02-10-2021, 12:05 PM
In the opening post, I didn't describe my own worldview in any detail, instead I zoomed out to give a thin outline of a larger mental landscape. I don't know if that confused unity100, who in his first post in this thread expressed a very similar line of thought to my own usual thinking. I don't find it to contradict my own thinking in general, though it is more specific than what I've written so far.
In Unity, there's no subject and object, no comparisons at all, thus no way to distinguish between objective and subjective. Of course, when there's no problems, everything's fine.
All the tricky stuff enters when being-capabilities are limited. Each type of conscious being has its own limits of perception, but within for example human limits, it is possible to err more or less in trying to perceive and understand reality, as Gurdjieff pointed out. Working on the self as an existentialist striving of sorts depends on the quality of perception, and so the quest to improve accuracy or what's done with the hardware nature has given us then follows as part of that great striving.
P. D. Ouspensky, in describing Gurdjieff's teaching, probably had in mind as a contrasting view his own earlier descriptions in the book Tertium Organum. Ouspensky emphasized how human perception was too limited in dimensionality, and how we failed to perceive a 4th dimension of space and more dimensions of time than we took into account existed. More than half a century later, some descriptions of 4D beings and realms touched on such ideas, but obviously that's still very far from Unity, though it's one solid step up from human limitations of perception. But at the human level, a striving, in a little sub-octave, could eventually lead up that one step to the 4D-level.
(02-09-2021, 08:08 PM)Patrick Wrote: I have come to believe that true objectivity can only be perceived within Unity. Which would mean that while veiled everything is pretty much subjective.
In Unity, there's no subject and object, no comparisons at all, thus no way to distinguish between objective and subjective. Of course, when there's no problems, everything's fine.
All the tricky stuff enters when being-capabilities are limited. Each type of conscious being has its own limits of perception, but within for example human limits, it is possible to err more or less in trying to perceive and understand reality, as Gurdjieff pointed out. Working on the self as an existentialist striving of sorts depends on the quality of perception, and so the quest to improve accuracy or what's done with the hardware nature has given us then follows as part of that great striving.
P. D. Ouspensky, in describing Gurdjieff's teaching, probably had in mind as a contrasting view his own earlier descriptions in the book Tertium Organum. Ouspensky emphasized how human perception was too limited in dimensionality, and how we failed to perceive a 4th dimension of space and more dimensions of time than we took into account existed. More than half a century later, some descriptions of 4D beings and realms touched on such ideas, but obviously that's still very far from Unity, though it's one solid step up from human limitations of perception. But at the human level, a striving, in a little sub-octave, could eventually lead up that one step to the 4D-level.