I want to inject a few ideas into the mix. I've fleshed them out more in past posts, but I feel they spice up the harvest conversation for myself.
First, i'll say that I believe that it will be both a sudden and gradual transition in different perspectives. In the sudden perspective, I believe there will definitely be an 'a-ha!' moment. It will not be shared throughout all of humanity, but I believe this will come in the form of information or an event that will blow up the entire planet's worldview. I think the most obvious example of something like this would be disclosure or first contact. It could also happen suddenly as an energetic shift leading to physical/perceptual changes, but like JustLikeYou mentioned above, these types of events would be followed by long periods of gradual change. So enters the gradual perspective, relating to things like the technological singularity and the future of this planet. I think these ideas have been fleshed out well enough, so I will not repeat them here.
The first idea I find interesting is the whole 3D/4D body thing. A certain quote that stood out to me from Ra was that the 4D body was 'more electrical in nature' to our current chemical-natured 3D bodies. For myself, the first thing that pops into my head is the brain and technology. Our brains and nervous systems run with electricity already, but much of these processes are triggered and controlled by chemical processes which act as controllers of these functions. Could the shift to 4D include the gained control over our bodies like we control our minds in 3D? Can our consciousness expand beyond our minds and include our bodies and the world around us, thus signalling the shift to 4D? This could also be bridged by technology. Instead of having to rely on our bodies to create the proper effects for optimal health, we could develop nanotechnology that gives you control of not only your body's health, but also your appearance and other factors. The explosion of technology that we can expect over the next few decades (granted we don't blow ourselves up) means that no idea is off the table. The problem with this idea is that it's very utopian and not very realistic. This is where intervention comes in for myself.
If we are to accept the Ra material, we pretty much also need to accept the idea of ET life. We are told about the quarantine as a condition of 3D catalyst. However, the shift from 3D to 4D includes the dropping of the veil and therefore, the dropping of the quarantine. We are told by Ra that our planet was ending the 75,000 year 3D cycle near or around 2011. For myself, there has to be some acceptance to the fact that when the veil drops, the possibility of ET intervention and disclosure is very possible as an ushering-in of the 4D cycle. The only thing keeping them back now is the quarantine; when it is gone, so are the obstacles between them and us. If Q'uo is to be believed, this planet is going to 4D+ with no problems. I also have a theory on that.
Some have a problem with my ideas because they don't see how our shitty, broken world could ever be 4D+ enough to be harvestable. I see harvest rates of 10-15% and all these really conservative estimates that don't resonate with me at all. Here's my idea: I think that the way that the system works, when a soul becomes harvestable before the end of cycle, they step back and stop reincarnating for a bit. In return for this act, they are promised and given a spot for the 'closing ceremonies' of 3D so they can physically ascend with the planet as a reward, for lack of better word. Now, at the time the Law of One was channeled, RA was still quite doubtful of our planet's ability to be positively harvested. Since that time, Q'uo has said that we have easily risen the vibrations to a positive harvest through a large influx of wanderers and high-vibration earth souls incarnating on this sphere. If we look at planetary population, the world went from 3.5 billion people to 7 billion today over the last 30 years alone. My assumption is that this huge spike in population is linked to the influx of 'graduated' souls and wanderers who have intended to be incarnated here for the planetary ascension. I believe Ra speaks a little about this (or it was Q'uo) with the harmonic convergence date of 1976 or something close to that. My feeling is that past that date, a number of the 'graduated' souls started to incarnate in order to aid and help in the ascension process. Since the LOO was channeled only 5-6 years later than this date, we can't have expected Ra to know that such a large population spike would occur. We also have no idea how many wanderers have been sent/chose to come here. These are all things that make me question the hard language Ra uses in his information regarding Harvest.
I think Ra's language is the hardest aspect of discussing the harvest - RA did not make it easy. Death is a dead-end word for many; it can't be interpreted as much else than a very concrete idea in our heads (the end of this). However, RA also likens dreaming to death in other passages, so I think we need to be careful. I believe Ra likes to poke at us with this language; their own little easter egg of 3D catalyst within the teachings themselves. RA didn't want to remove any catalyst from our possibilities by softening the message (dude, hover cars are coming! and free money! just meditate in your basement and wait it out...). RA wanted to challenge us, and does so by throwing our broken concept of 'death' in our faces just like many of the other great teachers we have been given by the source like Jesus and Buddha. We have to let go of our attachment to this world and density; in this way, I believe a harvest event would act as a death event for most of us. Would any of us not feel like a completely different person if we were told we no longer had to play 'the game' anymore? I know I would. We must die to ourselves; I don't believe this means we die in a physical sense. We die in a perceptual sense.
I covered this is past threads much more deeply, but here again we come to certain concepts that Ra gives us. When we and the planet ascend to 4D, the 3D sphere deactivates because it is incompatible with the 4D sphere. RA says this is because someone in 4D would not be able to trick themselves into a 3D mindset; the veil no longer applies and it becomes nearly impossible. In this way, I believe this supports the gradual & sudden views; if we experience something like disclosure, could we really just return to the way things were beforehand? Could we just laugh about it, go to bed, and get up the next day and do the exact same thing as before? For how long could we forget about it? For me, these types of events could easily signify a 'death-type' event for all on earth. Something that also stuck out to me was that while the 3D and 4D bodies cannot coexist, the 1D and 2D bodies stay activated through both. RA claims that the 1D/2D body can survive without the 3D/4D, but not for long as the physical vessel is not designed to be without the higher density body (ie: we're soft, breakable, and would be savage). The interesting thing to me is that this opens the possibility that at the 'sudden' harvest point, our 3D minds 'die' as our 4D minds begin, and for a short time (who knows? 5 seconds? 5 hours? 3 days?) our bodies are purely 1D/2D as we transition. Maybe we just sleep during that time - I don't know.
I feel like my brain just threw up all over this thread. I'm sure most of this seems like rambling crazy talk, but thanks for putting up with me! Ultimately, all this harvest talk will always degenerate to "let's wait and see!".... sooooo let's wait and see!
First, i'll say that I believe that it will be both a sudden and gradual transition in different perspectives. In the sudden perspective, I believe there will definitely be an 'a-ha!' moment. It will not be shared throughout all of humanity, but I believe this will come in the form of information or an event that will blow up the entire planet's worldview. I think the most obvious example of something like this would be disclosure or first contact. It could also happen suddenly as an energetic shift leading to physical/perceptual changes, but like JustLikeYou mentioned above, these types of events would be followed by long periods of gradual change. So enters the gradual perspective, relating to things like the technological singularity and the future of this planet. I think these ideas have been fleshed out well enough, so I will not repeat them here.
The first idea I find interesting is the whole 3D/4D body thing. A certain quote that stood out to me from Ra was that the 4D body was 'more electrical in nature' to our current chemical-natured 3D bodies. For myself, the first thing that pops into my head is the brain and technology. Our brains and nervous systems run with electricity already, but much of these processes are triggered and controlled by chemical processes which act as controllers of these functions. Could the shift to 4D include the gained control over our bodies like we control our minds in 3D? Can our consciousness expand beyond our minds and include our bodies and the world around us, thus signalling the shift to 4D? This could also be bridged by technology. Instead of having to rely on our bodies to create the proper effects for optimal health, we could develop nanotechnology that gives you control of not only your body's health, but also your appearance and other factors. The explosion of technology that we can expect over the next few decades (granted we don't blow ourselves up) means that no idea is off the table. The problem with this idea is that it's very utopian and not very realistic. This is where intervention comes in for myself.
If we are to accept the Ra material, we pretty much also need to accept the idea of ET life. We are told about the quarantine as a condition of 3D catalyst. However, the shift from 3D to 4D includes the dropping of the veil and therefore, the dropping of the quarantine. We are told by Ra that our planet was ending the 75,000 year 3D cycle near or around 2011. For myself, there has to be some acceptance to the fact that when the veil drops, the possibility of ET intervention and disclosure is very possible as an ushering-in of the 4D cycle. The only thing keeping them back now is the quarantine; when it is gone, so are the obstacles between them and us. If Q'uo is to be believed, this planet is going to 4D+ with no problems. I also have a theory on that.
Some have a problem with my ideas because they don't see how our shitty, broken world could ever be 4D+ enough to be harvestable. I see harvest rates of 10-15% and all these really conservative estimates that don't resonate with me at all. Here's my idea: I think that the way that the system works, when a soul becomes harvestable before the end of cycle, they step back and stop reincarnating for a bit. In return for this act, they are promised and given a spot for the 'closing ceremonies' of 3D so they can physically ascend with the planet as a reward, for lack of better word. Now, at the time the Law of One was channeled, RA was still quite doubtful of our planet's ability to be positively harvested. Since that time, Q'uo has said that we have easily risen the vibrations to a positive harvest through a large influx of wanderers and high-vibration earth souls incarnating on this sphere. If we look at planetary population, the world went from 3.5 billion people to 7 billion today over the last 30 years alone. My assumption is that this huge spike in population is linked to the influx of 'graduated' souls and wanderers who have intended to be incarnated here for the planetary ascension. I believe Ra speaks a little about this (or it was Q'uo) with the harmonic convergence date of 1976 or something close to that. My feeling is that past that date, a number of the 'graduated' souls started to incarnate in order to aid and help in the ascension process. Since the LOO was channeled only 5-6 years later than this date, we can't have expected Ra to know that such a large population spike would occur. We also have no idea how many wanderers have been sent/chose to come here. These are all things that make me question the hard language Ra uses in his information regarding Harvest.
I think Ra's language is the hardest aspect of discussing the harvest - RA did not make it easy. Death is a dead-end word for many; it can't be interpreted as much else than a very concrete idea in our heads (the end of this). However, RA also likens dreaming to death in other passages, so I think we need to be careful. I believe Ra likes to poke at us with this language; their own little easter egg of 3D catalyst within the teachings themselves. RA didn't want to remove any catalyst from our possibilities by softening the message (dude, hover cars are coming! and free money! just meditate in your basement and wait it out...). RA wanted to challenge us, and does so by throwing our broken concept of 'death' in our faces just like many of the other great teachers we have been given by the source like Jesus and Buddha. We have to let go of our attachment to this world and density; in this way, I believe a harvest event would act as a death event for most of us. Would any of us not feel like a completely different person if we were told we no longer had to play 'the game' anymore? I know I would. We must die to ourselves; I don't believe this means we die in a physical sense. We die in a perceptual sense.
I covered this is past threads much more deeply, but here again we come to certain concepts that Ra gives us. When we and the planet ascend to 4D, the 3D sphere deactivates because it is incompatible with the 4D sphere. RA says this is because someone in 4D would not be able to trick themselves into a 3D mindset; the veil no longer applies and it becomes nearly impossible. In this way, I believe this supports the gradual & sudden views; if we experience something like disclosure, could we really just return to the way things were beforehand? Could we just laugh about it, go to bed, and get up the next day and do the exact same thing as before? For how long could we forget about it? For me, these types of events could easily signify a 'death-type' event for all on earth. Something that also stuck out to me was that while the 3D and 4D bodies cannot coexist, the 1D and 2D bodies stay activated through both. RA claims that the 1D/2D body can survive without the 3D/4D, but not for long as the physical vessel is not designed to be without the higher density body (ie: we're soft, breakable, and would be savage). The interesting thing to me is that this opens the possibility that at the 'sudden' harvest point, our 3D minds 'die' as our 4D minds begin, and for a short time (who knows? 5 seconds? 5 hours? 3 days?) our bodies are purely 1D/2D as we transition. Maybe we just sleep during that time - I don't know.
I feel like my brain just threw up all over this thread. I'm sure most of this seems like rambling crazy talk, but thanks for putting up with me! Ultimately, all this harvest talk will always degenerate to "let's wait and see!".... sooooo let's wait and see!
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