(08-20-2012, 09:48 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: To the avowed vegetarian, no form of animal slaughter is permissible, no matter how painless and no matter with what respect the animal is regarded.
Since I am one of those 'avowed vegetarians' you are speaking for, I will respond and tell you it's not accurate.
Most vegetarians I know all agree that such a slaughter as you just described, when done out of absolute necessity, is acceptable.
The key here is necessity.
Quote:40.14 Questioner: In dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?
Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. In this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. The vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products.
I don't know of a single vegetarian who would have any issues with primitive peoples killing animals for survival. I don't know of a single vegetarian who would begrudge the Native Americans their reverent and thankful way of killing the deer or the bison, out of necessity.
However, I don't know of a single vegetarian who would approve of any killing of any animal, no matter how it's done, when it's not necessary.
In modern times, it's simply no longer necessary to kill animals for food.
That is the difference.
(08-20-2012, 09:48 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Nevertheless, in my world view what’s mentioned in this NatGeo article offers a needed alternative to current factory farms, and presents a model I support and am comfortable with given my understanding of the principles of the Law of One.
One cannot expect the employees of any farm, or even the farmer himself, to extend love to the animal they are killing for profit. Our own Austin does so, and there are undoubtedly others, but not on a wide scale. The idea of replacing factory farms with such 'conscious' killing, while maintaining the current rate of meat consumption, isn't practical. Not by a long shot.
If you are truly comfortable with such killing, then the only way to ensure it's done like that is to do it yourself.
Doing the killing yourself would ensure full responsibility for the death of the entity.
I have a question for you: If it were feasible (which I don't think it is, but just IF), then why is this method preferable to just avoiding meat?
(08-20-2012, 03:32 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Your point about "it's so flippin obvious" is well-taken
(08-20-2012, 03:32 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: but as I recall, that's not the conversation we were having at the time. I believe my general train of thought was more having to do with if not eating meat was important for 3D graduation.
We already know from Ra the criteria for graduation. We know that it's the overall love/compassion/service to others that matters, and eating meat or not eating meat is but one of many considerations. As I've previously said in this discussion, my main question regarding polarizing is: Was the person given an opportunity to feel compassion, and if so, how did s/he respond? It seems to me that diet per se has nothing to do with polarization/graduation, but our response to the opportunity to feel compassion has quite a lot to do with polarizing/graduation.
Also, graduation isn't the same as staying on the planet to help it heal. One school of thought is that some of us have taken on the task of helping clean and heal the planet. It could be that many people are eligible for graduation but whose vibrations aren't in harmony with the increased frequencies of the planet. It could be that some of those gravitating towards vegetarian/raw vegan diets feel such a pull because it's important for them, in order to accomplish their missions.
This is speculation of course, but might explain the recent trend towards vegetarianism and even raw vegan, which would have seemed quite radical a few decades, even 1 decade, ago.
(08-20-2012, 03:32 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: To which I concluded "not" or else we would have heard about the importance of this in channeled messages.
Ra told us that compassion/love/forgiveness are all important for polarizing. Simple extrapolation from that would indicate that declining an opportunity to feel compassion and make more compassionate choices, and instead choosing to satisfy self's desires, might have an impact on polarizing.
Ra also did say to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, and used the term animal products instead of meat (when asked about general guidelines, in contrast to guidelines specifically about Carla), and in light of Ra's inclination to avoid infringement, I'd say that's a very important clue. That word necessary is what makes it a very clear-cut guideline, in my opinion.
As for other channeled sources, the absence of the topic doesn't mean much, because all channeled sources have some degree of distortion. Ie., if the channel eats meat, s/he is likely to color the info somewhat. And being that most people, whether channels or not, do eat meat, well there ya go.
Here is one who does address the issue, and states that the ET's recommend "moving away from the heavy meats" and heading in the direction of raw vegan:
http://transformationenergetics.com/2012...nal-world/
(Thanks to Diana for this link)