What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

[anagogy]

My friend,

I can share what do I understand as "one must die to transition from 3d to 4d".

Actually it makes sense, because Ra also said that 3d and 4d bodies are incompatible due to their different energetic make up.

One cannot transform his 3D body into 4D body. No, the 3D must be removed and when it does, you die. How simple that is.

An analogy: Can we ascend from physical to astral plane? No, we do not, we already exist in both sides. We simply disengage our consciousness from physical body into astral body. If we do it permanently, we died.

Both bodies exist simultaneously in separate planes. You just switch our awareness between the two planes, with a small black-out in between (falling asleep, death or near death experience or astral projection). As if the other plane did not exist, unless you wake up on it! Or project onto it.

That said, 4D and 3D are separate realms. And according to Ra we simply cannot switch to the other side. We must be ready for it (harvest) and we must die for that transition.

But that is just my small understanding of it.

Hi irpsit,

Yes, I understand what the Ra material says about the necessity of dying to 3rd density to enter 4th density. I also understand that 3D and 4D are separate realms. And yes, you do exist at all levels simultaneously in time/space. However, space/time is another story in my humble opinion. Just as you do not always exist in 3rd density physically, yet always have the body in time/space potentiation, you do not necessarily currently have a physical body in 4th density. There is a difference between the 4th density time/space light body and the space/time 4th density body. One is always manifest, the other is only manifest while incarnate there (much like here in 3rd density).

And if I was going solely off the Ra material I would probably agree with you almost completely, however, a great deal of the information I've investigated is not solely from the Ra material, but also includes hundreds of hypnotic regressions into past lives (and other channeled sources). I think the truth is like a mosaic, and I think it is a mistake to look for it all in one place. Not all channeled material is right, as I'm sure you are well aware. There are always anomalies that occur in any transmission or translation. Density to density transmission is QUITE the conversion, you know?

And so, when I say it is not necessary to physically "die", in the way we would normally think of it, to enter 4th density, I say that based on that research. I've investigated past life regressions where different groups of people on ancient Earth were able to simply raise the vibrations of their body and transition to what Ra calls fourth density. I have also investigated past life regressions where various individuals were able to raise their bodies up until they were pure energy, or nonphysical, as it were.

I recall one in particular where, when the subject was regressed into a superconscious state, between lives, from the spirit state and was asked what he was supposed to accomplish in his current incarnation (that is to say, the human personality that had gone to have a past life regression) he said, "Gotta be able to raise a body into the 4th dimension". There are other, similar accounts, and I am paraphrasing here. But it was made very clear, they were taking their physical bodies with them. It is also possible to "descend" back to 3rd density, which you see with alien close encounters and phenomena of that ilk. They temporarily inhabit our density, and then "go back" to their native density. Some of them have technology that helps facilitate this process.

Now, none of this is "necessary", but it *IS* possible, based on the evidence I've seen.

In any discussion where it is discussed what is "possible" and what is "not possible" I like to point out that nothing is impossible for the creator, and as Ra says, "In each infinitesimal part of your self resides the One in all of Its power."

Nothing is impossible, my friend.