03-25-2012, 06:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-25-2012, 06:40 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(03-25-2012, 05:31 PM)Ankh Wrote: Well, I certainly agree that there are leaders or the so called "elite" that are in ruling position, but as I see it - they aren't the ones who are doing the job. It isn't politicians and bank owners who are executing their own orders. They give orders, but it's normal, usual people who are executing them. And sure, one can argue about wake these masses up, but isn't it a wisdom to realize that you can not wake someone up who wants to sleep? And is that not the whole point of this density too? To sleep, wake up, start seeking, make the choice, whatever that makes you to move on. But there will always be the next one, learning these same lessons?
For sure! I suppose what I am getting at is the person who says they want to wake up, but based on their actions doesn't really want to. So many people now are out there "spreading the word" about this or that conspiracy, negative agenda, controlling elite, etc., but refuse to see how they, themselves, have contributed to the problems they are supposedly railing against.
For example- I can go on and on about the bankers and the federal reserve. But I was the one who signed all those student loan papers. I am the one who still charges things on my Bank of America credit card so I can get my frequent flier miles. I am the one who is still using Federal Reserve Notes to buy my groceries. So to my way of thinking, railing against the bankers only goes so far. If I -truly- want to do something about this situation, I need to actually change things about how I operate my life in order to reduce my personal contribution to these systems. And I have changed a LOT. It's a process and doesn't happen all at once. And I am "OK" with where I am at in the process.
Other folks- well if I even "dare" suggest that THEY are part of the problem they are railing against... LOOK OUT! Here comes the defensiveness, the denial, the accusations, and all the rest. So, on the one hand, they SAY they want to wake up... but waking up actually involves taking responsibility, which in turn involves the realization that we are all connected. It's not just somebody "out there" doing "bad stuff" to me... it is me who is inviting the "bad stuff" through my participation in it.
If somebody wants to sleep, that is their prerogative. But claiming one is awake while denying responsibility for their own circumstances in life is just plain absurd, in my book.
Quote:I guess that not all catalysts are the ones of unicorns and rainbows. In order to learn wisdom, you have to have an experience where wisdom can be learned. Being a folly loving puppy tail giving your son money for rehabilitation from the drugs which then turns around his life into walking on the fluffy clouds, doesn't teach wisdom. It's like when a parent tells the child to not touch that hot iron for the child will burn itself - some do listen, and trust that information. But others need to experience that for themselves. How hot is it? Does the parent tell the truth? etc etc (Still have a scar from that hot iron)
Right. And so you learned. But at what point does that person who needs to "experience that for themselves" finally start to appreciate the wisdom of others, and to actually listen to it? How many "lessons" need to be learned, before the meta-lesson is learned that one does not have to experience each and every thing for themselves, in order to grow? According to my understanding, much of fourth density experience is about learning from the experiences of others, and understanding that this is a much more efficient way of growing than the somewhat childish approach which says one must do everything on their own.