Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[Tenet Nosce]

No, I don't think it would be drastically noticeable. It would be gradually accepted as normal.

Currently, global death rates are at about 1% annually, while birth rates are about 1.5%. So I don't see how that changing such that death rates eclipse birth rates would be neither drastic, nor noticeable.

1. What sort of explanation for such an occurrence do you suppose would be accepted as normal by the populace?

2. What do you propose happens to the birth rate? Do people just keep being born the whole time?

3. Even if the process goes on for a hundred, or a thousand, years we are still left explaining what happens at the final separation. Making harvest into a gradual event just prolongs the inevitable break that must occur, if it is to occur at all.

4. What would be the point of keeping the window open, anyway? Those who can be harvested will be harvested, and those who cannot will not. Continuing along in some sort of 3D/4D hybrid experience would be a disservice to all parties. Those with hybrid 3D/4D bodies would increasingly feel infringed upon by their inability to express latent 4D abilities among others with no such abilities, and those in pure 3D bodies would be increasingly disabled from living "normal" lives as 4D influences and catalyst continue to flood the planetary sphere.

What we have going on here is analogous to a chemical reaction. The substrates have been sufficiently dissolved and mixed together. Ample catalyst has been applied along with increases in temperature, pressure, and electromagnetic radiation. V-max has been reached and products have been created, and are now ready to be harvested.

Allowing the reaction to continue past a certain point in hopes of "increasing the harvest" will become increasingly pointless. Adding more catalyst to the reaction is not going to have a noticeable effect. There is only a certain degree of efficiency that can be reasonably expected. Sooner or later, somebody has to say, "OK, enough."

There comes a time when we need to collect the products from the test tube because they are the substrates in another reaction, and others are waiting on us so that they can continue with the next stage in the game of life.

So, in the end, whether it is a year from now, or a thousand years from now, 3D earth will cease to be active. And at that moment there is going to be somebody right on the tippy edge who would have just maybe crossed over, had they another decade or two to live. But they didn't.

It is a sobering idea for sure, but one that appears to be unavoidable.

[3DMonkey]

Change is inevitable. Look at how much change some attribute to illuminati elite operations. How much more would these changes you discuss be noticeable?

[Tenet Nosce]

Im still kind of confused about the idea of being harvested. Ra says the harvest will be complete by the end of next year, and it is understood that you die when you are harvested, and most people here seem to want to be in the harvest, but why?

If death means permanent separation of consciousness from the body, there are many ways to go about that and some that are not largely known.

You are asking why would somebody want to be in the harvest? I propose because it is a certain type of experience which is extremely rare, and of immense potential for increasing one's capacity to serve. You don't get the benefits if you choose not to participate.

do you think that there will be some global event where all the people that are over 51% STO will suddenly disappear?

I propose that such an event would be simultaneous with those that are under 51% STO being immediately taken out of their bodies and transferred to another sphere which is the best possible match for their own continued growth.

that doesn't seem likely,

How likely is it that a 6th density entity known as Ra made contact with a group called L/L Research, and transmitted universal truths and information pertaining to a hidden process of spiritual harvest unknown to the vast majority of humanity?

and tbh while I'm massively excelarating my own evolution, I'm not ready to be "harvested" if it means not being able to finish my experiences here first.

When are your experiences here "finished"? When you, the 3D entity, decides that you are ready and it is time to die? The decision is not made on this level. Most people who die did not wake up that morning expecting such an event to occur, but nevertheless it did occur. Despite whatever hopes, dreams, goals, aspirations, etc., they may have had for themselves or their loved ones.

It also doesn't make sense to me that there is the promise of us having a beautiful new world and peace after 2012 if all the good people will be gone. can anyone fill in some blanks for me?

If you want a beautiful new world, then you must leave the ugly old world behind. If you want peace, you must leave war behind. And if you want this by 2012, then you will need to be willing to leave those others behind who are still addicted to the ugly old world, and its warlike ways, very, very soon.

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so not noticing this moving to 4D, could then we be in 4D with an illusion of 3D for some time till we realize?

That may be the case for some, although I see it as highly unlikely for one who is already conscious about the difference between 3D and 4D.

Or will our manifesting powers be pretty immediate?

I believe they will, although it will also be simple to turn things "on and off" at will. For example, there was a time in my past where I was very focused on developing the ability to perceive another's thoughts. Then I came to a place where I realized that it was not something I really wanted to do, and that moreover it just isn't "classy". So now I choose not to use such an ability in order to gain information about another that they did not expressly offer.

Perhaps the beginning of 4D isn't too much different than the end of 3D (minus the bad stuff)?

Being not too much different does not preclude there being a discrete transition point. For example, the Voyager spacecraft are currently in the borderline region called the heliopause where the dominant influences become those emanating from the galaxy, rather than the sun. Once it passes through this zone, the craft will be able to receive signals that were previously hidden by the dominating solar radiation.

Maybe it will be like a dream where we can breathe under water, and we're thinking "it can be done!"

I think it will be dreamlike in many ways, although I am unclear what the exact boundaries of the experience will be.

I just know that with my current 3D mind I wouldn't want to have 4D powers cause it would probably turn into a hell rather quickly if every thought manifested immediately.

Chances are by now your thoughts are already manifesting near immediately, so if you are more or less satisfied with the outcome currently you will probably be fine.

At least might freak me out a bit.

That's up to you.

[unity100]

tenet, your insights in this particular discussion have been much sharp and inspiring so far. thank you.

[Raman]

We are basically here for this event. It's coming and it will be how it will be. It is a quantum shift, a totally different vibratory state. It could not be any other way.

[zenmaster]

We are basically here for this event. It's coming and it will be how it will be. It is a quantum shift, a totally different vibratory state. It could not be any other way.

Sudden or gradual?

[unity100]

We are basically here for this event. It's coming and it will be how it will be. It is a quantum shift, a totally different vibratory state. It could not be any other way.

now come to think of it, it is indeed as such - the world population phenomenally increased in the last two centuries. leaving aside we were told that close to what - 2 billion entities came from elsewhere, and entities were coming here for harvest.

[Confused]

Sudden is my opinion, zenmaster. Just sharing it though you did not ask me for it

[Raman]

We are basically here for this event. It's coming and it will be how it will be. It is a quantum shift, a totally different vibratory state. It could not be any other way.

Sudden or gradual?

Well that is a nouveau* question!
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* http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nouveau

[3DMonkey]

We are basically here for this event. It's coming and it will be how it will be. It is a quantum shift, a totally different vibratory state. It could not be any other way.

now come to think of it, it is indeed as such - the world population phenomenally increased in the last two centuries. leaving aside we were told that close to what - 2 billion entities came from elsewhere, and entities were coming here for harvest.

take a look, Tenet. Was this drastic change so "noticeable" to cause alarm in individuals of society?

[Confused]

Of course, I don't know! Just full of opinions at the moment about Harvest.

[zenmaster]

Sudden is my opinion, zenmaster. Just sharing it though you did not ask me for it

So however long it takes, when it does happen it will be sudden?

[AnthroHeart]

Very good points Tenet. Yes, I'm noticing my thoughts manifesting more quickly, perhaps within days for those things which are "possible" in 3D. I mean I can't in 3D manifest a fictional character before me, or at least haven't figured how to.

I really do like the reality of what I've created around me. I keep focusing on how it can get even better, and I'd say I am consciously aware (instead of zoning out like I used to) maybe 90% of the time or more. Much more of a conscious co-creator than I have ever been.

[unity100]

one thing that is certain is, even if harvest involves any kind of mass disincarnation scenario, entities in 3-4d transitionary bodies were not meant to participate in that. because, if they did, there would be noone to stay incarnate on the planet and gradually bring 4d bodies through reproduction.

whether these entities will be subject to harvest or not is another question. these entities dont need to be harvested - they already were. and Ra points out that all are harvested regardless of their progress at the end of 3d. however, whether this 'all' is meant to be entities who are there for the harvest and yet to be harvested, or all entities in a planetary sphere, is another question. it cannot be all entities in a planetary sphere, since different densities need different harvests - in a planet with 3 and 4d entities are active, or 4 and 5d are active for example. this is actually moot, since we are told that the cycles for these harvests come in different periods - leaving aside the fact that they have requirements totally separate from what is there in 3d.

then this harvest is, as it is told, 3d harvest. it concerns 3d entities. then 'all are harvested at the end of 3d regardless of progress' would probably mean 3d entities.

[Nyu]

At Gemini, whether or not we are already in 4d - I only have LSD experiences to go on atm but its very possible that we are already there or very close to it coz those experiences have gotten crazier and crazier, but I think we probably will need to be reborn into 4d bodies before we can use the power normally, as well as being educated by higher beings.

As for "leaving the bad world behind", I don't think the world is bad, just the dark forces that run it, so I would ideally love to see what the world can be with a different perspective. I love Gaia wholly and completely, I am not ready to leave her behind until my natural time is up, there's still so many aspects of her that I haven't seen and experienced yet.

[Confused]

Sudden is my opinion, zenmaster. Just sharing it though you did not ask me for it

So however long it takes, when it does happen it will be sudden?

19.7 Questioner: Then did this second-density to third-density transition take place 75,000 years ago? Approximately?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

19.8 Questioner: Where did the second-density beings get physical vehicles of third-density type to incarnate into?

Ra: I am Ra. There were among those upon this second-density plane those forms which when exposed to third-density vibrations became the third-density, as you would call the sound vibration, human entities.

That is, there was loss of body hair, as you would call it, the clothing of the body to protect it, the changing of the structure of the neck, jaw, and forehead in order to allow the easier vocalization, and the larger cranial development characteristic of third-density needs. This was a normal transfiguration.

19.9 Questioner: Over how long a period of time was this transfiguration? It must have been very short.

Ra: I am Ra. The assumption is correct, in our terms at least—within a generation and one-half, as you know these things. Those who had been harvested of this planet were able to use the newly created physical complex of chemical elements suitable for third-density lessons.

75,000 years ago, our planet made the shift from 2D to 3D vibration, and it was accompanied by a transfiguration. May be that is what Harvest is -- a transfiguration. The transfiguration from 2D to 3D took a time of within a generation and one-half. Now, what is a generation? How many years did Ra have in mind there. Ra said "as you know these things". So what do we consider a generation? We normally consider a 100 year lifespan to be a generation for a human. Ra said 100-700 years somewhere, with respect to the Harvest. Again, 700 years was the time of a human lifespan pretty early into our current 75,000 year master cycle. So, what is a generation now? Is it about 120 years? I don't know. Just full of opinion and thoughts, amidst my imperfections, cruelty and selfishness. I better go inward and work upon myself Been awfully cruel lately, with my aged parents!!

[zenmaster]

Now, what is a generation?

~900 years. Methuselah's age thereabouts.

[Raman]

one thing that is certain is, even if harvest involves any kind of mass disincarnation scenario, entities in 3-4d transitionary bodies were not meant to participate in that. because, if they did, there would be noone to stay incarnate on the planet and gradually bring 4d bodies through reproduction.

whether these entities will be subject to harvest or not is another question. these entities dont need to be harvested - they already were. and Ra points out that all are harvested regardless of their progress at the end of 3d. however, whether this 'all' is meant to be entities who are there for the harvest and yet to be harvested, or all entities in a planetary sphere, is another question. it cannot be all entities in a planetary sphere, since different densities need different harvests - in a planet with 3 and 4d entities are active, or 4 and 5d are active for example. this is actually moot, since we are told that the cycles for these harvests come in different periods - leaving aside the fact that they have requirements totally separate from what is there in 3d.

then this harvest is, as it is told, 3d harvest. it concerns 3d entities. then 'all are harvested at the end of 3d regardless of progress' would probably mean 3d entities.

Yes I agree. if it is a mechanical clock type of event should be "all of 3d". This should imply Galactic Logos but most likely involving the sub-Logos as well.

Then, the real 'heroes' would be the 3d/4d activated ones. That they are taken to hidden cities by some Confederation entities is a possibility.

[zenmaster]

That was from 21.7, btw. Interestingly we know the average 4D lifespan is 90,000 years or almost exactly 100 times longer, yet the mind/body/spirit complex of third density has perhaps one hundred times as intensive a program of catalytic action from which to distill distortions and learn/teachings than any other of the densities. 900*100 = 90,000.

[Confused]

That was from 21.7, By the way. Interestingly we know the average 4D lifespan is 90,000 years or almost exactly 100 times longer, yet the mind/body/spirit complex of third density has perhaps one hundred times as intensive a program of catalytic action from which to distill distortions and learn/teachings than any other of the densities. 900*100 = 90,000.

See, we are getting somewhere If you can decode the following portions, a huge portion of enigma surrounding Harvest could come a little bit loose as well. Of course, I don't know! --

10.9 Questioner: When graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new planet?

Ra: I am Ra. In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light. This is done to ensure proper healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness complex. This takes a very variable length of your time/space. After this is accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains. At this time, the harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. This is the manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.

Now, what does this mean -- "In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light."

How is the placement made? I don't know. I am going along with you guys in the process of seeking!

[zenmaster]

Now, what does this mean -- "In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light."

How is the placement made? I don't know. I am going along with you guys in the process of seeking!

What? You never died before? Probably did this hundreds of times by now.

[Confused]

What? You never died before? Probably did this hundreds of times by now.

Oh, I thought it was some Harvest specific process or quote. Really, I did not think it to be death. I thought it was something specific to Harvest, the way it was described. May be Ra used politically correct language there

Thanks for disabusing me, z

[Raman]

What? You never died before? Probably did this hundreds of times by now.

Oh, I thought it was some Harvest specific process or quote. Really, I did not think it to be death. I thought it was something specific to Harvest, the way it was described. May be Ra used politically correct language there

Thanks for disabusing me, z

It is not a good feeling posting and expecting somehow "abuse" (?)

[Confused]

It is not a good feeling posting and expecting somehow "abuse" (?)

?? zenmaster did not abuse me.

[unity100]

Sudden is my opinion, zenmaster. Just sharing it though you did not ask me for it

So however long it takes, when it does happen it will be sudden?

19.7 Questioner: Then did this second-density to third-density transition take place 75,000 years ago? Approximately?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

19.8 Questioner: Where did the second-density beings get physical vehicles of third-density type to incarnate into?

Ra: I am Ra. There were among those upon this second-density plane those forms which when exposed to third-density vibrations became the third-density, as you would call the sound vibration, human entities.

That is, there was loss of body hair, as you would call it, the clothing of the body to protect it, the changing of the structure of the neck, jaw, and forehead in order to allow the easier vocalization, and the larger cranial development characteristic of third-density needs. This was a normal transfiguration.

19.9 Questioner: Over how long a period of time was this transfiguration? It must have been very short.

Ra: I am Ra. The assumption is correct, in our terms at least—within a generation and one-half, as you know these things. Those who had been harvested of this planet were able to use the newly created physical complex of chemical elements suitable for third-density lessons.

75,000 years ago, our planet made the shift from 2D to 3D vibration, and it was accompanied by a transfiguration. May be that is what Harvest is -- a transfiguration. The transfiguration from 2D to 3D took a time of within a generation and one-half. Now, what is a generation? How many years did Ra have in mind there. Ra said "as you know these things". So what do we consider a generation? We normally consider a 100 year lifespan to be a generation for a human. Ra said 100-700 years somewhere, with respect to the Harvest. Again, 700 years was the time of a human lifespan pretty early into our current 75,000 year master cycle. So, what is a generation now? Is it about 120 years? I don't know. Just full of opinion and thoughts, amidst my imperfections, cruelty and selfishness. I better go inward and work upon myself Been awfully cruel lately, with my aged parents!!

i am appalled how some of you are still making redefinitions of harvest whereas it has been explicitly and clearly defined in detail in the material.

what you speak above, is not harvest. it is transition period from density to density.

Then, the real 'heroes' would be the 3d/4d activated ones. That they are taken to hidden cities by some Confederation entities is a possibility.

yes it is a possibility. it would be a necessity of others die.

That was from 21.7, By the way. Interestingly we know the average 4D lifespan is 90,000 years or almost exactly 100 times longer, yet the mind/body/spirit complex of third density has perhaps one hundred times as intensive a program of catalytic action from which to distill distortions and learn/teachings than any other of the densities. 900*100 = 90,000.

See, we are getting somewhere If you can decode the following portions, a huge portion of enigma surrounding Harvest could come a little bit loose as well. Of course, I don't know! --

10.9 Questioner: When graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new planet?

Ra: I am Ra. In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light. This is done to ensure proper healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness complex. This takes a very variable length of your time/space. After this is accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains. At this time, the harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. This is the manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.

Now, what does this mean -- "In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light."

How is the placement made? I don't know. I am going along with you guys in the process of seeking!

that placement was defined to be as instant, since the mind/body/spirit totality is at one with creator.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#10

[Confused]

that placement was defined to be as instant, since the mind/body/spirit totality is at one with creator.

That is what I suspected too initially.

[Richard]

Nyu Wrote:do you think that there will be some global event where all the people that are over 51% STO will suddenly disappear?

Tenet Nosce replied:

I propose that such an event would be simultaneous with those that are
under 51% STO being immediately taken out of their bodies and
transferred to another sphere which is the best possible match for their
own continued growth.

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This theory has been bandied about new age forums for quite some time. The thing that always bugged me about it is we'd never know the difference. Not remembering "here"..or any past lives for that matter, how do you take the lessons of the past forward? Some say that your higher self learns, but there is no way to confirm that.

I suppose I'm too firmly planted in the here and now to give much credence to this line of thought. But I remain open minded to an event in whatever form it takes. Just show me for pete's sake. But don't bamboozle me with alternate worlds in which I just materialize never knowing anything changed.

Thats if I have any say in the decision to begin with.

Richard

[Tenet Nosce]

We are basically here for this event. It's coming and it will be how it will be. It is a quantum shift, a totally different vibratory state. It could not be any other way.

now come to think of it, it is indeed as such - the world population phenomenally increased in the last two centuries. leaving aside we were told that close to what - 2 billion entities came from elsewhere, and entities were coming here for harvest.

take a look, Tenet. Was this drastic change so "noticeable" to cause alarm in individuals of society?

Eh? 3DMonkey, I am confused by your posts here. Earth's human population has been on the increase throughout all of recorded human history [See attachment]. If population growth were to spontaneously reverse direction, it would be very noticeable, and people would demand an explanation.

I don't see how you could argue that the world would just go on either oblivious or indifferent to a shrinking population. Plus I offered some specific questions to help me better understand your POV, and you have not answered them.

As difficult as it may be to wrap my mind around a sudden quantum leap into a new reality, the "gradualist" view leads to even more absurd scenarios, and in addition offers no discernible benefit over the alternative. All it does is supposedly "buy more time" for an entity to become harvestable. If said entity wanted more "time" it was free to incarnate in any other period of human history. Given the last 6000 years, I can see an easy 100 additional incarnations or so that would have been available. But it didn't.

If an entity chose to incarnate here on Earth at the eleventh hour before harvest, and then made little to no use of the landslide of catalyst that has been made available to them over the past decade... well... what do you want me to say about that? Let's just keep the universe on hold until everybody gets a clue? I don't think it works that way.

So, anyway, I am open to hearing rational ideas and scenarios as to how a gradual harvest might play itself out, and pointed to some specific areas for further discussion. If you don't want to have a discussion, that's totally fine with me. But then there is no point of floating one-liners out there in response to a whole reply that I wrote, as I will just keep referring back to the specific questions that you have not responded to.

[Richard]

Unity wrote?

i am appalled how some of you are still making redefinitions of harvest
whereas it has been explicitly and clearly defined in detail in the
material.

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I would say thats because some of us don't believe all of the Law of One as communicated by Ra. Its channelled material. How many times do we have to say this? No matter the purity of the transmission, you still have to question how much is Ra and how much is the bias of the channeller(s).

Ra is vague in many places. As all channelled entities are. Even Qu'o say to take them with a grain of salt..metaphorically speaking.

Or maybe thats just me. In any case, it ought to be questioned and analyzed on every point. Just like we do here all the time. To not do so leads to dogma.

Richard

[Tenet Nosce]

This theory has been bandied about new age forums for quite some time. The thing that always bugged me about it is we'd never know the difference. Not remembering "here"..or any past lives for that matter, how do you take the lessons of the past forward? Some say that your higher self learns, but there is no way to confirm that.

Sometimes I don't remember what happened last week! The point of gaining experiences is to distill the love/wisdom out of them, which then becomes part of who you are. Past and future lives aside, if a human being were suddenly brought to full consciousness of every single memory they have acquired over their lifetime, they would probably go crazy, or at least become highly disabled.

The Higher Self doesn't learn lessons. It is the end result of all the lessons learned throughout all the incarnations of an entity's history.

I suppose I'm too firmly planted in the here and now to give much credence to this line of thought. But I remain open minded to an event in whatever form it takes. Just show me for pete's sake. But don't bamboozle me with alternate worlds in which I just materialize never knowing anything changed.

I can understand your frustration. However you are overlooking the obvious fact that, at least once every day, you materialize into alternate worlds having for the most part NO CLUE that you have made such a transition. We call this dreaming. And yet, despite having little to no access to your waking life memories, "you" are still "you" in the dream world. You materialize your dream body, the other characters in the dream, and the landscape of the dream itself, all quite automatically, naturally, and effortlessly.