03-05-2012, 03:49 PM
Shin'Ar,
I cannot speak for others, only myself. It may be that those you perceive as having an STS orientation seek to "bring sheep into the flock." However, these attempts would only have the effect of neutralizing and confusing someone who is fundamentally of an STO orientation. None plumb the depths of STS understanding, to the point of achieving harvestability, without knowing exactly what they are getting into. Speaking from my own perspective, I have no need for sheep, save for those that reside on the end of my fork. STS societies are more akin to a pack of wolves, than sheep. Every person I have encountered who is STS inclined has had a somewhat predatory and virulently independent way about them. They are not the sort of people who are lead - they resent anyone who trys to lead them anywhere. Every idea is challenged and disputed until reason dictates only one answer.
The STO society seeks harmonization of self with other-selves. Both the peaks and valleys of a society come to be a consistent plane, as weak are aided by the middling and strong, and the strongest serve all. The self necessarily becomes dissipated into other-selves, as the collective becomes the only possible identity one may have, with each fervently striving towards finding self in other-selves. In this social configuration both the self and individual free will become nominal aspects of the greater communal will and societal identity. As you so often say, the self is an illusion that must be discarded. The STO entity indulges in the illusion that this unity with the societal self is unity with the al encompassing Creator, even though it retains its collective biases and foibles, and remains only an aspect of creation.
The STO oriented person may see this unity with other-selves as desirous, and those who do so are welcome to it. However, to me this society is nothing short of death and slavery, demeaning both free will and the individual as Creator. As the STO society indulges in their illusion of other-selves as Creator, I will indulge in my own, as self as Creator. All are right and all are wrong, and this is the paradox of creation which none can escape until all are truly reunited with Creator. There will come a time, I would agree, when all unify with the Creator in all its aspects and all differences are ameliorated. However, by that time I suspect the differences between self and other-selves will be so few that union is not so repugnant. The STO will say, the STS has finally come to see the light and has switched to STO polarity. The STS will say, the STO has finally come to see that they are themselves the Creator, and needed no one else after all. However, until that time the pantomime goes on.
-Zaxon
I cannot speak for others, only myself. It may be that those you perceive as having an STS orientation seek to "bring sheep into the flock." However, these attempts would only have the effect of neutralizing and confusing someone who is fundamentally of an STO orientation. None plumb the depths of STS understanding, to the point of achieving harvestability, without knowing exactly what they are getting into. Speaking from my own perspective, I have no need for sheep, save for those that reside on the end of my fork. STS societies are more akin to a pack of wolves, than sheep. Every person I have encountered who is STS inclined has had a somewhat predatory and virulently independent way about them. They are not the sort of people who are lead - they resent anyone who trys to lead them anywhere. Every idea is challenged and disputed until reason dictates only one answer.
The STO society seeks harmonization of self with other-selves. Both the peaks and valleys of a society come to be a consistent plane, as weak are aided by the middling and strong, and the strongest serve all. The self necessarily becomes dissipated into other-selves, as the collective becomes the only possible identity one may have, with each fervently striving towards finding self in other-selves. In this social configuration both the self and individual free will become nominal aspects of the greater communal will and societal identity. As you so often say, the self is an illusion that must be discarded. The STO entity indulges in the illusion that this unity with the societal self is unity with the al encompassing Creator, even though it retains its collective biases and foibles, and remains only an aspect of creation.
The STO oriented person may see this unity with other-selves as desirous, and those who do so are welcome to it. However, to me this society is nothing short of death and slavery, demeaning both free will and the individual as Creator. As the STO society indulges in their illusion of other-selves as Creator, I will indulge in my own, as self as Creator. All are right and all are wrong, and this is the paradox of creation which none can escape until all are truly reunited with Creator. There will come a time, I would agree, when all unify with the Creator in all its aspects and all differences are ameliorated. However, by that time I suspect the differences between self and other-selves will be so few that union is not so repugnant. The STO will say, the STS has finally come to see the light and has switched to STO polarity. The STS will say, the STO has finally come to see that they are themselves the Creator, and needed no one else after all. However, until that time the pantomime goes on.
-Zaxon
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