11-17-2020, 03:12 PM
(11-12-2020, 02:33 AM)Black Dragon Wrote: In my own seeking, besides the Law of One/Ra material, I have studied a bit of the mysteries over the past few years, mainly Manly P. Hall's " The Secret Teachings of All Ages", and recently, The Kybalion and Emerald Tablets of Hermes. I've also read the late 19th/early 20th century books "A Dweller on Two Planets" and "An Earth Dweller's Return" which deal with Atlantis and reincarnation, but which seem to be pretty closely inline with cosmology and philosophy of more "mainstream" occult materials and the Law of One.
Every spiritual advancement I've made in my life has come from looking within, from spontaneous openings/inherent "gifts" and wanderer stuff, and from some openings that were hard and well earned from actually processing catalyst and using life and observations/experiences to evolve my own perspective. There is none of that at any point in my life that I can(knowingly) attribute to the guidance, protection, or teaching of any mystery school. Such a thing was absent in my life, although there are many times such a community could have been helpful and would have made my life easier growing up.
Keep looking within yourselves..
2500 years ago, a chinese dude wrote this.
Since before time and space were, the Tao is.
It is beyond is and is not.
How do I know this is true?
I look inside myself and see.
-- Tao The Ching
Quote:Even without any direct intervention, there were times when I really could have used some psychic help, a little ministry and healing and comfort/encouragement, and most of all, some protection. There are times as a ten to twelve year old child that I suffered the most brutal and debilitating psychic attacks imaginable. It was a mental/emotional/spiritual/existential hell I wouldn't wish on anyone, no matter how bad a person they were. It still sometimes leaves me wondering how the creator can even be love if it's possible to feel things as horrible as I did, especially doing that to a child. Where were these wonderful mystery schools(or these "good ET's" for that matter, but that's a different topic) when I needed them most? Absent.
Looking back on those personal experience of yours in the past, what kind of lessons and learning that you can derive from it?
Quote:That's how it seems to be for anyone not "initiated" into one of their little secret clubs-unworthy. Unworthy of support, of protection, and 100% deserving of every ill that comes their way, by nature of their distortion and impurity. In the Kybalion, it talks of not casting "pearls before swine". Is that how these mystery schools view the masses of other-selves that cohabitate this planet with them, and are also the creator? I could maybe see calling those dedicated to the STS path "swine", but really, the uninitiated masses, struggling valiantly in the dust with their own catalyst, having been caught in the maelstrom without the PRIVILLEGE or opportunity, to know the right people and have the right connections to train for initiation into a mystery school from an early age...the majority of the Earth population, including all the wanderers outside the sphere of influence of these schools, all of those people are unworthy swine?
Well if you (or anyone) else viewed "The STS" (or any other label) as among 'them' and not among 'us'. Then most probably you are adopting the STS path. Nothing wrong with that.. it's merely a matter of choice and taste.
The term "STO" and "STS" might be misleading, at the higher definition I tend to view it as "Path Of Unity" and "Path Of Separation". The path of STS is the path of separation, seeing 'others' as separated from 'his/her own self'. STS characteristics and viewpoint do not have anything to stand on when one view that everyone and everything is interconnected and actually the same 'self'. Anything you do to to 'others' is anything that you do to your own 'self'. Thus when one alienated 'others' it is the same as alienated it's own 'self'.
Although separation is actually merely an illusion but both path, unity and separation are valid, and actually enriching the overall experience to the self. Through experiencing the "IS NOT" then one can recognize the "IS". By experiencing fear one can recognize courage, by experiencing hatred one can recognize love, by experiencing separation one can recognize unity etc...
And that explain that there will be a certain stage where the illusion of separation just cannot be held anymore and all of those who walk along the path of separation will eventually merged, bringing the IS NOT side of their experience, to the self.
Quote:I really hope that's not how they view their other selves, otherwise they might as well look in the mirror if they want to see "unworthy swine", in my opinion.
It's very much possible that among those within the group you call as 'them', some are adopting the Path Of Unity while same others are adopting the Path Of Separation. As mentioned above, both path are valid.
Quote:Anyone with firsthand experience or interactions with mystery schools, do you know where they stand and how they feel about humanity in general, the "uninitiated masses"? Do they have a heart felt love, and feel a humanitarian obligation to their other-selves, or do they feel superior/elite? Are their principles and ethics really based on the heart, on love, or do they have a cold/intellectual/mechanistic code of conduct on what the "Right Hand Path" means to them? I'd like to be wrong, and correct me if I am, but it seems to me to be more the latter, and not much from the heart.
I don't know your exact definition of 'mystery schools'.
But it's very much possible and actually very common that you will find the fine mixture of "Unity" and "Separation" within any group.
Superiority / Elitism is among key characteristic of "Separation", because in Unity where one see everyone and everything as the same self, such characteristic will not have any foundation to stand upon.
The same thing goes to those who heart somehow do not feel love or humanitarian (actually it goes beyond merely viewing other human but other beings as well) obligation to other selves, such is also the key characteristic of "Separation". Because in Unity there are no "other" selves.
Quote:I'm really hoping these are just my misconceptions, otherwise, these mystery schools are actually part of the problem, and they are not worthy of any praise or veneration, and certainly not worthy of any of the occult knowledge they possess.
It is what it is, it's not a problem, both path are valid.
Again I don't understand who or what do you mean by 'mystery schools', to me it just yet another labelling or group definition. And it actually doesn't matter as it's very common to find degree of "Unity" and "Separation" mixed up in any group. That's actually the beauty of this universe..
And those who 'seek' praise or veneration is also a key characteristic of "Separation", "Unity" do not seek praise or veneration but they love to give praise and gratefulness to other selves, as they're fully aware any praise and gratefulness that they give to other selves are actually they give towards themselves.
"Unity" will have no problem even when they were not given any praise or veneration, as that is not what they're seeking for or in need of. Even when they were given condemnation and hatred, that will not bother them at all, as they're aware that those who gave them condemnation and hatred are also part of their own self.
"The master doesn’t talk, he acts. When his work is done, the people say: ‘amazing, we did it all by ourselves!’"
-- Tao The Ching
They don't seek credit or praise to themselves, but they don't hesitate to give credit and praise to others.
"The fool thinks he has won a battle when he bullies with harsh speech,
But knowing how to be forbearing- that makes one victorious.
The worse of the two is he who, when abused, retaliates.
One who does not retaliate wins a battle hard to win.
Knowing that the other person is angry, one who remains mindful and calm
Acts for his own best interest and for the other's interest, too.
He is a healer of both himself and the other person also."
-- Dhammapada
Quote:The next question. What do they actually do to uplift humanity?
If you're in "Unity" you will not bother too much on such question, but refocus the question more towards "What I can actually do to uplift humanity?" as 'humanity' itself is the other part of my own self?" And some individuals might NOT choose 'humanity' at all, they might focus on animal kingdom or plant kingdom, as animal and plants are actually part of one self.
Ask then such question, and you will find the answer that is appropriate within your own context.
Because the answer will not be a common answer, it varies in accordance to one's context.
Ranging from giving love to my own parent and family, helping the pigmies in Congo up to helping strayed dogs.
It's not a race or a competition of "who are better and bigger in Unity", it's working together in accordance to each respective life context. The variety of experiences of each differentiated life context will enriched the overall experiences of the path of Unity.
The view of "Who is better and bigger or more righteous" is a key characteristic of the path of "Separation", which of course it's also a valid path for one to took as mentioned above.
Quote:To me, the world just seems such a messed up place, that if there really people working for good behind the scenes, they must not be having much success.
There is nothing wrong with 'the world', the world is beautiful and complete with all of it's polarities.
Some of those 'polarity' you may see as 'messed up'.
Quote:It seems that maybe these mystery schools take themselves way too seriously and judge the rest of the world way too harshly, when they really don't do much for humanity besides admire the smell of their own farts and pass judgment on the impurity and unworthiness of everyone else, while those unworthy masses bust their buts down in the trenches of the maelstrom dealing with rough catalyst and a societal system rigged against them with no help, guidance or support from the world of "secretive little self-important clubs". Also, while wanderers come down and bust their butts in the same conditions with the same lack of support from these mystery schools.
As mentioned, self-righteous, superiority, judging others are key characteristic of the Path of Separation. Which is also a valid path for one to took.
Quote:Wanderers, with our natural and spontaneous openings into higher knowledge, other dimensions, and other natural gifts and affinities that to the mystery schools would be seen as things which are "earned" diligently and with great discipline and the approval of some authority-having met their conditions(yada yada yada), would perhaps be seen as unworthy and even dangerous?
It's possible that there are "Wanderers" who took the path of Separation as well..
Quote:To me, I understand the danger in spiritual progression, spontaneous openings, and things generally of a magical nature where there is a lack of experience or vibration required to handle it properly, but on the flip side, I also believe that a person's magical personality is not some privilege one earns from a school or authority figure, but actually every sentient being's birthright, and up to each individual to be responsible for the way they approach it, without needing the judgment, approval, or initiation of some authority figure or school. It seems to me that some of these mystery schools might not feel that way. How can this be reconciled for the benefit of humanity?
There is actually no danger, danger itself is an illusion, which might enriched the overall experience.
You are always safe, and so does everyone else...
The metaphor will be like playing a VR games? The 'danger' in VR Games is actually an illusion which enriched the overall experience of being fully immersed inside the game. Took off the VR headset and one can then see that he or she is always safe.
Again playing the game of 'authority' is also a key characteristic of those who took the path of Separation.
Quote:Yahweh tried giving knowledge to the hands of an elect few and withholding it from the rest of the general "swine". How did that work out? It's an abject lesson that exclusionism, secrecy, and putting all the "goods" in the hands of an elect few while withholding it from everyone else, and then expecting that elect few to do the right thing...none of this works. All it does is lay the groundwork for negative influence and elitist distortions which snowball into the kind of full-blown tyranny we experience here on Earth.
I think Ra mentioned Yahweh as well in the material. I forgot where.. I tend to agree with his comment.
I found the Tanakh (the material which mentioned Yahweh) to be a mixed bag of messages which both contain the message of Unity and also the message of Separation. A catalyst for both path.
Quote:While I intellectually understand the need in some instances for secrecy, I don't like it. My heart doesn't agree. If I, let's say, miraculously got rid of enough distortions by tomorrow morning for one of these guys to show up at my door and initiate me(I know that's probably now quite how it works, but for example)...I would probably have to turn them down out of my own principles and integrity and feelings from the heart, because I'd feel so shamefully bad and guilty of being on the "inside" of that world and receiving its benefits, while other-selves just as worthy as me were turned away, ignored, left to suffer in the maelstrom because they don't quite "make the cut". Surely that sentiment doesn't make me an unenlightened churl, or some unworthy swine?
If it doesn't resonate well with you, then don't do it.
But mind you that there might be others that might find the things that doesn't resonate well with you to be suitable and resonating well with them.
Everybody and everything has their own path, which in turn shall enrich the variety of overall experiences.