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    Thread: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware.


    Siren

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    08-09-2012, 09:34 PM
    (08-09-2012, 11:12 AM)ShinAr Wrote: First of All Siren,

    I want to thank you deeply for challenging these thoughts along with me, with such depth and congruity. It is via such speculation and discussion that deep learning and further understanding can be had. I am always seeking to find thoughts that challenge my own which may enhance my path into further understanding.

    The gratitude is reciprocal. You learn/teach from me, I learn/teach from you. We all learn/teach from/to each other. The One learn/teaches from/to Itself.

    Quote:Becoming locked into a belief system as though it is no longer speculation, or for the purpose of wanting to avoid being wrong about a matter is the end of learning and I have sworn to be ever cautious of that trap.

    Let us be glad then and rejoice that we may have this 3rd density experience from which we may seek to comprehend the Source whence we came. Within this density we shall not fully, purely, truly attain this understanding, yet this experience is nevertheless most rich and useful for some of us who (for whatever reasons—known or unknown) seek in this particular direction.

    Quote:To this I acknowledge that I see Light as being two aspects of the One, just as darkness and light are two aspects of the One.

    I am compelled to comment upon this. Thinking in terms of "light VS dark" is, in my humble opinion, quite misleading, archaic and illogical.

    There is LIGHT. The actual polarity of this light is BRIGHTness (which is what people would typically refer to as "light") and DARKness (which is what people commonly understand as "absence of light"—when in fact it's simply (1) a lesser intensity of brightness of light, and/or (2) the absorption of this light, which may appear as non-radiance of light*). These two are qualities of LIGHT.

    [*This "darkness," however, is NOT what I refer to as the Void/Plenum/Infinity/Nothingness.]

    So in essence, there are degrees of BRILLIANCE to that LIGHT. That LIGHT may be perceived as BRIGHTER or DARKER. Higher density light will always be considered a greater, brighter, truer light from the vantage point of a lower density (i.e. from 3rd density perspective, 4D would appear as much, much brighter in contrast, 5D as overwhelmingly luminous, and so on).

    Quote:It seems that we only really differ in that you acknowledge Intelligent Energy as being love, which creates light/matter.

    Whereas I acknowledge Light as the Source/Infinity from which further light spawns and becomes creation. And so it is this aspect of your definition of Love which becomes the variable that differentiates our thought processes.

    Indeed, we differ on this point. The sequence is Love (the FOCUSing of Intelligent Infinity) creating the phenomenon we call LIGHT, the only material in and of the Creation.

    EDIT
    I do not intend to imply that this "light" must is separate from that energy/vibration, which is Love. All light (and matter) is IMBUED with that very energy. Light is the medium, the vehicle through which this ENERGY runs through. Light is vibrant because Love vibrates, breathes and pulsates within and through it. It is that Love/Thought that creates, transforms, manifests, articulates all matter/light. Love QUICKENS matter, which is light, and light is ALIVE, and the LIFE is Love. Light is inexorably intertwined to Love.

    It is not as if the Logos says "let there be light!" and light spawns "somewhere" OUTSIDE of the Logos. The Logos/Love breathes through that light the same way breath runs through your body. The Logos clothes itself, and all of its "parts," in light. The glove is not separate from the hand, so to speak.

    Again, these are very subtle nuances. It is not absolutely critical for you to see things the same way. This is 3D, the density of choice and responsibility, not 5D, the density of light proper. The Law of Light is not the lesson of 3D.

    Another brief note: whether condensed or un-condensed, the only MATERIAL is still LIGHT (just like frozen water and gaseous water remain being water—using this analogy, what you call "matter" here would be ice and what you call "light" would be the vapor).

    Addendum
    Let us set a foundation from which to work upon. There is LIGHT. Let us accept that all MATERIAL that makes up (builds up) every-THING is LIGHT. Therefore, your body right now is made of light (tissue, flesh, bones, blood, cells, chemicals, photons, etc, etc, it's all light matter in various degrees of consistency/frequency within a 3rd density configuration). Yes, it is MATTER, but matter is LIGHT. Is this agreeable to you?

    From the grand-view of the Logos, the One Light (which you would refer as the "True Light") is prismatically refracted into the rainbow-spectrum (7 densities). Each "step" of light (from red to violet) represents a gradual increase in the capacity of welcoming and accepting and working with greater intensities of light. This goes for both so-called "negative" and "positive" adepts. The only difference is that the positive adept walks the path of light seeking the brightness and radiating light to all, whilst the negative adept walks the path of light seeking the darkness and absorbing light from all else. Both entities are light beings, both entities depend on light, both entities made of light. One radiates light (hence the brightness), the other absorbs light (hence the darkness). There is no such thing as a non-light being.

    I only bring this up because in understanding the philosophy of both polarities of service, one may better comprehend the LIGHT.

    Quote:All thought is vibration/light/sound/ becoming material as it condenses. We agree on this. It is the Source, the aspect of love, and the concept of the void from which it spawns where our semantics part ways.

    From this quote, I would pluck out "light" from "vibration/sound" and place it alongside "material." Thus it would read as follows:
    All thought is vibration/sound becoming light/material as it condenses.

    Again, a very subtle correction. As I mentioned earlier, light/matter is inexorably intertwined to Love, and Love is imbued into all matter/light. These two concepts are not really separate.

    Quote:Okay let us agree that when we speak of distortion we are speaking of the first vibration or motion or energy of the Source. As such we cannot suggest that the Source is the first distortion, as it is the Source of the first distortion.

    I suppose we can mutually agree on this. I would employ the term "Source" as Intelligent Infinity (out of which a Love/Thought focuses and light results as consequence). It being "the Source" in the sense that every Love, or Creative Principle, emerges from It and merges back into It eternally. However, you may prefer to liken this Source to the "Mystery" of Infinity itself (prior to any awareness/consciousness/intelligence), which I would also agree with.

    Quote:Here Ra says that the first distortion is basically the ‘will’ to love, and that ‘love’ itself is the second distortion. Love being intelligent energy creates ‘Light’, which by succession will be the third distortion.

    You seem to have accurately grasped this concept.

    Quote:I am saying that Infinity is Light, which begets Intelligent Energy, which is the force of extending The Light, via the Process of Being/Intelligent Energy, which creates vibration/light/matter, which is simply the extension of The One/Light/Source/Infinity into existence as an energy/thought/vibration.

    Here you state Infinity is Light which begets Intelligent Energy, which extends light, which creates further vibration/light/matter. This is somewhat baffling.

    Quote:In your attempt to break down the process of being into various distortions, you have inadvertently separated that which is One

    I apologize if this is how it appeared to you. There is no separation. This is, however, quite difficult to accurately express when attempting to describe a process which may appear as linear/sequential.

    Quote:Here seems to be the glitch, in that the other quotes suggest that love and intelligent energy, being the first distortion, are one and the same, from which comes matter/light.

    This is no glitch. This is precisely correct. But again (I believe I'm saying this for the third time already), this Love/intelligent energy is imbued into all matter/light, so that matter/light carries this Love/intelligent energy. However, the difference between "light" and "energy" is extremely subtle, and we do not consider it critical to make a very stark distinction betwixt the two.

    Quote:In your order of succession the void is some sort of infinite nothingness/blackness where some Free Will of intelligent nature spawned and by love created all to follow.

    This is basically correct. I could offer some further corrections/clarifications however, but I would only be repeating myself again. I believe I've explicated this clearly enough, and I believe you grasped the gist of it sufficiently well already.

    Quote:In my order of succession the void is Infinite Light, The Source from which all spawned.

    Which is clearly where we clash/differ.

    Quote:We are made in the image of God. We are One with God. But we are NOT God, rather we are the Process of God ‘being’.

    Or rather, you are God experiencing Itself as God already being God.




    (08-09-2012, 08:33 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Again, as with Godwide, I point out that you say that this blackness is filled with dancing light. he saw two eyes or galaxies. you see images and dancing light.

    And yet you both claim that it is utter blackness.

    Can you elaborate?

    I cannot speak for GWV. I will, however, speak in regards to my experience and what I learned/discovered from it.

    This "blackness" is the infinite potential of Intelligent Infinity. The reason why there is light is because "I" am the THOUGHT/FOCUS of it. This is what Love does: it creates light from infinite potential.

    I cannot stop it.

    I have attempted to "see" only blackness absolute for years, and I have not been successful. I have even deliberately blinded myself and isolated myself from all light and sound in a chamber for a couple days (a sort of "sensory deprivation tank"), yet I still saw light, imagined light, dreamt light, and I heard the sound of my thoughts, the pulsation of my heart and the breath of my life (in fact, in that pitch-black obscurity I became even more AWARE of myself).

    I shall, however, if/when my efforts are sufficient, return to that state of un-focused, un-potentiated, un-differentiated Infinity. The time, however, is not yet.

    Thus, for the time being, I dream this dream of light. And light is my creation, my tool and my material, the medium through which I experience myself; and as I climb up the Rainbow Stairway, I approach ever closer to the pure White Light at the end of this Octave. I shall then fully know myself as the Pure Vibration that is Love pulsating "behind" that light. I will have satisfied my own intelligent estimate of a method of knowing myself. And then, finally, I shall dissolve once more into the One and All, into Nothingness, into Infinity.

    Thus it all ends/begins in Mystery.
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