(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:You can guide a horse to water...(08-24-2012, 07:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote: And yet their entire life's programming is related to raising planetary vibrations in accordance with this goal. The dispositions are there, the questions one asks, the virtues one cultivates, the way others are treated by example are really the important things with regards to that presence and what needs balancing here.
I was speaking of efficacy of teach/learnings. Ra themselves said that to not be able to teach/learn in the physical by showing is an handicap. Based upon my own personal life experiences I agree with Ra's statement. Efficacy of teach/learnings having a status of a Wanderer incarnated in third density space/time mind/body complex is much much less, again in my humble opinion, because there are limitations and many distortions of third density. Besides, Ra said that Wanderers do have three basic functions but only once the forgetting is penetrated, meaning that these functions do not function before the penetration.
(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:There haven't been that many wanderers until the 80's. Probably most of the wanderers are from Ra. It's kind of incestuous.zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: God knows how many tries there has been before to have "Ra contact" before it finally succeeded in 80's.But that has so little importance with respect to participation that it's almost irrelevant.
The reason to why I brought up Ra contact is that it is, in my humble opinion, the only Confederation source which is undistorted and uninfected, being a guiding light for Wanderers and their awakening to their status and their function here. This was probably planned by Ra social memory complex and other Confederation entities for quite some time, but has not been succeeded until 80's.
(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Maybe you find this "awakening" unimportant or irrelevant, and it is fine. But again, I find it important due those three basic functions after the penetration of the forgetting. And third density can be quite crushing, in my own experience and understanding. More than 9 of 10 Wanderers do not function here.Not sure what your point is. How many need to 'function'? I'm sure they are doing something, it's the best they have to offer. Why is that not sufficient?
(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:Could also completely obliterate it. Remember world war II followed and Tesla wanted to build a Death Ray. Not really the culture to handle 'free' energy.zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Even an *angellically* positive entity like Nikola Tesla didn't completely succeed with his "mission" so to speak.Sometimes the seeming ideal is not what is needed. Not achieving complete success is not lack of success.
I agree at some extent, and admit that intelligent infinity works in mysterious ways. But just want to add that an access to free energy upon this planet *could* be pointing in a more harmonious harvest, and positive direction of this planet.
(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:Takes a majority to achieve harmony. (I'm sensing a personal theme with effectiveness.)zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: And think of those two 5D wanderers who incarnated on Venus and how far they came from the mission they actually planned; the results were opposite. Currenty I am more inclined to think in unity100's lines in this post about difficulties of wanderers when incarnating here and difficulties to penetrate the veil.Results were opposite, in part, due to the huge lack of balance on Venus creating conditions where people became desperate to correct it. There was lack of opportunity there for such balancing, and the 'solution' did not take into consideration the deep-seated culture. This balancing was not successful in their 3rd density, but eventually in 5th.
Overabundance of love and compassion was sickening for those entities who were more inclined towards wisdom or negative path, yes. This compassion was balanced in 5D. However, the aim of those 5D Wanderers was in service to other selves, but instead they graduated in 4D-, and could only with great effort and after some time reverse their polarity, only to join Ra in their late 4D+ to recapitulate lessons of love. Looking at the planet as the whole, the harvest was 6 millions mind/body/spirit complexes during the first cycle. When these Wanderers joined Venus and started "holy war" during the second cycle the number of harvested mind/body/spirit complexes after the second and third cycles decreased to 500 thousand. This doesn't mean anything, I understand that. And shouldn't be presented as facts for firm opinions. Yet, I wonder: Ra mentioned one path being more efficious than the other. They said that be taken to negative time/space will make the journey longer, but that all is going to be alright at the end. They said that the lessons of third density is to learn ways of love. Looking at their harmonious environment during the first cycle there was many who graduated. Then there wasn't. Majority rules?
(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:To be blunt, I'd recommend exploring what in your life right now does not seem to be effective.zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Under normal (more harmonious than bellicose) third density conditions and circumstances it is much much more effective to teach/learn by coming/landing directly upon the physical planes and show by example etc etc. However, this has been learned to not to work on Gaia. I get that. Egypt and what happened there isn't the only place where it learned to be impractical. The whole Confederation tried this and that and whatnot else in different places, and nothing is working upon this planet... But coming as a Wanderer isn't effective either, in my current opinion. Less than 10% penetrate their status intelligently and what was it, only to the half of those 10% the information like Ra material makes sense? Not speaking of Ra material (in my humble understanding which I know to be different from many many others) being the only source from Confederation which is not distorted and infected.To me there's a lack of dignity in relying on outside assistance to balance things, as by so doing one necessarily can offer less uniqueness and creativity. It does impact free will choices and to that extent offers opportunities for the 'crusaders' to assist.
Ra responds to a calling and they are probably more effective in responding to those calling than interceding in our affairs in more down-to-earth methods. Remember, there are people that are *not* calling and so can not receive information even if they are capable of processing it. Majority rules here. You can only offer opportunities for them to learn and that is only the responsibility for those who are capable.
I understand what you are saying and accept it as valid. There are many reasons for Wanderers coming into third density incarnations. And these incarnations are probably needed by many many reasons, to lighten up planetary vibration for instance. I was speaking of efficacy of teach/learnings though, and that Ra themselves said about it being an handicap. It is however completely fine to disagree with Ra on that statement. I don't though due my own, as mentioned previous, personal life experiences in third density space/time mind/body complex.