08-26-2012, 06:28 AM
(08-25-2012, 06:10 PM)ShinAr Wrote: [quote='Cyan' pid='95296' dateline='1345908794']
Does discernment not pay a huge part in communication?
Not in my thinking Cyan.
Discernment is done by the individual regarding what was communicated to them. Discernment can be a group effort, but that is not the point I am making in this case.
(08-25-2012, 12:38 PM)DMCubic Wrote: Given this, it becomes problematic to say flat-out that negative circumstances are not beautiful. If one accepts that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you have to deal with a significant minority who believes negativity is beautiful. That's not insubstantial enough to just write them off as foolish.
My knowledge is that the darkness is eternal. My opinion is that it's as beautiful as the light.
DMC, the argument you make is the same one that humanity has debated for countless centuries. It is the Star Trek mantra of ‘sacrificing the few for the many’. And the argument to that has been our definition of what makes us human if we would sacrifice even one life. In other words what we speak of here is not a matter of semantics, the eye of the beholder or the experiencing of The All in its many facets.
It is simply a matter of the attributes which we have been endowed with from the Divine, and how we as humans will manifest those attributes.
Being human is not a matter of being an individual identity with no regard for life or the Mystery from which it spawns.
Being human is a process in which we discover that evolving is more than simply experiencing The All, it is building wisdom and character which evolves into higher being. Not as some higher form of an illusionary human self, but as a field of consciousness fragmented from the One Consciousness evolving as it does more than simply experience, but also as It becomes that which it began as; Light.
The duality of light and dark is not a matter of perception; it is a matter of One Process of Being struggling to comprehend its reality. In this process of discovery one process of being seek Light, not darkness. Darkness is what it now realizes. Light is the goal and the direction.
You misunderstand me if you suppose that I do not realize that many will see beauty in things that others may find beauty in.
But that realization does not mean that the discerning of those who see beauty in torture and pain is not afflicted with error and unwise judgement. It simply means that in their misunderstanding they see beauty in things that are not beautiful.
That you see beauty in horror does not grant you the right to redefine beauty. It simply means that in your process of being, and your discernment of experience, you have in error seen beauty in that which is not beautiful.
Regardless of any one’s particular perceptions, when they observe a family slowly starving to death and see one member of that family murder another in order to cannibalize the body, and they see a father sacrifice his last morsel of food for his child so that it can survive, it is not difficult to know which is beauty and which is not.
The cannibal may be a reality of this creation and part of The All, but its true character and relation to the All is manifest not in its mere existing side by side, but in its choices made within the process of being.
Beauty is manifest in the father’s sacrifice, the manifestation of love rather than selfishness.
Beauty is what defines the character of The All in its choices made during the process of being, not the actual state of the individual experiences along the way.
If we were the last two humans on the planet, what would your definition of beauty matter if I was to kill us both? In that instance humanity and the opportunity for its development into higher being becomes nothing but memory of the One.
So it would seem that the only true priority is how The One will define beauty.
And what it will think of the human and their discernment and interaction with creation during the process of being.
Will it think of the human experience as one of honor and respect or one of disdain for life and attachment to selfish greed.
Will It think of the human experience as one where love is sought after rather than hatred? Will It think of the human experience as one filled with a love for darkness and things of negativity?
As the two last humans on the planet we have the opportunity to define how the human character is acknowledged within the All by the One. So is it important how we choose to manifest ourselves in that regard, or is all that matters our incessant need to satisfy our temporary flesh?
This is what humanity exists to learn.
This will be the legacy we leave to the All.
And the different destinations of selfishness and harmony are not had by following the same direction.
There is a specific direction of growth and evolution into higher being. And that direction does not define murder as a thing of beauty.
(08-25-2012, 02:34 PM)Huntress Wrote: Have you constructed ways you consider non-deluded which allow you to come to this more beautiful place where you no longer despair and anger while facing the ugliness squarely rather than merely separating from it? If so, I am very interested to hear them. This is a wonderful opportunity for exchange of perspective while offering love.
Despair and anger are emotions like any others. They cannot be denied or ignored. I acknowledge the chaos along with the design, and realize that the two are dual aspects of existence. But I also acknowledge as I tried to express to DMCubic, that I believe that evolution requires the balancing of duality in a way that promotes the wise development of the consciousness, as opposed to the mere experiencing without consequence or discernment.
It is my understanding that balancing one’s path so that extremity is avoided is the key to acquiring such growth stimulating wisdom. And it is my experience that without wise application of what we learn from our experiences growth into higher being will not be realized.
Those that love darkness in spite of the light are not growing in wisdom. Those that acknowledge the need to balance darkness with light so that the extremity is not manifest have realized the power of wise application of knowledge.
It is not that darkness is ugly or beautiful, or that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It is a matter of wise discernment of the evolving consciousness and whether or not it will evolve into higher being.
In my opinion it is not wise discernment to suggest that murder is beauty.
It is not that perception is a rite of passage, but that wise discernment of our perceptions defines the character of our development.
It is in this process of being which involves an understanding of balance, alchemy, and sacred geometry, that I am able to discern wisdom from foolishness. And it is the unfolding of the Divine Design, built into each of us, within which is found our inherent yearnings to seek that divine, and to cast off the darkness of seeking self.
If one chooses to define humanity as a greedy being seeing worth only in selfishness, than clinging to that humanity is what will preserve that identity.
If one chooses to define humanity as an experience of love and harmony where all beings are seen as sacred and as worthy as any other, than one must realize that human nature which follows the path of selfishness and greed will not achieve that identity.
As long as we see ourselves as individual humans experiencing creation at our leisure without regard or obligation to others, humanity will not be an experience of harmony and love but will be that which has been manifest on this planet for thousands of years.
When will we learn?
(08-25-2012, 11:39 PM)Huntress Wrote: You(Shin'Ar) said: "It is in this process of being which involves an understanding of balance, alchemy, and sacred geometry, that I am able to discern wisdom from foolishness."
Your discernment is not mine and vice versa. Neither you nor I is able to discern The Ultimate Truth at this "now" time. Each of us is seeks to discern our own truths, and in doing so, we seek to come closer to The Ultimate Truth. It is wise to consider the wisdom offered by those around us who are also earnestly seeking, & to discern such for self from an open heart.
You said: "Those that love darkness in spite of the light are not growing in wisdom." From that statement and the general feel of your posts so far, I feel quite certain that your understanding of my true intent is considerably different from my actual intent. Imo appreciating and accepting all aspects of creation, including darkness, is wise. I do not wish to imitate or feed darkness. It seems to me that you are unable to recognize that. It seems to me that your distaste of my complete acceptance of darkness casts a shadow upon my intent to illuminate darkness with light rather than perpetuate it. To me, the shadow that is cast by your distaste of my total acceptance of darkness only fuels and perpetuates more darkness. This very delimma is one reason I came to fully accept darkness. Finding ways to accept and love ALL rather than finding fault illuminates rather than casts shadow.
I value your opinions. Thank you for your thoughful reply. Again, much of your reasoning is similar to mine. As always, this is simply my understanding of things. Peace.
No Huntress,
It is not you that I point to in my thinking or anyone ijn particular. This is my lack of skill in communicating using proper definitions.
Many times when I use the term 'you', I should be using the term 'one', to point to the general population as a whole rather than making it sound as though I am referring to the person specific to the post I quoted.
You are absolutely right that to evolve we must engage the thought processes of other fields and share in their information and then discern and learn from that sharing. This is sacred to me.
However, my desire to point out that darkness and negative aspects of creation are not to be adored just because they exist is based upon the many times that I am aware of people which do worship the dark things of life.
You had made it clear from the start of your OP that was not your intention and I appreciate that, but your profession on the matter does not speak for the direction toward Light, but rather that dark is light.
I am in disagreement with your premise, not your choice to discern freely. The shadow of my distaste is very real as it reflects my true feeling for inaccuracy/delusion that causes many to suffer in confusion.
It is loving to shed light on such confusion whenever possible and to reveal other doorways that lead to higher understanding. When such light is shed the dark of course cringes in retreat, and will feel as though it has been abused. But that does not mean that the Light has suddenly become the dark.
And this is the difference between the two. This is the duality and its manifestation, and the reason why one cannot be the other. They are opposing forces that react to each other in repulsion away from the other.