01-05-2010, 12:35 PM
Hey Dustin,
So I finally sat down with a printed copy of this thread last night and examined it for about an hour. I think I understand the theory more now, but I wanted to ask you some general questions about your initial diagrams so that I can be sure we are on the same page:
- You have illustrated your theory with geometrical charts. I presume these are all math based? I will not attempt to offer you a hard critique in that area as I simply am not well versed in math. But I wanted to put out there, are you sure these geometries are the correct ones to use? I.e. maybe linear lines better serve instead of circles, etc? Not saying that is correct, but offering you the idea.
- When looking at the circle or wheel in Fig 1. I am trying to understand where the 'start' or 'entry point' is for creation. I believe this is at point B? Also the same point acts as the 'finish line' so to speak?
- The Y axis which is representative of time, correct? 14 billion years referring to the approximate age of the universe? How then does this work once humanity passes point D, where according to the diagram we would be moving backwards in time? Is this in reference to the peak expansion of the universe, then moving backwards in to a big crunch perhaps? (if so we'll need to look at that with some scrutiny!)
- On the topic of time, you note that each quarter are not equal lengths of time, following instead the golden ratio and resulting spiral. How can you be sure this is correct to apply? Also can you then break down the time span for each quarter?
- Can you please further illuminate the concepts of Exigency, Good, and Value. Particularly as it relates to having a negative value for any of them. (I do not understand how "-1 Good" works, etc. If comparing to the LOO information, I would have guessed at point D we should have +1 Good?
- I am mentally trying to see how this chart (Fig 1.) moves along the Z axis and what that means. You have shown the chart moving in a counter clockwise direction and X & Y, adding the Z will move it in a corkscrew direction / shape as you have shown on the second page. Is there also a discreet start / end point that is not illustrated for the Z axis movement? Is it creating a circle (like a coiled bit of pasta top connected to bottom), or maybe itself wrapping in to a larger coil? (E.g. DNA helix type shape) Or is it forming some other geometric pattern such as a hexagon, etc, or just moving in a straight line?
- Can you please re-explain Fig. 3? You here are proposing possible alternate meanings for Fig. 1, yes? But they also work together in a gear like fashion?
- Fig. 2 implies that all of the Fig. 3 potentials may well exist, is this correct? And that as the wheel of Fig. 1 spins / evolves we move through these different cycles of meaning / evolution?
- So each cycle lasts three quarters. Do the quarters themselves have any meaning separate from the type of cycle that is involved? What I mean is, are there any specific characteristics attributed to each quarter that do not change? You have listed Aesthetic (Summer), Simplicity (Fall), Competition (Winter) and Plenty (Spring). Are these titles static, or are they relative to the cycle, as shown in Fig. 3? Also, how did you come to title each quarter thus shown, and why?
- According to the duration of each cycle of evolution (3 quarters), following multiple cycles means that the start and end points for each cycle will themselves rotate. If we imagine the chart moving along the Z axis, leaving a dot in space where each cycle starts / ends, the result of this would be another corkscrew trail- just an observation.
A long list of questions, although I know you are probably happy to have some queries to chew on.
Have you considered, once of if the theory can be tempered, tested and made fully solid, publishing a book on the topic? Also, I still plan to compare this idea to the Law of One idea, once I feel I have a good understanding (still not there..!)
- Ok, one last question. How universal is this theory? Can it be applied to any other topics aside from large scale consciousness evolution? How about finances, sports, physics, earthquake prediction, animal / human behavior, artistic aesthetics, or any number of other things? I realize these are all subsets of what you have already charted (i.e. the big picture) but, if it is indeed something like a universal truth or universal geometry (like the Fibonacci spiral in nature) maybe it will be seen to be useful in everything(?). Much like the spiral shows itself in the snail's shell as well as the spiral galaxy, one being within the other. I also realize the possibility that some of my suggestions just might not make any sense, but being in a unique position of not having full understanding, you have the benefit of my suggestion of any number of wacky things, some of which may yield fruit.
Fun stuff.
So I finally sat down with a printed copy of this thread last night and examined it for about an hour. I think I understand the theory more now, but I wanted to ask you some general questions about your initial diagrams so that I can be sure we are on the same page:
- You have illustrated your theory with geometrical charts. I presume these are all math based? I will not attempt to offer you a hard critique in that area as I simply am not well versed in math. But I wanted to put out there, are you sure these geometries are the correct ones to use? I.e. maybe linear lines better serve instead of circles, etc? Not saying that is correct, but offering you the idea.
- When looking at the circle or wheel in Fig 1. I am trying to understand where the 'start' or 'entry point' is for creation. I believe this is at point B? Also the same point acts as the 'finish line' so to speak?
- The Y axis which is representative of time, correct? 14 billion years referring to the approximate age of the universe? How then does this work once humanity passes point D, where according to the diagram we would be moving backwards in time? Is this in reference to the peak expansion of the universe, then moving backwards in to a big crunch perhaps? (if so we'll need to look at that with some scrutiny!)
- On the topic of time, you note that each quarter are not equal lengths of time, following instead the golden ratio and resulting spiral. How can you be sure this is correct to apply? Also can you then break down the time span for each quarter?
- Can you please further illuminate the concepts of Exigency, Good, and Value. Particularly as it relates to having a negative value for any of them. (I do not understand how "-1 Good" works, etc. If comparing to the LOO information, I would have guessed at point D we should have +1 Good?
- I am mentally trying to see how this chart (Fig 1.) moves along the Z axis and what that means. You have shown the chart moving in a counter clockwise direction and X & Y, adding the Z will move it in a corkscrew direction / shape as you have shown on the second page. Is there also a discreet start / end point that is not illustrated for the Z axis movement? Is it creating a circle (like a coiled bit of pasta top connected to bottom), or maybe itself wrapping in to a larger coil? (E.g. DNA helix type shape) Or is it forming some other geometric pattern such as a hexagon, etc, or just moving in a straight line?
- Can you please re-explain Fig. 3? You here are proposing possible alternate meanings for Fig. 1, yes? But they also work together in a gear like fashion?
- Fig. 2 implies that all of the Fig. 3 potentials may well exist, is this correct? And that as the wheel of Fig. 1 spins / evolves we move through these different cycles of meaning / evolution?
- So each cycle lasts three quarters. Do the quarters themselves have any meaning separate from the type of cycle that is involved? What I mean is, are there any specific characteristics attributed to each quarter that do not change? You have listed Aesthetic (Summer), Simplicity (Fall), Competition (Winter) and Plenty (Spring). Are these titles static, or are they relative to the cycle, as shown in Fig. 3? Also, how did you come to title each quarter thus shown, and why?
- According to the duration of each cycle of evolution (3 quarters), following multiple cycles means that the start and end points for each cycle will themselves rotate. If we imagine the chart moving along the Z axis, leaving a dot in space where each cycle starts / ends, the result of this would be another corkscrew trail- just an observation.
A long list of questions, although I know you are probably happy to have some queries to chew on.
Have you considered, once of if the theory can be tempered, tested and made fully solid, publishing a book on the topic? Also, I still plan to compare this idea to the Law of One idea, once I feel I have a good understanding (still not there..!)- Ok, one last question. How universal is this theory? Can it be applied to any other topics aside from large scale consciousness evolution? How about finances, sports, physics, earthquake prediction, animal / human behavior, artistic aesthetics, or any number of other things? I realize these are all subsets of what you have already charted (i.e. the big picture) but, if it is indeed something like a universal truth or universal geometry (like the Fibonacci spiral in nature) maybe it will be seen to be useful in everything(?). Much like the spiral shows itself in the snail's shell as well as the spiral galaxy, one being within the other. I also realize the possibility that some of my suggestions just might not make any sense, but being in a unique position of not having full understanding, you have the benefit of my suggestion of any number of wacky things, some of which may yield fruit.
Fun stuff.