06-03-2012, 06:36 AM
(06-02-2012, 09:39 PM)TheEternal Wrote: Aha You are misunderstanding me. I absolutely see where you're coming from, that my application of the word human may be misleading, however, I use it because of the context that we are human and animal. (In my mind, our mammalian "name" is homo sapien)
I am not using the word human to define the consciousness within, but rather I am expressing that the human design (which, by the way, applies to all HUMANoid forms, whether they are of feline, canine, or primate or some other base impulse) is a gateway tool for, one, accessing all of the vast realms of infinity, and two, for understanding the workings of the universe, for the human form, like all forms, is a microcosm of the unified macrocosm.
So rather, I use human as referring to a characteristic, or concept of "humanness", which we commonly identify with "personification". I came here to discover what it means to be human and now I see that to be human is to experience the unfoldment of God, to be the process. The human is not a body, the human is a creative spirit, nay, the creative mind of the Creator itself.
I use this word very particularly as a context.
So would you say, in this context, that you could also use the form of a cat, dog, or ape to achieve the same results of experiencing the geometric experience of transforming between microcosm and macrocosm?
(06-03-2012, 02:02 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Perhaps it might clear up this confusion if I said that I could be in any form and say the same thing from the same perspective and I feel it would hold true. This is exactly my point, is that humans are as significant as their existence. Some people find the human form fascinating, and what is wrong with that? There is nothing evil about the human form in and of itself, once again the choice of "polarity" or indeed morality comes from the choice of the use of the form.
That being said, at no point am I expressing that there are not multitudes of other forms out there, nor that I even intend to always stick to the human form, but rather I would try to draw attention away from attitudes that attempt to create illusory distinctions of good and evil.
That being said, I'm almost unsure how I'm even actually defining good and evil. There are so many things and situations that are apparently circumstantial, although I'm also lead to believe that we choose everything we experience. This reminds me of a story I read recently whereby a buddhist monk was on a ship, and he found out there was a man who intended to kill everyone and commandeer the ship, and the monk knew the man had this capability. Of course, being a buddhist, the idea of killing a man was abhorrent, but what could he do? He chose to kill the man and saved hundreds of lives.
Naturally, he felt very guilty and upon landing he immediately went to the buddha to confess and ask for advice. He express how deeply he felt his guilt, but the buddha gently stopped him and said, "Do not regret your actions, for what you did was out of love and a desire to protect."
I've realized that there is hard force and there is soft force, all is change, all involves force, you have only the choice of how you are going to direct that force.
The way I approach discussing with anyone is to try to bring things in in steps so it is graspable by the other individual. You do not need to use too much or too little force in any situation, and this is why wisdom is so important, because Love is Force.
What is human? FEELING, living, being, breathing, smelling, tasting, sensing, thinking, experiencing, growing, evolving, expanding and ever more in its rich experiences.
okay, that is what I get for not reading all of the posts before I respond to one. I see that you had already answered my question in this one.
It is interesting to see you use polarity and morality as synonyms. when describing choice, and then in the next sentence state that you are " I would try to draw attention away from attitudes that attempt to create illusory distinctions of good and evil."
here you have pointed out that the use of the vehicle is what designates its polarity and/or morality, and you want to draw our attention away from those who would also point out the same.
Why do you feel the need to draw attention away from such profession?
And then you go on to make note of the fact that you are not really certain about your definitions of evil and good and use the Buddhist monk story to define the differences that do exist and the choices around them.
I have to first state that I am not trying to convert anyone here, or to persuade anyone to believe as I do about anything in particular. this is a two way conversation on matters that include the speculations of two consciousnesses. I am not judging anyone's abilities to comprehend or express their understandings. I seek only to discuss what they have to say on matters in the hopes of using what they say to enhance my own understanding by discerning the credibility or applicability of their thought process.
Azrael, is it possible that are not actually settled on this in your mind and that you are only trying to stabilize what you would like to believe and find it difficult to change your thinking even when you admit to not being certain on a matter?
You don't have to answer that. I just ask it so that you may consider it. You have already stated that, "I'm almost unsure how I'm even actually defining good and evil."
In my opinion you are fighting a battle between the wisdom and memory of your consciousness, and the desires that your 'human/cat/dog/ape experience would like to enjoy. I have heard you quite adequately explain the dilemma around good and evil many times before without any confusion whatsoever. I have also heard you express full understanding of the spirit/flesh complex. I am also aware that there are some in this community who come here offering the thoughts of consciousness which speaks through them in one post and then in another speak via their own and reveal a very different character.
I can see in your case both the Eternal and the Azrael that I first came to know. And I hear here Azrael and the shadow.
Would you consider this in as much as you are aware that such things are possible and that it could be that you are experiencing this?