Spiral Light Show over Norway

[Ali Quadir]

You are so persistent and i don't have any knowledge in this rocketmissile field that i almost begin to think you might be right....

Persistence only indicates my conviction, whether I'm right depends on my argument. I hope you won't accept my argument if it's only because of persistence.

....but I also know that you put no value in astrology which i have studied and practiced for 20 years and this makes me reluctant to trust in your statements...since i suspect you have not studied astrology in any depth you cannot just dismiss it just like that, you have to study it at least for one year and then come back to discuss the validity of this anscient art with me...

I am afraid you've misunderstood something somewhere. I'm not a student of astrology. But I'm not opposed to it. I do put value in it. I just have too little knowledge to use it or to judge it. One of my close friends studies it, he's drawn my chart and explained some things it was definitely insightful... If at any point I seemed dismissive towards astrology it's more a matter of ignorance than not having faith in it.

..if it actually is a missile since you've got the scientific knowledge and proof it is, YOU MUST BE RIGHT..and since i have studied and practiced astrology for 20 years I ALSO MUST BE RIGHT....right

I value your insights. I am not opposed to astrology, I've seen enough of it to be impressed, but I've seen too little of it to use it in practical situations. And when you guys start talking planets houses and squares you lose me pretty quickly. Perhaps you picked this up, please don't mistake my ignorance for opposition.

During mercury retrograde, i'm willing to change my views, information is missing, desinformation is rampant, delays, computors crashing, difficulties in reaching conclusions...

Mercury IS retrograde isn't it? I've used this as an argument, so I damn well hope I didn't misread the charts. I looked up a few charts 3 days ago. Both for personal issues, and to check this mercury retrograde rumor I was hearing.

Maybe it was just intended as a potentiator for those on the path or beginning to realize the path.

I think this is correct. The amount of synchronicities to me indicate it is a spiritual event, no matter it's physical components.

Needless to say I'm a little disappointed with David's production. I could not bring myself to read it in depth yet. But I've scanned through it. He's considering all the things I have asked myself and consequently explained as proof beyond doubt that it cannot be a missile. His research was mediocre at best.

Yes. One thing I noticed about David after watching many of his videos and listening to hours of his audio is that he will very consistently explain anything and everything with the most 'far out' explanation possible, dismissing any less fantastic explanation as silly. This is the same type of investigative error that many people make, it is simple close mindedness. If you go in to something with a preset belief in place it is very unlikely that you will find anything else. Oddly, this usually happens on the complete opposite end of the spectrum with so called 'skepical' reporters. But, true skepticism is true open mindedness, not willing to believe anything until having gathered sufficient evidence. Most people that identify themselves as 'skeptics' are in fact cynics.

Good point Lavazza, I agree with your views on skepticism. I usually call this pseudo skepticism. It's people who act skeptically but do so on gut feeling or intuition more than on rational arguments.

I will check your Bashar vid. Incidentally... Bashar is awesome.. Good morning this morning of your time!!! I can't now, someone is killing dragons on the same internet connection.

The real question about the spiral light show over Norway is not what or how it was, but why it was.

That is exactly the question. My worry is that if it's believed to be anything else than an apparent accident, we'll read the NWO into it, while in my opinion the agent is the Gaian social memory complex. It's been awake for a while now... It's just not fully rubbed the stars from it's sleepy eyes yet. But it's done a few things like this.

This end of the world stuff was relevant 10 years ago. Most people were not awake then.. The conspiracy crowd those days barely reached the news. And we went through the eye of the needle. Something happened that caused earthlings to massively awaken that was not instigated by our ET friends or any faction of people. This "agent" for lack of a better term acts more and more regularly. Sometimes we call it our ET friends. But something even bigger than them is on our side.

Our understanding of the situation of the world, calling these things ET's is simply our understanding of what this means. They're no more et's than they're angels or demons. They're part of a world that contains concepts that we have no words for.

Anyone ever wondered why the whole universe is sitting front row on this one? What's happening here is a little bigger than earth going into 4d. People go into 4d on a daily basis in this universe.

@Monica
Don't feel like I feel hurt because of you. It's actually that I just wanted to point out that the impossible alternative is very explainable. There is a discussion at DC, I'm there, but I'm getting the feeling that I'm only turning myself into a persona non grata. At a certain point if people want to believe and made up their minds. It's not only not my job but it'd be bad form for me to badger them.

I don't care that David makes errors. Well I do, but I won't allow myself to be upset by that... The problem is that science is a very strict doctrine. It's a set of rules and agreements on when to accept something as true or as not true. Scientific truth is not the same as literal/absolute truth. It's often wrong. But the point is that it's a protocol of agreements which means that if we call something a scientific truth it holds up to some standards it means something more than just someone thinks its a truth. Calling something scientific truth or scientific impossibility when it's not is the same as calling someone from india a native inuit. Our personal perceptions are not important, we ignore the agreements and pretend there is no reality bigger than ourselves. We may be all there is in the end, but the real world is still bigger than our 3d incarnations.

It might seem a little anal of me to put so much value in this. The point is that David, the guy whom I admire and love has just opened himself to being struck down by the closest skeptic (pseudo or otherwise) with a scientific dictionary. It's like playing chess with a pool cue... You don't win that way...

This error is big not because it's an error but because it's sold as flawless scientific logic.

I have to laugh. Ali, being an INTJ like myself, has personally concluded that this was most definitely a missile, while I have personally concluded it was definitely not. How is it that two masterminds can come up with two completely opposite conclusions?

I had to laugh at this too But the INTJ is a personality type. We have the same way of dealing with this, it doesn't mean we'll invariantly come up with the correct answers. We'll probably both have our off days.. INTJ isn't evidence for reliability, it's simply a way of dealing with questions that's rational with an intuitive inner guide. We're as likely as anyone else to make mistakes.

Besides, if we were the same, there'd be no point in keeping two of us around

Like I previously explained, the animation that was released was not physics correct, nor are what are explained to be the remainder of physics.

You are correct... The animation did not even look like the spiral. The assumption of leaking fuel is nonsensical because fuel burns.. The animation while it intended to prove it was a rocket has done more harm to the rocket theory than good. People who do think about this thing have to reject the animation. I did too.

It's only after we reject this animation that the rocket theory begins to make sense.

My work for the last nineteen years has been in physics, fluids, and chemistry, and this is why I see the incorrectness in the medias physics. If I were able to make 3D animations like that, I could conclusively prove it was not missile. Alas, I am not, so Ali will keep his opinion and I will keep mine. Until these physical bodies become unviable, I doubt there will be a resolution, so I simply agree to disagree and remain friends with my bull headed INTJ friend

I appreciate it, including the bull headed remark, I deserve that one. I'm only a lowly psychologist. Although I've been following all forms of science since I was 8 years old and even spent a few months studying physics in university before figuring out it's not my precise point of interest. I believe in the "Homo Universalis" I think these days we almost all need to be one.

I don't mind disagreeing but I would like you to disagree with what I actually believe Please read the following attentively, afterwards we'll still disagree, but at least we'll disagree with each other as opposed to our understanding of each other

I do not support the animation. I follow a theory where there is no leaking fuel.. But the engine exhaust got dent or broken in the third stage separation causing it to be at an angle, sending the rocket into a spin but essentially still allowing the engine close to full power. However, the dent exhaust pipe partly is engulfed by the exhaust flame and evaporates causing the smaller spiral by slowing down the exhaust and coloring it blue by releasing aluminum oxide. So the reason the small spiral is small is because the exhaust fumes are slowed down. I fully agree with you that the animation of the spinning rocket in the media is flawed.

David assumes it has to do with the wind somehow, his claim that there is no wind moving at that speed is pointless since the object is above the atmosphere. Atmospheric effects are totally irrelevant outside of the atmosphere. The engine ejects the fumes, they speed off in a direction and never slow down or change direction. The typical behavior of a rocket exhaust in a vacuum. As a physicist with extra insight in fluid dynamics you'd have to agree with me on this one right?

David suggests that the wind is somehow responsible for moving the fumes about. His lowest guess for the spiral size is 10 miles, the rocket exhaust would take 3 to 4 seconds to travel that distance yet he calls that size impossible. My guess is closer to 150 miles where it takes a minute and is very possible. My guess is due to both the calculated size of the object and it is supported by the people who saw it vanish in that time which is exactly how a rocket in a vacuum behaves.

Also remember my conclusion earlier that finnish people did not see it? This is apparently not true, they saw it in the north of finland... In the east... It was not a local event. It was visible in a 500 mile radius possibly even twice that range.

@pksmith
I think your suggestion to ignore the physical aspect is wise, there is a larger picture, it is far more important what this does on the whole than being right about the physical component.

Other wise I might end up like the guy who sets off to invent the wheel, but fails year after year because he can't figure out what color he wants it to be.