If a child stumbles and falls to the ground, and start crying for help, there are several methods to answer that call. Either you do it out of compassion and reach out your hand, give love and kisses, and try to comfort that child. Or you laugh at the child, tell it to suck it up, get up from its knees and don't be such a whiny creature. The child then, having a free will, can choose either to accept or reject any of these two methods of aid.
There are about 500 planetary entities, and 53 civilizations in the Confederation which is aiding this planet. Besides Ra there were two other sixth density social memory complexes trying to aid this planet. When there is a call to which a specific social memory complex thinks it can answer, this aid is then presented before the Council of Saturn. If it is approved, the social memory complex may proceed with its aid.
What I am trying to say is that this planet is crowded by many, many other entities. Ra is just one of them. There are also different calls from different third density entities. Some of them are calling Confederation, and some of them are calling for Orion. To these calls there are answers matching the vibration of the caller.
First of all, Ra didn't attempt to teach chosen few Egyptians. In fact this "chosen few" was the reason for them leaving:
Secondly, there was a call, and an interest in the sun body, which matched Ra's distortions. Ra presented a plan before the Council, it was approved. Ra landed.
Then the teachings got distorted and perverted. Ra left.
What I am trying to say is that when some calls match Ra's vibration, Ra answer. When other calls match Orion's vibration, Orion answer. You quoted this yourself:
In my understanding, it was Free Will of third density co-Creators to distort and pervert the message which Ra gave, so Ra left.
It was a very long time ago that Ra's third and fourth density experiences ended. After that Ra graduated from fifth density of wisdom, and is now in sixth, approaching the Harvest for seventh density. How would Ra pass their compassion that they experienced billions of years ago to us upon this Earth? I don't understand.
You said that we learnt a great deal by them leaving the planet like they did - how did they leave it?
Ra left the physical plane, but never our vibration. And I am sure that Ra learned lessons too. But what passages are you talking about?
There is Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator.
There is also Council of Nine, who has 24 Guardians to help them. Each aid is presented before the Council, and gets then either approved or disapproved.
To me it sounds pretty organized.
What does Yahweh "was going too easy-mode on us" mean?
Where did you get from that Moses was the one who has been contacted by Ra? Ra mentioned only Ikhnaton being contacted by them, not Moses.
Who was/is able to penetrate the quarantine? Ra's plan got approved by Council of Saturn, thus they were permitted to land on physical planes in order to teach/learn the Law of One. I don't understand what you are trying to say here?
Ra left Earth physical plane because their teachings got perverted and distorted. Not because of calls to Orion entities.
This is what they said about their physical influence upon Earth entities:
(04-09-2012, 05:11 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Okay, so I was just kinda struck by a thought and thought i'd share it. I'm reading this article where it intimated that the most powerful ranks of STS beings on this planet (the "evil illuminati" for lack of better term) are part of a chain of power that extends nearly 6000 years back. So something about that idea makes me think that maybe the STS faction of this planet are so empowered as consequence of Ra's intention to create an enlightened society themselves. Is this an old thought that i'm stumbling upon?
There are about 500 planetary entities, and 53 civilizations in the Confederation which is aiding this planet. Besides Ra there were two other sixth density social memory complexes trying to aid this planet. When there is a call to which a specific social memory complex thinks it can answer, this aid is then presented before the Council of Saturn. If it is approved, the social memory complex may proceed with its aid.
Ra, 6:24 Wrote:Ra: I am one of the members of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. There are approximately fifty-three civilizations, comprising approximately five hundred planetary consciousness complexes in this Confederation. This Confederation contains those from your own planet who have attained dimensions beyond your third. It contains planetary entities within your solar system, and it contains planetary entities from other galaxies. It is a true Confederation in that its members are not alike, but allied in service according to the Law of One.
What I am trying to say is that this planet is crowded by many, many other entities. Ra is just one of them. There are also different calls from different third density entities. Some of them are calling Confederation, and some of them are calling for Orion. To these calls there are answers matching the vibration of the caller.
hogey11 Wrote:I guess I'm asking if Ra deciding to come to earth and attempt to teach the Egyptians (a chosen few) about the Law of One created the opportunity for Orion entities to also do the same within the same society (or elsewhere)?
First of all, Ra didn't attempt to teach chosen few Egyptians. In fact this "chosen few" was the reason for them leaving:
Ra, 2:2 Wrote:We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power. This was not intended by the Law of One. We left your peoples.
Secondly, there was a call, and an interest in the sun body, which matched Ra's distortions. Ra presented a plan before the Council, it was approved. Ra landed.
Ra, 23:6 Wrote:The nexus, or center, of our efforts was a decision upon our parts that there was a sufficient calling to attempt to walk among your peoples as brothers.
We laid this plan before the Council of Saturn, offering ourselves as service-oriented Wanderers of the type which land directly upon the inner planes without incarnative processes. Thus we emerged, or materialized, in physical-chemical complexes representing as closely as possible our natures, this effort being to appear as brothers and spend a limited amount of time as teachers of the Law of One, for there was an ever-stronger interest in the sun body, and this vibrates in concordance with our particular distortions.
Then the teachings got distorted and perverted. Ra left.
What I am trying to say is that when some calls match Ra's vibration, Ra answer. When other calls match Orion's vibration, Orion answer. You quoted this yourself:
Quote:11.18 Questioner: Then we have crusaders from Orion coming to this planet for mind control purposes. How do they do this?
Ra: I am Ra. As all, they follow the Law of One observing free will. Contact is made with those who call.
hogey11 Wrote:And if so, was it the Orion's strong offensive that drove off Ra to work it's magic in other ways (as they have) off-planet?
In my understanding, it was Free Will of third density co-Creators to distort and pervert the message which Ra gave, so Ra left.
hogey11 Wrote:We know that Ra was extremely compassionate to the point of martyrdom in their own progression; did they pass that trait to us as well as part of their teach/learn-ing?
It was a very long time ago that Ra's third and fourth density experiences ended. After that Ra graduated from fifth density of wisdom, and is now in sixth, approaching the Harvest for seventh density. How would Ra pass their compassion that they experienced billions of years ago to us upon this Earth? I don't understand.
hogey11 Wrote:I'm sure we learnt a great deal by them leaving the planet like they did - just as much as our catalyst is probably teaching them valuable lessons... Anyways, i think I even remember now a passage or two where Ra intimates as much, but I'll have to look it up later...
You said that we learnt a great deal by them leaving the planet like they did - how did they leave it?
Ra left the physical plane, but never our vibration. And I am sure that Ra learned lessons too. But what passages are you talking about?
hogey11 Wrote:As far as what I can take from it, I think it just means that Ra chose to not organize themselves and the STO influence on the planet quite like that.
There is Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator.
Ra, 6:24 Wrote:Ra: I am one of the members of the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. There are approximately fifty-three civilizations, comprising approximately five hundred planetary consciousness complexes in this Confederation. This Confederation contains those from your own planet who have attained dimensions beyond your third. It contains planetary entities within your solar system, and it contains planetary entities from other galaxies. It is a true Confederation in that its members are not alike, but allied in service according to the Law of One.
There is also Council of Nine, who has 24 Guardians to help them. Each aid is presented before the Council, and gets then either approved or disapproved.
Ra Wrote:7.9 Questioner: I have a question about that Council. Who are the members, and how does the Council function?
Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.
In number, the Council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. That is the Session Council. To back up this Council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. These entities faithfully watch and have been called Guardians.
The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. This includes: One, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the Confederation; Two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the Law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); Three, internal questions in the Council are determined.
These are the prominent duties of the Council. They are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the Council. The Council then may reconsider any question.
To me it sounds pretty organized.
hogey11 Wrote:So are we to assume then that Moses is really the "fall man" rather than Eve? Eve did what she had to do because Yahweh was going too easy-mode on us.
What does Yahweh "was going too easy-mode on us" mean?
hogey11 Wrote:It seems from here that Moses is the one who abandoned Ra's path
Where did you get from that Moses was the one who has been contacted by Ra? Ra mentioned only Ikhnaton being contacted by them, not Moses.
hogey11 Wrote:Quote:Ah, here we go:
[quote]24.4 Questioner: How did the Orion group get through the quarantine 3,600 years ago? The random window effect?
Ra: I am Ra. At that time this was not entirely so, as there was a proper calling for this information. When there is a mixed calling the window effect is much more put into motion by the ways of the densities.
The quarantine in this case was, shall we say, not patrolled so closely, due to the lack of strong polarity, the windows thus needing to be very weak in order for penetration. As your harvest approaches, those forces of what you would call light work according to their call. The ones of Orion have the working only according to their call. This calling is in actuality not nearly as great.
Thus, due to the way of empowering or squares there is much resistance to penetration. Yet free will must be maintained and those desiring negatively oriented information, as you would call it, must then be satisfied by those moving through by the window effect.
I highlighted lack of strong polarity because I believe this means that it was because Ra was already landed onto the planet that they were able to penetrate the quarantine.
Who was/is able to penetrate the quarantine? Ra's plan got approved by Council of Saturn, thus they were permitted to land on physical planes in order to teach/learn the Law of One. I don't understand what you are trying to say here?
hogey11 Wrote:So Ra left the planet post-haste because as long as they were landed and influencing entities physically on earth, Orion entities could more easily answer the calling from the STS side and more easily find a window to make contact?
Ra left Earth physical plane because their teachings got perverted and distorted. Not because of calls to Orion entities.
Ra, 1:4 Wrote:When we were no longer able to have appropriate channels through which to enunciate the Law of One, we removed ourselves from the now hypocritical position which we had allowed ourselves to be placed in. And other myths, shall we say, other understandings, having more to do with polarity and the things of your vibrational complex, again took over in that particular society complex.
Ra, 2:2 Wrote:We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power. This was not intended by the Law of One. We left your peoples.
This is what they said about their physical influence upon Earth entities:
Ra, 23:6 Wrote:We discovered that for each word we could utter, there were thirty impressions we gave by our very being, which confused those entities we had come to serve.
Ra, 6:4 Wrote:In this form we decided to come among your peoples. Your peoples at that time were much unlike us in physical appearance, as you might call it. We, thus, did not mix well with the population and were obviously other than they. Thus, our visit was relatively short, for we found ourselves in the hypocritical position of being acclaimed as other than your other-selves.