Spiral Light Show over Norway

[Ali Quadir]

You're free to believe whatever you like, I agree that the rocket wasn't leaking fuel. This could not possibly create the enormous size of the phenomenon. Only a rocket exhaust can do this.

I assume you mean, that with the presupposition that it was a rocket, only a rocket exhaust can do this...rather than saying there is no other possible explanation besides a rocket?

You're correct. Peregrinus spoke from the rocket analogy, and I just followed suit.

Ali, I know how meticulous you are, so I can appreciate the steps you took to reach your conclusion. I think it's also important to note that, if correct, your conclusion proves only that it's possible it was a rocket, not that it really was a rocket.

I'd like to add this to your consideration. We believe the world is being guided by higher forces... At the moment a president is rewarded with a Nobel peace price for his efforts and future! efforts. People usually get prices AFTER the acts so what is it that people are signaling or predicting here? And at that same time an advanced nuclear missile a weapon of war is transformed by an apparent freak accident malfunction into a brilliant beautiful spectacle resembling a beam of dna shot from a galaxy and into the earth. My first impression was how beautiful it was. It seems to say that peace conquers weapons of destruction. It seems to say that a beam of information is transferred from a galaxy to our own.

Just because it's a rocket doesn't make the whole thing any less miraculous. I am absolutely certain from the experiences of my life that I receive higher density guidance. I experience events in the world as guided. If this consciousness speaks out to me, it unvaryingly does so through natural events that are possible but just extremely unlikely. The unlikely is often how they draw our attention. Witnessing the unlikely opens us up even if ever so slightly. If I say I believe, it's not because I saw the impossible happen. It's because I learned that the "improbable" is sometimes a likely explanation taking all things into consideration.

Yet at the same time I have to go with the rocket theory or abandon the idea that it makes sense to think about things at all. However, the two do not contradict. Like I said, I think that the synchronicities involved are highly indicative of higher density interactions. Those synchronicites to me are symptoms of an existing transfer of information or energy.

Ayadew suggested "Circumstances don't matter, only state of being matters" Perhaps this means that our state of being, whether we relate this event to our spiritual growth our physical demise, or as a physical irrelevance is more important than the event itself. Any circumstance will do. But state of being is much more important to the personal eventual outcome.

I feel like I'm spiraling through this topic. I keep discovering new things. You fairyfarmgirl and Lorna seem to insist on the spiritual view. And now I'm seeing that yes there is actually a huge spiritual side to this. My pursuit of a rational explanation made me miss that insight. If I seem hyper, it's all the catching up

Also, did your calculations depend on a certain type of rocket? Could an older generation rocket (from 1988, or whatever year the Chinese incident occurred) have met that criteria? And, why did no one claim 'rocket' when it happened before? (as far as I can tell from the available footage.) It seems to me that if it had been the same phenomenon that had happened in China, the media would have been quick to point out that it had happened before, since that would help legitimize their claim.

Look at Peregrinus his video again. I'm sure your Chinese is as fluent as mine. But the thermonuclear explosion half way the video seems to indicate that they do associate it with nukes.

The type of rocket does not matter much, a 1960 rocket could have produced the effect. The only different is in the absolute size (bigger engines bigger events) but you never really know how far or close you are to it without a lot more additional info.

The bottom line is that, even if it does meet all the criteria for possibly being a rocket, still does not tell us conclusively what it actually was...since we don't have any way of disproving other phenomena that it possibly could have been.

It's true, it's a game of estimates. You must decide on your truth in your own manner. Us humans have more methods than rationality to come to our conclusions. I don't presume to have the best one. Event's aren't atomic static things they are dynamic multi level interactions rationality simply cannot cover it all.

I'm only pretty sure that the physical manifestation of this event was a failing rocket. As far as the spiritual manifestation goes I find it so full of synchronicities that yes it smells like God. While I was off investigating the physical side and having loads of fun, I overlooked that side.

... and thank you Peregrinus for your unyielding words....

I simply thanked Lavazza and ayadew for their remarks considering my discovery of being overly analytical in these matters. You made no remarks in that direction so this particular thank you was not extended to you.

However I don't want you to feel left out thank you Peregrinus for being exactly who you are, thank you for being critical of what people tell you including me, thank you for investigating your own avenues. And thank you for sharing your findings. I for one value your opinions, even when we disagree. You seem to consider yourself much more unfeeling than I experience you. You do register on the radar as something with a warm beating heart.

I am sorry my friend. I ask the One Creator and my higher self for assistance in being more careful with my thoughts, words, and actions, in that I would strive to become better at being compassionate to other's feelings. Again, it comes back to my unfeeling... I may lack compassion, but I do not lack passion. As said by Ra, it is the downfall of the wanderer to get caught up in the maelstrom... as I often have.

You're preaching to the choir my friend. This whole thing did the same to me. I should be wary of the value I ascribe to intellect. And for what it's worth Peregrinus, I see me in you a great deal. You're just like me in many ways. I too value intellect, I too often have too little compassion. Not that I don't want to, I just don't always notice other peoples thoughts and feelings when I'm distracted otherwise. For example in rational pursuits.

You have not hurt me, I know you are sincere. Besides, I'm not exactly flawless myself.

Final thoughts to ponder then. If this were a rocket, why would there be two streams of light (rocket exhaust) coming from a one way rocket? You can clearly see such in this picture, which was taken using a tripod. I'm not speaking of the blue light. I understand they explain the blue light as remaining trajectory gas (which also spirals long before the light show began???). I am referencing the white light. Just thoughts.

Ok, imagine this rocket exhaust at an angle. The normal exhaust, the white fluff gets ejected at an angle causing the rocket to spin and generate the spiral in the vacuum above our atmosphere. Part of the exhaust pipe is now more heated than design would allow. This part slowly evaporates under the heat causing aluminum oxide to be released but not at the exhaust velocity of 4000 meters per second. It's still being ejected fast but much much slower. And this explains the smaller inner spiral. It is blue because it contains a high amount of aluminum oxide. The stuff sapphires are made of.

The difference in diameter for the spirals are the result of the two colors being ejected at different speeds. Not necessarily at different angles. The angle is likely slightly different but the big effect is caused by the different speeds.

This is of course a purely phenomenal physical explanation of an event that covers the whole spectrum of reality, from the deeply spiritual to the physical.

Again, I do not mean to dissuade, but this morning the final and unequivocal proof was shown to me. Upon waking, my daughter's hair was, unbelievably, in the shape of a spiral, just like the portal opening and the crop circle!

Lol Did you call her little cereal? The meaning of this event should not change by understanding it's physical properties. I doubt anyone could reproduce it even with full understanding it seems to me like a freak accident. I said before it could very well be the Sirians.

And really if you look at it. Even if it's in fact a missile. How likely is it for this event that is both spectacular and practically unheard of to occur at the very moment Obama receives a Nobel peace price for future undertakings... I'm seeing a trend. I'm still a statistician at heart.

Swords to ploughs right?

It's proving to be a very educational topic to me. I feel I have actually gotten somewhere, even beyond just figuring out for myself that it is a missile, it is highly unlogical to assume from this that it's a meaningless event. I'm sorry I realize I do keep calling it a rocket. That's my personal understanding please don't take it to mean anything other than me believing that it is a rocket. And I'm also sorry if I seem to be rolling around like a drunken sailor.