03-26-2012, 04:13 PM
Thank you Gemini... You honor me.
And Ruth, of course there is nothing wrong in simply being mindfull for 15 minutes. As long as it is not the ego's attempt to achieve anything other than the pleasure of spending that time in your own presence. I often do this while walking. I love to just empty my mind then. It feels good and it is good.
Meditation for some is sitting down and doing 100 mantras so you can get up again, simply because that's what you're supposed to do as a spiritual person. I'd recommend another kind of practice for people who have that experience.
There's plenty of stories about the sages who go into caves and meditate literally for years. Find enlightenment, come out and not be able to cope with daily life. More than one ended up as a drunken beggar. Some eventually crawl back into their cave. To me that does not qualify as having found enlightenment. It means you caught a glimpse of something very specific that you forced into being by pure willpower. Quite an achievement nothing to be frowned at. But not the jewel for me.
In my experience it's not so much a matter of achieving, or changing. As you say: Nothing is not the creator.. Nothing is not his conscious choice. We are that creator. We are not aware of our own fully conscious mind. That's all. Not seeing it does not mean it does not exist. And the journey is in the discovery that our awareness exists on all levels, and on all levels it carries our signature, it's really us, not some alienated part of us, but the most core self that the reader experiences at this moment that core self is in all things and that is the conduit that speaks to all things and knows all things, omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, aka without space without time and without limits of any kind.
For me one of the biggest demonstrations of this was that the first week, one yogi was trying to explain to me that no leaf falls without the creator having an intent with it. And the next week at the exact moment someone is trying to explain to me that the whole of creation is a conscious entity, a leaf falls from a tree and lands precisely in my open hand. I did not intend to catch it. It just fell into my hand. I looked at it and it clicked... I thought: I get it, I see you there.
And then you begin to talk. Not willing things into being, leaving the ego out of it. Privately. Curiosity and attraction, no intent, not even noble ones, noble intent is ego just like selfish intent is ego. The purest intent is attraction. And before you know it you've fallen in love.
But she's mighty tricky. Like a woman. Doing, or forcing gets you nowhere. A passive invitation leads her to overpower you. That's why people of faith so often speak about surrender or submission. When they get it they call it submission to the beloved. When they don't they call it a greater power. There is no power outside the self to surrender to.
And Ruth, of course there is nothing wrong in simply being mindfull for 15 minutes. As long as it is not the ego's attempt to achieve anything other than the pleasure of spending that time in your own presence. I often do this while walking. I love to just empty my mind then. It feels good and it is good.
Meditation for some is sitting down and doing 100 mantras so you can get up again, simply because that's what you're supposed to do as a spiritual person. I'd recommend another kind of practice for people who have that experience.
(03-26-2012, 01:15 PM)godwide_void Wrote: As you said Ali, regardless of what state of mind or one is in, the connection never falters. And why should it? There is never a moment when the Creator is not present in all things. I once naively thought that it was only through deep states of meditation that I could achieve a divine connection. Now I know better and realize that even when I am doing something as simple as walking down the street, the connection is always there. I now remain passive and acquiescent in life, and allow myself to be guided down the path the Universe feels is most appropriate and best. After all my 'relentless seeking' I'm much enjoying the role of the silent observer of sorts.
There's plenty of stories about the sages who go into caves and meditate literally for years. Find enlightenment, come out and not be able to cope with daily life. More than one ended up as a drunken beggar. Some eventually crawl back into their cave. To me that does not qualify as having found enlightenment. It means you caught a glimpse of something very specific that you forced into being by pure willpower. Quite an achievement nothing to be frowned at. But not the jewel for me.
In my experience it's not so much a matter of achieving, or changing. As you say: Nothing is not the creator.. Nothing is not his conscious choice. We are that creator. We are not aware of our own fully conscious mind. That's all. Not seeing it does not mean it does not exist. And the journey is in the discovery that our awareness exists on all levels, and on all levels it carries our signature, it's really us, not some alienated part of us, but the most core self that the reader experiences at this moment that core self is in all things and that is the conduit that speaks to all things and knows all things, omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient, aka without space without time and without limits of any kind.
For me one of the biggest demonstrations of this was that the first week, one yogi was trying to explain to me that no leaf falls without the creator having an intent with it. And the next week at the exact moment someone is trying to explain to me that the whole of creation is a conscious entity, a leaf falls from a tree and lands precisely in my open hand. I did not intend to catch it. It just fell into my hand. I looked at it and it clicked... I thought: I get it, I see you there.
And then you begin to talk. Not willing things into being, leaving the ego out of it. Privately. Curiosity and attraction, no intent, not even noble ones, noble intent is ego just like selfish intent is ego. The purest intent is attraction. And before you know it you've fallen in love.
But she's mighty tricky. Like a woman. Doing, or forcing gets you nowhere. A passive invitation leads her to overpower you. That's why people of faith so often speak about surrender or submission. When they get it they call it submission to the beloved. When they don't they call it a greater power. There is no power outside the self to surrender to.