An Emotive View of STO vs. STS

[godwide_void]

Mmm, the point however isn't that we are Creators undergoing voluntary amnesia nor what constitutes an urgent need or otherwise nor how one feels in differing altered states of consciousness. The point is to provide foundational clarification to what constitutes STO and STS as to avoid future confusion or misunderstanding. I also do not hold any clear cut views on what is right or wrong and acknowledge that this area varies for everyone. I am, however, attempting to offer a clear cut definition of the two distinct concepts.

i dunno the point, i was replying to something you said. so it's part of the point. you basically said entheogens and psychedelics are better than narcotics. i disagree strongly.

Though I am of the opinion that psychedelics/entheogens are vastly more beneficial than narcotics, it is not what I stated. I only made the distinction between the states of being caused by the differing classes of drugs. I will also refrain from entering into a debate concerning the pros and cons of each as that will turn into a long-winded rant that will only lead this thread astray and what I express will probably do little to change your mind anyways as I presume you have perhaps had positive experiences with narcotics which leads you to believe they have the greater value, and kudos to you if you had.

I'm sorry, but for me, it is simply impossible to view substances which produce temporary, artificial chemical 'bliss', possible addiction and eventual potential decrepitude as being of benefit to the serious seeker (the substances I refer to would be crack, heroin, meth, cocaine, prescription opiates, etc.) Psychedelics literally translate to "mind expanding", and entheogens to "manifesting/awakening the divine within"; such definitions could not be truer, as these serve as excellent psychonautical tools to facilitate insight, reflection, complete reconfiguration of one's conceptual maps of reality, "ego death", enhanced mental capabilities in the case of psychedelics and the same applies for entheogens, except with the added bonus of the possibility of experiencing profound and ineffable mystical states of being - I view and approach the entheogenic experience as a means of divine communion.

Rather than haphazard intoxication or fogginess, these have promoted positive life-changing experiences and refined outlooks on the world. I mean, if you could point me to a heroin addict who has undergone a breathless, ecstatic experience of divine rapture or whose life changed from spiritual cleansing after injecting a bunch of junk into their veins, then by all means bring them out, as they'd certainly be the exception as opposed to being strung out in some dark, shady alley with diminished integrity and lack of self-respect. But hey, the world doesn't move to the beat of just one drum... what might be right for you, might not be right for some. In the end all serves as a learning experience, and if whatever someone is into proves to be beneficial and useful to them and responsible usage isn't an issue, then more power to them.

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When I read the OP, it seems that godwide is doing the exact same thing he's criticizing: over-conceptualizing and compartmentalizing STS and STO. We know from the material of cases where sincerity belief of STO resulted in negative consequences. No, it's not rocket science, but esp with the ilusion, one doesn't polarize to STO or STS without acting in accordance with natural law - not merely from the standpoint man's circumstantial perception of what seems to be desirable.

I stand guilty as charged, in that in my bid to try to offer a simpler, more "watered down" definition of the two concepts by I unintentionally ended up compartmentalizing and over (or under) conceptualizing them while attempting to avoid it in the first place. Though I still did manage to offer a simpler, more emotively oriented view of them that may be better applied in the context of our everyday lives. However, may you please elaborate upon the last sentence of your post zenmaster?

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Indeed, it's mindblowing to think that one small moment we use in our incarnation to consciously determine "I want to walk the path of Light/Dark", that small moment will completely determine the ENTIRETY of our remaining experience of the Creation.

I know, right? What a bad hangover to, choose service to self in that "instant" of third-density and wake up on the flip side of fourth density saying, "OH F*CK, what was I thinking? That's the last time I'm getting drunk on power and greed."

Very interesting and highly accurate depiction/analogy of what post-Harvest for those of the highly negative polarity might be, as being a bad hangover. Though in doing so you also offer a very wise piece of advice, to never get drunk upon power and greed, and by extension knowledge as well (which ties in with power). Despite learning and understanding all that I have, I attempt to retain a very humble, selfless, calm and reserved disposition in life. In fact, for a very long time after discovering the Law of One material I would exclusively avoid ever thinking "I am Creator" and focused instead upon extensively viewing all others around me as Creator instead due to my preconception that the former thought would lead to megalomania, a "god complex", etc. I believe I have now reached a sufficient enough level of spiritual discipline and maturity in my eyes that I do not have to chain my thoughts so much as I take great care to never allow myself to fall into modes of thinking fraught with arrogance, pride, or conceitedness when I am in contemplation. I prevent unwholesome thoughts of such a nature from arising in the first place by "guarding the sense doors" to an extreme degree, carefully scrutinizing and analyzing every thought which enters my mind, allowing and sustaining only those thoughts which are aligned with positivity, humbleness, compassion, piety, etc. I cannot help but remember what that Zaxon fellow stated in his 'Greetings From The Dark' thread; "I present myself with the arrogance of one who comprehends himself as Creator".