(03-22-2012, 11:23 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Oldern,
I would have to ask you if you think that there is a possibility to escape from the cycle of reincarnation? And if so, how do YOU think that happens?
From what I have learned by combining the anceint religions and philosophies, they all teach that it is through the realization that we are much more than mere flesh, and that realzing our true divine nature is what brings us out of the reincarnative experience.
Your examples of enlightenment and your definition of self serving is just something that we will have to remain in disagreement over.
I think that is is a combined matter of the self and the higher self. For one, as we are all connected to some oversouls that have a specific purpose - here on Earth, to experience living under a physical existence, over a very heavy veil -, I believe that when certain souls would want to embrace more of what they are, then they are able to orchestrate a life in this Earth that presents them with the well fit opportunities for even questioning "Why?". I believe that once one is contemplating getting rid of every affection, pleasure, and phyiscality, that means that other aspects of life has already been explored enough so this incarnation can finally be about letting go of them. I am not saying it is impossible to change from an "addict" to a Buddha in a mere second - I am just saying that it is highly unlikely to happen this way.
With that being said, there are many incarnations in this planet that will not find joy in getting rid of everything that brings them pleasure or joy, and enforcing any kind of mandatory "now, you better break those shackles of physicality, or you will keep incarnating" is not only dumb, but also rather ineffective. ( And I am not assuming anyone is enforcing them to do so, of course. Just saying.)
Of course we disagree, and there is nothing wrong with disagreement. Different point of views are created for us to be able to experiment disagreement in the first place. : ) And I definitely not claim that my truth is an ultimate truth: it is my truth only, gained by observing almost ALL major religions, spiritual paths and guidelines, and experiencing some (not all, of course) of it. Hence my incompatibility with anything that says "be afraid of this, be afraid of that, be afraid cause..." and such.