(03-14-2012, 05:50 AM)godwide_void Wrote: I believe I get the gist of what you're saying, zenmaster. The entity in the process of polarization is initially not aware of the machinations of such a process, and the very process itself is not a linear one occurring in a limited number of circumstances; there are an infinite variety of ways in which it may manifest and be set in motion.
Oceania, these drugs are only considered a "shortcut to enlightenment" to those who are already not upon a spiritual path in the first place. It cannot be denied that certain states are much easier and exclusively experienced through high doses and meditation, but there also exists the problem of coming across knowledge much quicker than one is ready to receive. Merely being exposed to divine states and so-called "enlightening knowledge" is not enough, for it is INTEGRATION of what one has learned in these states into your life which is key. For a time the function they held for me was to seek an answer. I have found my answer. The function now has changed. They are no longer "keys to the gate" as I have long opened the gate, and instead now serve as tools alongside my personal spiritual and shamanic practices, the reasons varying. It is when one incorporates them into their spiritual journey as opposed to simply only going on a spiritual journey everytime they "trip" that lies the difference. Also, one should be more grateful of the various gifts the Creator has left Itself so as to better have the opportunity to jettison awakening of Itself through these gifts.
I'm not demonizing or belittling you for preferring one over the other though, just keep that in mind. If speed has served some positive purpose in your life and is not negatively affecting any aspect of your life, then nobody has any place to tell you otherwise. One point I was trying to get across though, is that it is completely and utterly impossible for speed to allow one to experience what DMT will.
i never said i prefer one over the other. i don't do drugs and the speed i did was prescribed by a doctor. but it expanded my mind in a permanent way. also, i would never do DMT or anything like that, and i don't care for short cuts. people often aren't ready for what they see in shortcuts, or they can't keep the realizations. i could, via speed, because it was not a trip, it was something that changed me.
if you think that's less worthy than some mushrooms then go ahead but don't tell me what to think. it's these blanket statements that say one thing is always superior to another that irk me. you don't get to say what another person experiences or what it's worth.
also i never said i wasn't grateful or that they served no purpose. but to place them in some superior position is just silly. they can be used to awaken, but why need them after that?