(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: Well, THAT is a good question! If you are to avoid, condemn, reject, or whatever verb you want to use against STS entities, then who is this STS entity? Who shall we condemn, judge and reject? (I am not saying that you are doing that, Monica, but that is what Shin'Ar has been proposing.)
Well, again, I haven't read all of the exchanges with Shin'Ar so I may be missing some big pieces, but the only part I read was regarding Zaxion, the self-professed STS entity. I haven't had an interactions with Zaxion, but I would presume he wouldn't mind being labeled STS, if he already called himself that, right?
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: Agreed. Especially when someone claims to be STO.
That would include most of us here.
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: If I would be a highly polarized STS entity, I would never waltz in and claim to be STS,
But that's exactly what Zaxion did. And Hidden Hand, though not here. And if I remember correctly, I think we had a couple of others here too. So, if they're not STS, then what are they, then? If they are STO, then why are they claiming to be STS? Wouldn't that be deception? Why would an STO do that?
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: but would say that I am very STO, be nice, sweet and pretty, and *then* smack them in the face so to speak, and bring the deception and lies to create the separation or whatever my agenda would be.
Yes, that is indeed a frequently used strategy, and therefore possible in this case. I am not discounting that possibility.
Then again, how many times have our own members acted syrupy sweet to one another as long as they were in agreement, but then smacked the other person in the face as soon as there was disagreement?
Does this make them STS?
Are Shin'Ar's actions really any worse than others we've witnessed here? Why are they deemed STS while established members' actions are tolerated, accepted, and even cheered?
The multiple dogpiles on unity100 come to mind...
I've been here over 3 years, and I have witnessed some nasty behavior directed at several of our members. Never did I ever think any of them were actually STS. It was just their issues coming out. How is this any different? Why is this relatively new member being branded? Why is there so much suspicion?
Maybe Shin'Ar really is STS. I have no idea. But if so, then this is incredibly ironic. If s/he really is STS, then s/he must be getting something to eat at our table, to be sticking around.
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: What if this same person claims to be STO? There is no really way to tell it, you know? Who is who? We are veiled and confused. And we can not read violet ray. If someone claims to be STS, then it is more likely so, but what if this person claims to be STO?
A claim of STO means nothing. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, and assume they're STO or mixed, and treat them with love, and if they act nasty, mean, manipulative or deceptive, then I assume they are simply expressing that 49% or whatever amount of STS is in them...they are getting their buttons pushed, just like we all are, at this nexus. It is, after all, 2012. Things are heating up!
If it turns out they are in fact STS, then they will tire of the game, and go somewhere else to find something to eat. But giving them undue attention, suspicion, anger, annoyance, fear, or even fascination, will surely keep them sniffing around, looking for that tasty morsel.
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: The dialogue between me and Zaxon was very respectful, and reached a mutual understanding.
Precisely my point. And this is the person who claims to be STS? What do you make of that?
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: The dialogue with Shin'Ar resulted in him trying to trap members of this forum, throwing accusations and judgements in my and other's way.
Exactly. How often have we all encountered "accusations and judgments" with other forum members, dear friends, and family members? How many times has the worst in all of us come out?
Whereas, a truly STS entity might be so slick that we may erroneously think they are benign, because they don't trigger any ripples in our lives...yet.
They might be so slick that they gain our trust. We can't always go by what we see on the surface.
What, then, do we do?
We just continue to radiate love, regardless.
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: I said in one of my previous posts in this thread that I don't know what to make out of it, but I do *now*. Continuing seeking oneness. Continuing being honest. Continuing being open. And if someone traps me in the future, then I have lessons to learn.
Exactly! All this talk of who is or isn't STS is fruitless.
Our own impression of Shin'Ar doesn't validate or negate anything s/he has to say. There may be valid points made by him/her. I am suggesting that it might be more fruitful to consider his/her viewpoints on their own merit, with no regard for his/her personality flaws.
Like you said about HH: Consider the message, even if we don't like the messenger.
The problem with applying this to HH, though, is that HH is a self-professed negative entity. What, then, is the purpose of claiming to be STS?
Which brings us back full circle to Shin'Ar's concerns...
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: I do not love and accept them in order to repell their interest in me, or try to scare them away with love (although it is still in my mind and very attractive), but to find peace. To find oneness, which for me, leads through the heart. The wisdom to me is to realize that I am in third density, and it is ok to reject services which would do harm.
As long as they aren't any danger, then sure. But what about what happened to Carla? She was being threatened. It was a very real threat. I don't think there's anything wrong with protecting oneself, and desiring that the STS entity leave.
(03-21-2012, 04:33 PM)Ankh Wrote: Naaah... Not sure that I agree... Truly loving and accepting would be a total understanding/melting/realization within that this is the Creator, but you are the Creator too. So you stop this entity. Wisdom would perhaps also be to realize that this density has its limitation and while you are stopping this entity from tearing another one apart, you perhaps don't feel so much love. But you can balance this in meditation.
This confirms my point, which is that when we claim to be "loving/accepting" an STS entity who is posting polite discourse on our forum, we really aren't. We're kidding ourselves. We're loving/accepting his polite demeanor, not his STS character.
(03-21-2012, 05:24 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: This last post immediately precedes one of your own in the thread. Perhaps you missed it?
Oh wow, I most definitely did miss those! Which thread are those in?
When 2 people post at the same time, the system will of course show them one after the other. Meanwhile, the member might log off immediately after hitting the post button, and totally miss the post right before or after their own.
I do that a lot. I open and close my browser tab all day long.