Evolving Consciousness

[Shin'Ar]

Than you are of the thinking that in the last one thousand years you have not learned anything or grown in consciousness? That the consciousness that you are this day is unchanged from what it was a thousand years ago?

I believe you are throwing together consciousness itself and the kaleidoscope of it's content in how you are responding to me.

It is as I said: The kaleidoscope has changed, is changing and will be changing for the rest of eternity. Consciousness itself has not changed and will not change ever. It cannot because it exists outside of time, time is part of the kaleidoscope inside of it.

Am I successfully communicating the difference between the kaleidoscope content and consciousness itself?

Do you consider intelligent infinity/god/all that is. To exist outside of time? Or do you consider it to exist within time. If the latter, how can you explain "all that is" to be merely a temporal slice of something apparently much greater? And if the former. Would you not agree that it cannot be changing as change is a function of time?

No matter what you learn about the content if it does not lead to experience with consciousness itself it will not lead to spiritual advancement. That experience with consciousness itself requires nothing because the consciousness already is what it needs to be.

Our friends from the Zen department have a relevant koan:

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"Before a man studies Zen, a mountain is a mountain
after he gets insights, a mountain is not a mountain
When he really understands, a mountain is a mountain"

Yes I believe I see the problem in our communication now Ali.

You are attempting to explain creation as a thing separate from its Creator, whereas I perceive it all as One.

I do understand that there is process, in the action of the One, which is what you note as the kaleidoscope.

The difference between our perceptions is that in yours you see an Origin as an unchanging Mountain of Source, whereas I see the Source as changing directly because of its Being.

I cannot expect you to alter your thinking without a good reason to do so, but maybe I can ask you this question to titillate your thoughts on the perception.

If we were talking quantam physics specifically, would you consider a force changed when it is affected by an anti force in such a way that it becomes two opposing forces repelling each other, instead of one inert stable force? And moreso, would you consider something that has no movement, no process, no existence, to be a force?

The Origin of which we speak could not produce all that exists without having become something itself. There had to have been movement, direction, Being. And in that Being change from the prior state became existence.