03-10-2012, 12:22 PM
And when that form of pleasure is the beating of innocent people, regardless of it being a choice of free will, it is still inhumanity and wrong.
Here is a cut from your post: Just know that this "saving others" service, is not of service to others oriented nature, as we have been taught by social memory complexes Ra and Latui. Specifics of this you can read in that FREE WILL thread that I've already mentioned. The service that you bring to another self, must be done from that other self's perspective, and not from yours. Because if you are providing service from your persepctive, from what you think is right and best for that other self, you cease serving that person, and now... serving the self. UNQUOTE
Does this not contradict what you say here? "My belief is that detachment to the outcome while offering teaching/healing/light/love/whatever is what the Free Will is about. To let each choose and believe as they wish. If someone finds what you have to offer interesting they will come to you by their own free will. Those who not, will choose their own, unique path of walking. This is so, because Creator wants to know Itself." UNQUOTE
The first quote is the specific quote that lead me to believe that you believed that my lighting the path for others was an infirngement on their free will. And I think there may have been a couple of other posts where you spoke of infringement as well. But, I am also seeing that there seems to the possibility of some misunderstanding here, according to your quote in the post above where we seem to agree.
Oftentimes these discussions get muddled in the complexity of their finer details. You are right that you have me confused.
I simply cannot understand how a loving person can see love in an act of brutality whether that brute has the choice to act in such a way or not, or whether we are all of One Consciousness or not.
I believe that there are extremes that cannot be accepted as good or tolerable, and I believe that although we are One Consciousness, it is a Consciousness that is fragmented for the purpose of the expression of free will, and with that free will, also discernment, and therefore judgment and common sense. I agree that we should never impose our choices on others, but we must use discretion and reason to judge what is extreme and intolerable with regard to inhumanity.
Here is a cut from your post: Just know that this "saving others" service, is not of service to others oriented nature, as we have been taught by social memory complexes Ra and Latui. Specifics of this you can read in that FREE WILL thread that I've already mentioned. The service that you bring to another self, must be done from that other self's perspective, and not from yours. Because if you are providing service from your persepctive, from what you think is right and best for that other self, you cease serving that person, and now... serving the self. UNQUOTE
Does this not contradict what you say here? "My belief is that detachment to the outcome while offering teaching/healing/light/love/whatever is what the Free Will is about. To let each choose and believe as they wish. If someone finds what you have to offer interesting they will come to you by their own free will. Those who not, will choose their own, unique path of walking. This is so, because Creator wants to know Itself." UNQUOTE
The first quote is the specific quote that lead me to believe that you believed that my lighting the path for others was an infirngement on their free will. And I think there may have been a couple of other posts where you spoke of infringement as well. But, I am also seeing that there seems to the possibility of some misunderstanding here, according to your quote in the post above where we seem to agree.
Oftentimes these discussions get muddled in the complexity of their finer details. You are right that you have me confused.
I simply cannot understand how a loving person can see love in an act of brutality whether that brute has the choice to act in such a way or not, or whether we are all of One Consciousness or not.
I believe that there are extremes that cannot be accepted as good or tolerable, and I believe that although we are One Consciousness, it is a Consciousness that is fragmented for the purpose of the expression of free will, and with that free will, also discernment, and therefore judgment and common sense. I agree that we should never impose our choices on others, but we must use discretion and reason to judge what is extreme and intolerable with regard to inhumanity.