07-11-2012, 10:54 AM
(07-11-2012, 08:04 AM)ShinAr Wrote: the difference is in the Divine Design. There is a way to ascend into Higher being which involves enlightenment and awareness of one's divinity.If you pick a fruit from the branch too soon it will be sour... If you pick it too late.. Well you can't pick it too late it will have fallen off on it's own... Fruits that are almost ready will begin to show change. But there's nothing the fruit or the farmer can do to in any way speed up the process. Spiritual growth is the same unfortunately.
There's many people who offer advice on spiritual growth. Everyone in 3d has an opinion. Religion among others clearly show that you can't force this in people by forcing behavioral patterns on them. Telling them what to believe how to act and what not to be attached to is ultimately pointless.
What to believe becomes dogma, how to act becomes empty ritual, and what not to be attached to becomes hatred. If it's not their time it's simply not going to happen.
(07-11-2012, 08:04 AM)ShinAr Wrote: That is not my rule. That is Divine Plan. I think you might be arguing with the wrong person if you want to challenge that Ali, lol.Haha
(No god you've got it all wrong, let uncle Ali explain it to you!)Though I'm not arguing with divine plan. I'm arguing with your understanding of it.

If God's plan is for everyone to become enlightened... Then why are we not all enlightened? I presume God is omnipotent and omnipresent. If he decides someone needs to be enlightened and aware of his divinity, that individual would bloody well be dragged kicking and screaming into his divinity. Life clearly demonstrates that we as a species need to be in different stages of evolution right now. And we are. Maybe that's the clue.
All things are exactly as the divine plan dictates them to be. Not one fruit falls from a tree without God having an intent with this. If some guy wants to polish his mercedes or play with his apple gadget and gets some kind of "religious" experience from that... Then I think that's exactly what's intended to be...
The one thing that struck me again and again in many spiritual experiences I have had is that everything is exactly as it should be. Even our own misunderstanding of the perfection is perfectly what is intended. By us... By our own higer self...
And then we go and decide against it... Morality of this kind is perfectly acceptable, good even, but we should not pretend that it's anything other than our brains and ego that makes these decisions. It's not a divine plan. If we decide that we end up as priests in religions dictating God what his will is.
If you think being addicted to life is wrong, then that's fine, the divine plan allows/wills you to believe this. But that does not mean the divine plan agrees with you

Oldern Wrote:One thing I know is that once I am able to do so, I would really, really wish to tap into MANY alternate Earth futures and just, as an Observer, see how things panned out. One where we were able to advance together as a society, one where we were not. One where we transformed our weaknesses, one where we did not.Don't wait.... You are tapped into this now! Imagination is not some virtual separated world. It is reality itself, the problem is what version of reality, and are the lessons learned there transferrable to this world?
We're taught from childhood that this realm of the imagination is useless and we should stay away from it. But it's not only the motor for all positive change in this world. It's also the gateway to different worlds. Through it we channel, perform magic and stay in touch with people beings and realities who are not in our current physical frame of reference.
Very little of the imagination is worthless, though it might not be applicable in every situation. Discernment is required.