In regards to eating meat

[Ankh]

Monica, thank you for your reply. There were many questions in your post. I will not answer all of them, as it would make a very long post I am afraid, and perhaps lead this discussion in many side discussions. However, if you feel an urgency to get any specific question answered, please, re-ask.

Then how can you be so sure that you have detected disrespect in someone tone? since you have only their written words... Is it possible you were simply wrong in your perception of their tone?

Oh, I am sure that I have been wrong many times! My perception is fallible, and I am not even speaking of 3D and the veil in place.

However, I regard this thread to be probably one of the most disharmonious in this forum, and there has been disrespectful tone displayed here, many times. BOTH from one the so called side, and another one the so called side. This is what happens when there exists separation, in my understanding.

How, then, do we honor our own convictions, while still honoring the free will of our 3D other-selves, who, in our view, are violating the will of our 2D other-selves?

This is a question that you need to find out for yourself. I can not speak what the right way is of conveying your conviction for you personally.

When I am standing in front of a challenge, I am *trying* to see how I can serve the one I am communicating with, but I sure fail many times indeed.

Then you have perceived incorrectly, for it wasn't my intention to 'attack' you in any way!! It was simply an honest question.

It was my subjective experience. It can never be incorrect.

I am a big girl though, and take responsibility for my own catalysts.

Would you prefer that the vegetarians give up our convictions, in order to have peace and harmony?

I would never ask anyone such thing.

Would you prefer that we censor ourselves, like we do at the grocery store and at Christmas dinner?

Monica, I am sorry if I provide unsatisfying answers to you, but the only thing that I can say here is that I can't tell you what to do. How you choose to express yourself is for your own discernment and intelligence to find out. It is impossible to point out such things to any other self.

Are we asking too much, to ask that we be accepted for who we are, including our convictions?

I personally have no problems with whomever they may be, as long as there is respect for each other.

Are we expecting too much, to hope that we might be able to speak openly and honestly, in a discussion about this topic, in a forum dedicated to the tenets of the Law of One, including Acceptance of other-selves? Are we wrong to hope that we might be accepted without censoring our deepest convictions?

Not wrong. And I am speaking in philosophical and spiritual terms now, and that is: when you expect someone to accept you, you will be disappointed from time to time. This is not this kind of density. This is the density of where we learn to give and love and accept and serve each other, without expectations. So in a way, since this is the Law of One forum, where we learn more consciously perhaps, such things, yeah - it's surprising to me too. In another way, this is perhaps a lesson to all of us.

Are peace and harmony more important than honoring our own personal convictions?

It is an interesting question. I would rather say that serving another self is more important that my own personal convictions, IF this service is aligned with my chosen path. With that said, if there are any personal convictions I am glad to examine them, and has also done so in this forum. This place has been acting as an *invaluable* source for me to do this work, as people here are very intelligent and awesome.

But there has been many frictions here. We are human after all, and are prone to do mistakes.

If that is the only way the meat-eaters will accept us - if we surrender our convictions and keep our mouths shut - then would you prefer that we do that?

I never asked that from any individual, vegetarian, meat-eater, black, white, human or non-human.

I expressed my *opinion* though, which withstands - to show respect for each other, and try to serve each other here.

Can you consider, Ankh, that the meat-eaters won't accept the vegetarians no matter how nice and respectful they are, as long as they continue to express their convictions?

Can you consider, Ankh, that it is the meat-eaters' lack of acceptance of the vegetarians' convictions, that is causing the discord?

Sure! But in my fallible opinion, this is a group energy. If I to consider in these lines, I would consider that both "sides" are doing it to "each other"; each intelligence contributing with its non-acceptance and disrespect. And as much as each individual is responsible for its own contribution, it is also a creation of the whole group. We are not separate from each other, even though it seems so.

And you chose to completely ignore all the important points I made, in favor of being offended by the honest question I asked of you.

It was never my intent to ignore any of important to you questions.

My subjective experience is honored and respected by me though. But I take care of this as my own responsibility.

What was your important question?

One example: some days ago, a member asked about something in this thread, and you, among others, gave advices to this member. So I thought - why not? And I made a post, *quoting* this member. But instantly, there was reply by you, diminishing what I had to say. I wish that we all would be able to play along here, nicely, while respecting each other.

So your example is that I posted my opinion?

???

Since when is posting an opinion somehow wrong? Is it because you didn't like my opinion?

Never wrong. I am trying to appreciate all facets of the Creator, but it's not always easy.

It was, again, my subjective experience.

I am sorry for singling out this example. I shouldn't have done that, and will never do so again. Therefore, your other questions about showing examples of disrespect etc, are left unaswered.

How could one person's opinion 'diminish' another person's opinion?

Oh, that happens every day in third density! No worries in this case though.

I cannot be accused of violating this guideline. I have bent over backwards to consistently insist that no one analyze anyone personally on this thread, despite the countless times others have tried to make it personal.

Ehum... I never accused you for violating any guidelines.

In the area of animal cruelty, however, I happen to have more knowledge about the topic than many of the meat-eaters here. I will not censor myself or pretend to know less than I do. I won't "dumb myself down" just to be accepted.

If you are unable or unwilling to accept that I happen to have some knowledge about the topic, then just who is it that is refusing to learn from others?

I am happy to learn from you and from anyone else, Ankh, about a lot of things. But I'm not likely to learn much about how to help save the animals, from those who eat animals.

I am sure that you know tons more than me and most of us participating in this thread about this topic. I am not talking about the knowledge itself though.

I believe that the relationship between a teacher and a student in the positive polarity is that of great love and respect for each other. I believe that there exists a desire from especially the teacher to learn from the student, i.e. an open mind. If the teacher is closed, I don't regard it as teaching anymore, but preaching. I am not saying that this is what you do, Monica, I just share my understanding. I also believe that if we would apply that more, we would learn/teach and teach/learn far more quickly.