeing through the services. Finding the STO within the STS and the STS within the STO. But that is not polarisation as you said. But there are two different things here. I don't think actions towards STO should prevent you from thinking about the bigger picture. In fact it may also lead to a bigger degree of acceptance and comprehension of creation for what it really is and not for what it represent to your polarity.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

TTP, you think life on Earth is a sentence?

Sometimes I think I am the Prison Owner, embodied in the Prisoner who is forced to deal with me complicating his life.  My Consciousness is the Prison Owner, the Prisoner is my Body.
So no, but some might say yes.

I think what bothers you in the end are illusions. You don't make sense of polarity but you understand unity. Ra said himself that polarity is an illusion, you probably know that already. The game is to transcend it.

I want to clarify something. I do not think Ra teaches that the game is to "transcend polarity". The one true polarity, service to others, is unity - how do you transcend unity?

The "game" in 3rd density is not to transcend polarity but to harness it. Polarizing in 3D creates spiritual gravity so that one is able to do more work, ie be a better instrument to channel love and light onto the planetary energy web.

Polarizing with a dedication to unity/service to others is the game. Not even Ra has transcended polarity/unity yet in 6D, why would the name of the game in 3D be to "transcend polarity"?

If one refuses to dedicate themselves to polarizing, then they reside in the sinkhole of indifference, which is spiritual purgatory, and will create lots of random catalyst in one's life until they "make the choice". That's the name of the game in 3D: The Choice.

My choice is to be neutral to polarity, to exercise Sto and Sts energies to enjoy my life, but to overall be light and loving vs selfish and manipulative.  I have to stand my ground, I deem polarity insanity, I desire nothing to do with it.  Catalyst can be avoided by becoming the Catalyst for others...which simultaneously gives catalyst to yourself.  Sometimes I need to provide the lesson, this can be sts looking, but in my mind it is very neutral.  We all have free will, and many utilize it haphazardly to do bad things.  I figure I've accepted and forgiven, now it's time for others to do the same, I'll offer the catalyst, they need to forgive and accept, or just continue being as they will be.

This is why we're here.  We're all the same being with a unique tinge.  I see no left and right.  I mean, I see they exist...  But I see they stem from the same underlying aspect.  What some call Intelligent Infinity or Intelligent Energy.  What others call Light and Love and it's Love/Light aspect.  I think the thought of evil is in itself evil inspiring as you have labeled Creator evil.

Just as my identifying something as Hellish makes it Hellish, we create our own perception of reality (I'm totally wasted typing this by the way so I hope this is all making sense...and not sounding wacko.  Trying out that crowley idea, getting drunk and staying otherwise alert), and that perception depends on our views and thoughts and judgments.

I think the STO aspect of handling Greetings is actually a STA tool, Even if you depolarize a negative entity, you provide it catalyst, and even if you don't, it provides you catalyst.  And since most apparently are okay with painful and uncomfortable catalyst, Greetings seem inevitable if not in actuality then in creative thought or paranoia or blockages (Greeting from the darker side of the self).  No greeting is in actuality bad.  Just as many things that appear bad are honestly just sad, and not actually 'bad' once you accept and drop such labels, or grow desensitized to such things.

But thank you for the feedback.  Sadly I guess I'm going my own way it'd seem.

[Night Owl]

I don't think you are alone on that path.

[Minyatur]

Polarizing with a dedication to unity/service to others is the game. Not even Ra has transcended polarity/unity yet in 6D, why would the name of the game in 3D be to "transcend polarity"?

I think the game (Octave) is more about creating paradoxes and things to resolve. The STS polarity came to be out of STO because STO was not deemed enough on it's own to create meaningful experiences.

So the game seems also about unveiling Darkness from within what we all are and transmuting/resolving it to be seen/understood/loved as Light. In vegan thread there has been a duality between loving someone while not loving their actions, in my view every actions are surely to be loved. Perhaps not now, but that is how darkness is going to be transmuted, surely not by hiding from sight the portions of ourselves one dislikes.

At the end of the game though we are to let go of this reality which I am not sure could be considered either STS or STO at that point as we let go of many-ness altogether to give our stream of experiences back to the Source. There is One Mind with the unified thought of Infinity. Exploring all finite-infinity within it. So others just as self are convenient illusions for experiences.

If one refuses to dedicate themselves to polarizing, then they reside in the sinkhole of indifference, which is spiritual purgatory, and will create lots of random catalyst in one's life until they "make the choice". That's the name of the game in 3D: The Choice.

I don't think there's random and I think catalysts are mainly programmed to be attracted. But yeah, each of us has a very intimate relation with this Creation algother.

Funny thing is that prior to the use of veils when there was only the STO polarity, Ra said there were very little effort put into polarizing and evolving foward across dimensions. So I don't think the sinkhole of indifference is all that bad in itself as time is an illusion. It means to be well with things as they are instead of playing the polarity control game. But yeah this whole Octave is based upon polarity to move foward, previous one was about mover/moved apparently, seems to have been very fun too.

[Jade]

Ra says catalyst is (at least perceived as) random and offered by the sub-Logos until one begins to crystallize the higher energy centers and those biases then create the catalyst for the entity more gradually until one is consciously creating all of their catalyst.

54.17 Questioner: I would like then to trace the evolution of catalyst upon the mind/body/spirit complexes and how it comes into use and is fully used to create this tuning. I assume that the sub-Logos that formed our tiny part of the creation using the intelligence of the Logos of which it is a part, provides, shall I say, the base catalyst that will act upon mind/body complexes and mind/body/spirit complexes before they reach the state of development where they can begin to program their own catalyst. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The sub-Logos offers the catalyst at the lower levels of energy, the first triad; these have to do with the survival of the physical complex. The higher centers gain catalyst from the biases of the mind/body/spirit complex itself in response to all random and directed experiences.

Thus the less developed entity will perceive the catalyst about it in terms of survival of the physical complex with the distortions which are preferred. The more conscious entity, being conscious of the catalytic process, will begin to transform the catalyst offered by the sub-Logos into catalyst which may act upon the higher energy nexi. Thus the sub-Logos can offer only a basic skeleton, shall we say, of catalyst. The muscles and flesh having to do with the, shall we say, survival of wisdom, love, compassion, and service are brought about by the action of the mind/body/spirit complex on basic catalyst so as to create a more complex catalyst which may in turn be used to form distortions within these higher energy centers.

The more advanced the entity, the more tenuous the connection between the sub-Logos and the perceived catalyst until, finally, all catalyst is chosen, generated, and manufactured by the self, for the self.


54.18 Questioner: Which entities incarnate at this time on this planet would be of that category, manufacturing all of their catalyst?

Ra: I am Ra. We find your query indeterminate but can respond that the number of those which have mastered outer catalyst completely is quite small.

Most of those harvestable at this space/time nexus have partial control over the outer illusion and are using the outer catalyst to work upon some bias which is not yet in balance.

What I'm doing is trying to offer solutions to those who feel they are perceiving reality negatively or are experiencing catalyst that they feel is too overwhelming or in complete contradiction to their desires: Do not eschew polarity, but embrace it. By embracing STO you are not denying STS, you are also embracing it. But by denying both you are also refusing to utilize the tools that we are given in this incarnation.

[Plenum]

The thing is, there can be a lot of misidentification involved.  People quite often ascribe things as being negative, when in truth, it might actually be a positive action.  Just because the conscious self chooses to label something as something doesn't make it an accurate label.  What matters is what happens energetically.

[Night Owl]

What I'm doing is trying to offer solutions to those who feel they are perceiving reality negatively or are experiencing catalyst that they feel is too overwhelming or in complete contradiction to their desires: Do not eschew polarity, but embrace it. By embracing STO you are not denying STS, you are also embracing it. But by denying both you are also refusing to utilize the tools that we are given in this incarnation.

You are doing what's best in my opinion. But when I said polarity is an illusion it is not meant to deny both, it is meant to be food for thoughts. By processing yourself how what is perceived as negative can be positive and what can be viewed as positive can also be perceived as negative you can only get to think and work closer to what infinite intelligent energy already does. What I meant with actions/thoughts is that while you can consciouly work to be STO with your actions based on your polarity you can also do conscience work in unifying everything into something that has always been, is and will always be positive. What is an illusion is not that STO/STS doesn't exist, it's that they both are one single process of creation that is positive in the end. Not because one is right and the other wrong but because they are both right in what they do. It's just what they do that is hard to see.