04-02-2012, 09:48 AM
(04-02-2012, 08:56 AM)Ashim Wrote:It is incompatible with the idea of co-creators.Quote:Of course there is not a single entity who owns the world.You state this as a fact. Prove it please.
If we assume this hypothetical man to exist or have existed. And he has invented the idea of property. And thus by proposition of logic (which I will assume for the sake of this argument to be correct) sold the world. Then his idea of property could only have become universal if it was adopted by all other co-creators.
Then all co-creators who subscribe to the idea of property must have also sold the world. So there is no single entity.
Quote:I call my posessions illusory, it is a social agreement with my environment that they are mine. But when I die they won't come with me. Neither do they cease to exist.Quote:The whole principle of being co-creators means we all own it.No. The man who sold the world was the one who created ownership. Look at what you call your possessions. Are they yours? We indeed all co-create but within reality.
Simply inventing a concept called ownership changes nothing about the world, only our behavior in it.
Quote:We are part of the planetary logos. So we must partly 'own' the planet. We are metaphysically inseparable from this planet. Our creations have immediate causative effects on the rest of the planet. And metaphysical effects on subtler realms. All is one. So we must logically be all.Quote:The fact that you can create in it makes you a part owner.I disagree. You can co-create within reality but may not be a planetary logos. The planetary logos 'owns' the planet.
You must own your resposibility nothing more and nothing less.
Our responsibility extends beyond our property our lives and even beyond this planet. Indeed if all is one, and thus we are each personally all that is. Then each of us personally has a responsibility to all that is..
This does not imply the usual blame that responsibility carries with it. It simply means that everything has a relation and connection towards us.
Quote:As for Hitler and the Illuminati - what have they got to do with this thread? I already left their vibrations a while ago.Oldern mentioned him. And I think it is a great example so I used it to explain my point.
Similar to how Hitler could not commit his crimes if the co-creators of his time would not have sufficiently agreed with him. Similarly your theoretical man who sold the world could not have sold the world on his own. If he could not have done this on his own, then he never owned the world in the first place, neither has he actually sold it.
Quote:Did you watch the video?You gave an invalid link, I already know about lord james of blackheath's complaint. I do fail to see the relevance.
Also, for your consideration. Property and real estate, the principles, existed long before mankind ever inhabited the planet. Nests and other animal 'tools' or food made or collected by animals are often protected or hoarded. Certain animals even consider other animals their property. (Another male should not approach my females or invade my territory, my children are not allowed to wander off.) The human idea of property is an extention of biological behavior. If anything we only made it more complicated and ritualized, but we did not create it.