03-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Godwide_Void, that is an absolutely amazing post. Loved your thoughts. Thank you.
Ankh, funny the "Daddy Ra" authorship of the quotes. : )
Agreed. As with the manyness/Oneness question, What I am/am not question is also a paradox in that both seem to be simultaneously true while being inherently mutually contradictory.
A delicious paragraph! Well well said. I loved "metaphysical video game" idea, and using terms like "intricate operating system".
Your thinking is in accord with my own here.
Ankh, to help explicate the idea of, "I am not this" a bit further.
Ultimately, it is I believe as you said, as the Law of One material says, and as mystics universally say: all is one; there is nothing that you are not, because you are all things. There is no two-ness, no true otherness. Just the one and one alone.
But the path to liberation from the dream of personality in third density is to realize that you are not the body/mind, not that which can be seen, not that which is an object of attention. You are in actuality the awareness within which these things arise, in which *all* things arise, including time and space. You are not limited to these outer forms, you are the infinite being from which these forms take shape.
This is not a denial of the body or the mind or the phenomenon of experience, but rather a *disidentification*. It is the act of no longer making an identity of these things. In order to realize your "true nature" it is, according to my understanding, essential to disidentify, to realize what you are not.
In disidentification, you pull back that ancient, outward moving tendency within your self to invest the "metaphysical video game" with an identity that is independent of, different from, and separate from the Source.
Eckharte Tolle, an individual I consider enlightened, says that the single most important step on your journey to enlightenment is disidentification from the mind.
Identification is like being so focused on a cloud that you think you ARE the cloud and only the cloud. You are separate from all other clouds and operate independently of the sky. To disidentify is to pull back the awareness so that you stop investing the cloud with your total identity. You realize that you are the sky.
That act of disidentification, and differentiation between your larger nature (sky) and limited nature (cloud), is essential to realize that you are the sky.
THEN, upon releasing the finite identity, you see that you are the sky and all that arises within the sky. Because you are no longer limited to that one small cloud, you see that you include ALL clouds, and all things that arise in the sky.
(It's a clumsy analogy but you get the gist. I hope. )
Consider Ra's definition of healing when they say,
Even though all things are one, healing is a matter of realizing what you thought was, is actually not.
You stop energizing the disharmony/imperfection (i.e., the conscious self that you think you are) in order to realize the true nature, and allow that true nature to reform that outer identity you thought was you.
Also, when Ra says,
(Contemplate what qualities/aspects of existence can be included under the category "distortion".)
And,
Likewise in the third quote - though in the end, and eternally right now, we are ALL things, we are not material beings in a material universe, despite all appearances indicating that we are.
And finally,
Likewise in the fourth quote - though we are all things, Ra draws a differentiation pointing to the awakening to "true" (as opposed to false) "life"
Ra says "Self reveals self to self". It's the self in all cases: whether the most distorted of distorted self, or the most pristine & undistorted self. You are all things.
But in the case of the hologram which operates thinking it is independent of the source and different from the One - living within time and space and separate from the "truth" - to know that we are "not" something is to know that we are not just the limited entity; not just thought patterns and emotions and physical vehicles; not just the experiences of our lives, inner and outer; but that, while those things do arise, we are the naked, unqualifiable awareness within which those things have their existence. We see time, and are timeless. We see space, and are spaceless. We see emotions, and are emotion-less. We have no qualities. We are all things because we are no-thing. : )
At least that's my take on it.
With love/light, GLB
PS: GV, if interested to know, "penultimate" is a misused word. It's not like "quintessence". It means the "next to the last". It's not super ultimate, but rather the most immediate step just below ultimate. : )
Ankh, funny the "Daddy Ra" authorship of the quotes. : )
(03-12-2012, 02:48 PM)godwide_void Wrote: This is another one of those concepts that is paradoxical, in that both sides hold truth.
Agreed. As with the manyness/Oneness question, What I am/am not question is also a paradox in that both seem to be simultaneously true while being inherently mutually contradictory.
(03-12-2012, 02:48 PM)godwide_void Wrote: On the other hand, all that surrounds us is NOT us, in that this world is first and foremost, an illusion. The soul is playing a 'metaphysical video game', so to speak. The objects we perceive, the emotions we feel, the thoughts we think, the bodies we inhabit, the areas we reside in, all of this is a highly interactive holographic construct. I say there is no self behind anything we experience, because the body is not the self, nor is the mind, and the spirit itself is also not the "self". One takes the "self" to refer to our mind/body/spirit complex. Remember that this is only an intricate operating system for our temporary vehicle to navigate this illusion. The visage you see in the mirror, this is not you. It is an avatar of your true self, your penultimate true self being the all-pervading fountainhead of consciousness which has given rise to and continues to sustain all that exists in the first place. You are only one small individuated aspect of its infinite awareness. Every action, interaction, cognitive formation, all things are a part of the grand machinations of the Creator.
A delicious paragraph! Well well said. I loved "metaphysical video game" idea, and using terms like "intricate operating system".
Your thinking is in accord with my own here.
Ankh, to help explicate the idea of, "I am not this" a bit further.
Ultimately, it is I believe as you said, as the Law of One material says, and as mystics universally say: all is one; there is nothing that you are not, because you are all things. There is no two-ness, no true otherness. Just the one and one alone.
But the path to liberation from the dream of personality in third density is to realize that you are not the body/mind, not that which can be seen, not that which is an object of attention. You are in actuality the awareness within which these things arise, in which *all* things arise, including time and space. You are not limited to these outer forms, you are the infinite being from which these forms take shape.
This is not a denial of the body or the mind or the phenomenon of experience, but rather a *disidentification*. It is the act of no longer making an identity of these things. In order to realize your "true nature" it is, according to my understanding, essential to disidentify, to realize what you are not.
In disidentification, you pull back that ancient, outward moving tendency within your self to invest the "metaphysical video game" with an identity that is independent of, different from, and separate from the Source.
Eckharte Tolle, an individual I consider enlightened, says that the single most important step on your journey to enlightenment is disidentification from the mind.
Identification is like being so focused on a cloud that you think you ARE the cloud and only the cloud. You are separate from all other clouds and operate independently of the sky. To disidentify is to pull back the awareness so that you stop investing the cloud with your total identity. You realize that you are the sky.
That act of disidentification, and differentiation between your larger nature (sky) and limited nature (cloud), is essential to realize that you are the sky.
THEN, upon releasing the finite identity, you see that you are the sky and all that arises within the sky. Because you are no longer limited to that one small cloud, you see that you include ALL clouds, and all things that arise in the sky.
(It's a clumsy analogy but you get the gist. I hope. )
Consider Ra's definition of healing when they say,
Quote:"Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect."
Even though all things are one, healing is a matter of realizing what you thought was, is actually not.
You stop energizing the disharmony/imperfection (i.e., the conscious self that you think you are) in order to realize the true nature, and allow that true nature to reform that outer identity you thought was you.
Also, when Ra says,
Quote:"The One is to be sought, as we have said, by the balanced and self-accepting self aware, both of its apparent distortions and its total perfection."Likewise in this quote - the distortions are "apparent". They have no true, enduring substance. They only appear so, but ultimately are not real, are not "you".
(Contemplate what qualities/aspects of existence can be included under the category "distortion".)
And,
Quote:"You are not part of a material universe. You are part of a thought. You are dancing in a ballroom in which there is no material. You are dancing thoughts."
Likewise in the third quote - though in the end, and eternally right now, we are ALL things, we are not material beings in a material universe, despite all appearances indicating that we are.
And finally,
Quote:"Thus the entity experiences true life or, as your people call it, resurrection."
Likewise in the fourth quote - though we are all things, Ra draws a differentiation pointing to the awakening to "true" (as opposed to false) "life"
Ra says "Self reveals self to self". It's the self in all cases: whether the most distorted of distorted self, or the most pristine & undistorted self. You are all things.
But in the case of the hologram which operates thinking it is independent of the source and different from the One - living within time and space and separate from the "truth" - to know that we are "not" something is to know that we are not just the limited entity; not just thought patterns and emotions and physical vehicles; not just the experiences of our lives, inner and outer; but that, while those things do arise, we are the naked, unqualifiable awareness within which those things have their existence. We see time, and are timeless. We see space, and are spaceless. We see emotions, and are emotion-less. We have no qualities. We are all things because we are no-thing. : )
At least that's my take on it.
With love/light, GLB
PS: GV, if interested to know, "penultimate" is a misused word. It's not like "quintessence". It means the "next to the last". It's not super ultimate, but rather the most immediate step just below ultimate. : )
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi