01-18-2009, 01:17 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-18-2009, 01:45 PM by Steppingfeet.)
Lavazza wrote:
That is an excellent question. It is one I too have considered. If third density is designed so that those within it must polarize by the faculties of will and faith alone, how can “outside” information be allowed in? If it is deliberately designed by the Logos that we should remain blind with no certain knowledge of the true nature of reality, that such knowledge should be hidden from our faculties of perception, why would representatives, (or “humble messengers”), be allowed to enter the fray and communicate with words what was designed to be hidden and completely out of sight? How can entities “in the know” share information with those who are in a carefully placed position of ignorance and confusion?
I believe that DreamingPeace began to get to the heart of the matter when she said:
In other words, Confederation entities, like Ra, can provide the information precisely because some on planet Earth seek exactly that information.
Let me take a step back and examine the thrust of your question for a moment before moving forward with my response.
It seems that you may be conflating the act of abridging free will on planet Earth with the capacity to be a means for delivering to the entity that which it seeks. I believe that abridging and serving free will are two entirely different activities.
Abridging Free Will
To abridge free will is to short-circuit the entity’s most fundamental and inalienable right, that is, the right of the entity to choose its own course of spiritual evolution, to find the truth within themselves as a result of their own choices. This topic in and of itself is too deep for me to plumb and definitely outside of the scope of this post, but, in short, to abridge free will is, in its more extreme manifestation, to attempt to control or manipulate the other self and to impose ones own agenda on another. In its less obnoxious forms, from Ra’s standpoint, abridging free will happens when the entity has been provided with information that removes or limits the privilege of making a choice in full blindness.
It is easy to see the obvious forms of abridgment such that negative entities offer. (Actually, STS abridgment is typically committed in cloaked and deceptive ways so that it does not appear to be abridgment. So perhaps it’s not so easy! In principle, at least, abridgment of the extreme service to self sort is easy to see. To the outsider, one cannot mistake the abridgment of a people being brainwashed and subjugated by the autocrat, or the enslavement of one people by another.) What is more difficult is distinguishing abridgment in the case such as you bring up, that of offering information about the nature of reality through channels.
Serving Free Will
I think the confusion in your question comes from the lack of differentiation between “violation” of free will and serving free will. It seems you are saying that, in offering positively oriented information, no matter how welcome it may be, the Confederation entities are *affecting* the situation on planet Earth, most especially your life and my life and all readers of the material! You seem to say, “These Confederation entities who are supposed to watch from a distance, these beings who are honor-bound to let humankind choose their own path, have, by virtue of speaking through telepathic channels, *affected* my decision-making process! My life would be different had I not encountered the information they provided!"
This is where the difference comes in between violation/abridgment of free will and serving/promoting free will.
Session 89
The telepathically transmitted information about spiritual evolution which the Confederation offers is a service rendered only to the extent that the service is *requested*. Ra and the other Confederation entities can indeed *affect* life here on planet earth, but only within very strict boundaries. Because of their respect for free will and their purity, they can affect things only in proportion to the strength of our call, that is to say, they can only operate as a direct function of *our* free will.
If our planet had unanimously chosen to polarize in service to self, Ra’s information would have no place here. But as some entities on this planet are receptive to their particular philosophical understanding, and call for that understanding, whether consciously or unconsciously, Ra has the equivalent of the positive polarity’s permission slip to operate within the earth realm.
Thusly it is we who have brought this information to us. Ra and the others are only the “humble messengers” of the truth which lives within us right this moment. We as wanderers and spiritual seekers have awakened to the extent that we desire, on some level, to know this unitary truth. We desire the catalyst of spiritually oriented information which we wish to put into practice and apply to our own experience for the purpose of spiritual evolution. We are the growing plants who have awakened to the knowledge of the benefit of water and as such have requested, on one level or another, that life-giving water. Ra, and the other harvesters, are happy to oblige.
Our free will is protected first and foremost in this transaction by the fact that the communication takes place telepathically. Thus there is nothing given which we would consider “proof” for the existence of Ra, the Confederation, or their statement that reality is one. It is only real because we have faith that it is real. Science is the ultimate arbiter of truth in today’s paradigm and without the consent of science, Ra, by the world’s standards, does not exist.
Secondly, our free will is protected because, in general, the Confederation speaks only in terms of the spiritual principles of evolution. There are a basic set of spiritual principles which contain the keys to evolution, but those principles are uniquely interpreted, uniquely accessed, and uniquely applied to the unique circumstances of ones present moment.
The act of sharing these principles moves closer to abridgment (though where that line lies for a sixth density social memory complex is not for my understanding) when the humble messenger begins interpreting these eternal principles for the receiving third density entity. Ra could, it seems, instruct the group in techniques to a certain extent, but the heart of spiritual evolution, that is, finding and becoming the Creator, was left with Don, with Carla, and with Jim – where it always belongs.
Session 77
Abridging free will versus promoting and safeguarding free will is an infinitely complex and subtle dance with more shades of nuance and variety than I could possibly even remotely come close to summarizing, but I believe I’ve touched upon some the more basic elements in the consideration of this dynamic. I believe that much of our evolution is done, in fact, as we learn the different between abridgment and non-abridgment in our daily round of activities.
I hope I have spoken to your query in a helpful way, Lavazza. Asking the self where the boundary lies between abridgment and promotion of free will in ones interactions with other selves is absolutely central to the path of spiritual evolution, both for the positive and the negative entity, I believe.
The issue of free will comes up a great deal for me in my relationship with everyone, but especially with my girlfriend. In the loving mirror she offers me, I often get to see the service to self within me, that portion of my consciousness which sees the rightness in imposing my agenda onto another because I know “best” for that other or for us both. It seems that, whether in relationship to my girlfriend or any entity with whom I interact, I will be faced again and again with the question of whether I am serving or abridging free will.
It can be difficult for me to release my own stubborn determination which seeks to aid the other in helping them to chart their course. I must constantly remind myself that, despite my apparent omniscience, I can never do the work for another. They and only they can find their way home. And while I can be there in full compassion to offer love, kindness, support, and whatever else may be needed when they stumble and fall, as they inevitably will, I cannot interfere with their stumbling, I cannot short-circuit their learning, I cannot clear the path for them, I cannot and can never see what is theirs to learn and what choices they must make to find their way home.
Love and rock on,
GLB
PS: Sorry everyone for the super-long post!! I hope I have not abridged your desire to do something actually productive with your day. : )
Quote:How can these entities give us ANY information at all, without violating our free will? I mean, the information is certainly, certainly welcome beyond all the means that I could express. I think the information has been crucial to the spiritual development of who knows how many people. But there's the paradox, we're changing the way we think and do things based on what's given. Even if it's a good thing, isn't it a violation of free will?
That is an excellent question. It is one I too have considered. If third density is designed so that those within it must polarize by the faculties of will and faith alone, how can “outside” information be allowed in? If it is deliberately designed by the Logos that we should remain blind with no certain knowledge of the true nature of reality, that such knowledge should be hidden from our faculties of perception, why would representatives, (or “humble messengers”), be allowed to enter the fray and communicate with words what was designed to be hidden and completely out of sight? How can entities “in the know” share information with those who are in a carefully placed position of ignorance and confusion?
I believe that DreamingPeace began to get to the heart of the matter when she said:
Quote:They can give info in response to the calling. We call by reading the books. We also call unconsciously. They hear our call and respond.
In other words, Confederation entities, like Ra, can provide the information precisely because some on planet Earth seek exactly that information.
Let me take a step back and examine the thrust of your question for a moment before moving forward with my response.
It seems that you may be conflating the act of abridging free will on planet Earth with the capacity to be a means for delivering to the entity that which it seeks. I believe that abridging and serving free will are two entirely different activities.
Abridging Free Will
To abridge free will is to short-circuit the entity’s most fundamental and inalienable right, that is, the right of the entity to choose its own course of spiritual evolution, to find the truth within themselves as a result of their own choices. This topic in and of itself is too deep for me to plumb and definitely outside of the scope of this post, but, in short, to abridge free will is, in its more extreme manifestation, to attempt to control or manipulate the other self and to impose ones own agenda on another. In its less obnoxious forms, from Ra’s standpoint, abridging free will happens when the entity has been provided with information that removes or limits the privilege of making a choice in full blindness.
It is easy to see the obvious forms of abridgment such that negative entities offer. (Actually, STS abridgment is typically committed in cloaked and deceptive ways so that it does not appear to be abridgment. So perhaps it’s not so easy! In principle, at least, abridgment of the extreme service to self sort is easy to see. To the outsider, one cannot mistake the abridgment of a people being brainwashed and subjugated by the autocrat, or the enslavement of one people by another.) What is more difficult is distinguishing abridgment in the case such as you bring up, that of offering information about the nature of reality through channels.
Serving Free Will
I think the confusion in your question comes from the lack of differentiation between “violation” of free will and serving free will. It seems you are saying that, in offering positively oriented information, no matter how welcome it may be, the Confederation entities are *affecting* the situation on planet Earth, most especially your life and my life and all readers of the material! You seem to say, “These Confederation entities who are supposed to watch from a distance, these beings who are honor-bound to let humankind choose their own path, have, by virtue of speaking through telepathic channels, *affected* my decision-making process! My life would be different had I not encountered the information they provided!"
This is where the difference comes in between violation/abridgment of free will and serving/promoting free will.
Session 89
Quote:To those who wish to sleep we could only offer those comforts designed for the sleeping. Service is only possible to the extent it is requested. We were ready to serve in whatever way we could. This still seems satisfactory as a means of dealing with other-selves in third density. It is our feeling that to be each entity which one attempts to serve is to simplify the grasp of what service is necessary or possible.
The telepathically transmitted information about spiritual evolution which the Confederation offers is a service rendered only to the extent that the service is *requested*. Ra and the other Confederation entities can indeed *affect* life here on planet earth, but only within very strict boundaries. Because of their respect for free will and their purity, they can affect things only in proportion to the strength of our call, that is to say, they can only operate as a direct function of *our* free will.
If our planet had unanimously chosen to polarize in service to self, Ra’s information would have no place here. But as some entities on this planet are receptive to their particular philosophical understanding, and call for that understanding, whether consciously or unconsciously, Ra has the equivalent of the positive polarity’s permission slip to operate within the earth realm.
Thusly it is we who have brought this information to us. Ra and the others are only the “humble messengers” of the truth which lives within us right this moment. We as wanderers and spiritual seekers have awakened to the extent that we desire, on some level, to know this unitary truth. We desire the catalyst of spiritually oriented information which we wish to put into practice and apply to our own experience for the purpose of spiritual evolution. We are the growing plants who have awakened to the knowledge of the benefit of water and as such have requested, on one level or another, that life-giving water. Ra, and the other harvesters, are happy to oblige.
Our free will is protected first and foremost in this transaction by the fact that the communication takes place telepathically. Thus there is nothing given which we would consider “proof” for the existence of Ra, the Confederation, or their statement that reality is one. It is only real because we have faith that it is real. Science is the ultimate arbiter of truth in today’s paradigm and without the consent of science, Ra, by the world’s standards, does not exist.
Secondly, our free will is protected because, in general, the Confederation speaks only in terms of the spiritual principles of evolution. There are a basic set of spiritual principles which contain the keys to evolution, but those principles are uniquely interpreted, uniquely accessed, and uniquely applied to the unique circumstances of ones present moment.
The act of sharing these principles moves closer to abridgment (though where that line lies for a sixth density social memory complex is not for my understanding) when the humble messenger begins interpreting these eternal principles for the receiving third density entity. Ra could, it seems, instruct the group in techniques to a certain extent, but the heart of spiritual evolution, that is, finding and becoming the Creator, was left with Don, with Carla, and with Jim – where it always belongs.
Session 77
Quote:We cannot teach/learn to the extent of learn/teaching
Abridging free will versus promoting and safeguarding free will is an infinitely complex and subtle dance with more shades of nuance and variety than I could possibly even remotely come close to summarizing, but I believe I’ve touched upon some the more basic elements in the consideration of this dynamic. I believe that much of our evolution is done, in fact, as we learn the different between abridgment and non-abridgment in our daily round of activities.
I hope I have spoken to your query in a helpful way, Lavazza. Asking the self where the boundary lies between abridgment and promotion of free will in ones interactions with other selves is absolutely central to the path of spiritual evolution, both for the positive and the negative entity, I believe.
The issue of free will comes up a great deal for me in my relationship with everyone, but especially with my girlfriend. In the loving mirror she offers me, I often get to see the service to self within me, that portion of my consciousness which sees the rightness in imposing my agenda onto another because I know “best” for that other or for us both. It seems that, whether in relationship to my girlfriend or any entity with whom I interact, I will be faced again and again with the question of whether I am serving or abridging free will.
It can be difficult for me to release my own stubborn determination which seeks to aid the other in helping them to chart their course. I must constantly remind myself that, despite my apparent omniscience, I can never do the work for another. They and only they can find their way home. And while I can be there in full compassion to offer love, kindness, support, and whatever else may be needed when they stumble and fall, as they inevitably will, I cannot interfere with their stumbling, I cannot short-circuit their learning, I cannot clear the path for them, I cannot and can never see what is theirs to learn and what choices they must make to find their way home.
Love and rock on,
GLB
PS: Sorry everyone for the super-long post!! I hope I have not abridged your desire to do something actually productive with your day. : )
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi