Higher Being

[Pablísimo]

First of all, thank you very much for your detailed response and the information you have shared. I appreciate that.

You did not answer 2 of my 3 questions, but the one you did answer was the most important, and I feel I can adequately infer the other answers based on what you did say.

No, Pablisimo, do not toss the baby out with the bathwater, just because its babysitter may have used deception in some manner to relay the truth. Care not what package the truth comes in as long as it is brought to you in some way.

This is extremely good advice, and a phrase that I've often used when discussing spiritual topics. I have gotten enormous value from many sources, including traditional ones. If I were the type to throw the baby out with the bathwater, then I would never have learned so much from Jesus, from Guru Nanak, from Lao Tsu, or even Buddha. Discernment is always important, just as adopting what is useful and helpful from any body of spiritual work while letting go that which is unhelpful. This is why Ra gently reminded us, again and again, to take what resonates and leave behind that which does not.

However, I do take issue with intentional deception. What you have stated is basically correct, that distortion-free truth conveyance is impossible in this density, due to the subjective nature of reality and the vagaries of humanity.

However, there is absolutely no reason that INTENTIONAL deception should be used as a vehicle for the transmission of truth. The only part of what you have written that I have a strong (rather than semantical or minor) disagreement with is this:

...just because its babysitter may have used deception in some manner to relay the truth...

These Teachings, of the Children of the Law of One, valid though some of them are, were wrapped up in a lie that was labeled as "truth". The story recounted was affirmed to be absolutely true, in multiple places in that book. This is intentional rather than accidental. And yet I have discovered what is to me irrefutable evidence that the story is NOT true. I'm not one that has to have absolute evidence in order to consider a source credible, for if I were then I wouldn't be on this Law of One forum discussing L/L Research's work. However, I do not ignore information such as what I discovered about the Source Family origins of the Children of the Law of One teachings. Given the organic way in which I learned it, clearly the universe gave me this information to better my understanding and discernment and perhaps even to share it with others.

Much of what you say rings true to me. But using deception as a method of transmission of spiritual teachings simply does not resonate with me at all. There is no need to add to the unavoidable distortion in any such work by intentionally adding lies.

I can certainly take those parts that are helpful and look past the package they arrived in, as I have done with many more distorted sources of truth, such as traditional religion. And yet the awareness of this deception prompts me to use more discernment when evaluating the Teachings themselves, and to rightfully wonder how many other parts may have been intentionally distorted?

The origins of the teachings of the Law of One are ancient. This hippy group which you speak of, or any Hindu or Buddhist monk, are all teaching the same ancient truths. And because We are all human, human imperfections are going to reveal themselves in the representations of those ancient teachings.

The Law of One is indeed ancient. It is beyond time, and never in the Ra material is it claimed that Ra is not distorted nor that they have a monopoly on the truth. If you were to study it further, I feel confident you will see this.

In the very first session, Ra stated this "We hope to offer you a somewhat different slant upon the information which is always and ever the same."

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=1&ss=0

I would add further, that though the Truth itself is eternal, that hippy group, and those monks are NOT teaching the same ancient truths. They are teaching their understandings, their personal distortions of said ancient truths. Just because the underlying concepts are timeless does not mean that all sources are equal, or the same, from a teaching perspective. Perhaps you should consider the source this forum is dedicated to more fully before drawing conclusions. Perhaps you should take a good, honest look at your source, including the deception that I sense you are aware of, and reconsider. Perhaps I should do the same with mine. A friend once asked me what I would do if a Ra Material 2.0 came out, or a more clear and helpful spiritual system were to come to my awareness. I laughed and said then I would joyfully integrate it.

I see no need to fear further expansion of our understanding, even if that means that we have to let go of, or re-examine our previous sources of Truth. I have no fear in this possibility, though to date I have found no source more personally helpful to me than Ra.

The question should not be about the credibility of origin, or the degree of quantity of truth found in them. The question should be how are these ancient truths being preserved and continued in the face of such misrepresentation and human corruption?

Credibility of origin issues aside, I do believe that the degree and quantity of truth within a spiritual teaching is absolutely relevant. I believe in the Golden Rule, to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but that doesn't make me a traditional Christian. I also believe that the best way to preserve ancient truths is not to wrap them up in intentional lies. I am but one Being in a vast ocean of consciousness, and there are those who will have a different perspective on this. Here I am only sharing my own. I seek those who try to convey spiritual information with the least amount of distortion possible under the circumstances of life on this planet. That I did not find in your Teaching.

Whether brough to us by Archangels, or beings from the stars, and whether often misconstrued and infected with impurity, the truth resounds within us so loudly and deeply that it cannot be annihilated. It is a living part of what we are, and when we find even portions of it through our personal experiences we recognize it. However, it is what we do with it when find it that matters most. Discovering truth, and recognizing it is one thing, but we have the choice to apply it in such a way that it adds to, or takes away from, the growth of The All.

I do agree with this as well. No'one has a monopoly on the understandings of the Law of One. But that goes for your group as well. I resonated with many of the teachings in that book, but not all of them. It is absolutely possible that there is distortion and error in your version of the Law of One, just as it is possible in that as given by Ra. I doubt that many would argue that distortion is possible, or even probable, in all sources of spiritual information available to us as humans. That does not mean, however, that we should not seek the least distorted information we can. Wrapping teachings in lies is simply not congruent with my own spiritual goals.

Service to others is service to All, and therefore service to self because the self is the All.

But service to self is in neglect of others, and so in neglect of the All.

I'm perplexed by your return to this topic again and again. The Law of One as given by Ra teaches much the same thing. STS is a valid path to the creator, to a certain point. And since we are One, to serve the Self is to Serve All. STS is service to others, in a sense, it's just heavily distorted. There is no contradiction to what you're saying here that I've found in the Ra Material.

This is simply the difference between showing love for others, and a certain and focused lack of love for others. There are many records around the world that show images of humanimals. All of the ancient religions speak of them in some way.

Well, I'm interested in particular to know where the teachings about the humanimals that were specifically taught in the Children of The Law of One originated? I can plainly see where much of the other teachings came from, namely Father Yod & Yogi Bhajan, but from what I have seen they did not teach Atlantis. Or perhaps this was something the Source Family did teach but they have not published it. I feel that perhaps the source material might be more helpful than the fictionalized renditions as given in The Children of The Law of One book, thus I'd like to study it.

I suppose I could send an email to the Source Family and see if Atlantean teachings are part of their inner teachings that have not been published. But as you seem to have have some familiarity with this group, I thought perhaps you would know where these Atlantean teachings / humanimals stuff originated. Or was it just teachings as given by the guru guitarist Jon Peniel/Zoroaster?

The Tarot is based entirely on the discernment of dark and light. Virtually all of the anceint teachings relate to us the neverending battle between the dark and the light. So whether described to us through legends of humanimals, genetic manipulation, or battles between aliens or gods, we would be foolhardy to deny that which is plainy seen around the world to this very day and has been man's greatest burden and shame. That which we do to our fellowman and our mother earth is abominable to the All. And yet it is nothing more than a particular vibratory experience of the One. Neither good nor evil; just one of many facets.

All of this is congruent with Ra's teachings. I'm confused as to why you bring it up? Perhaps the issue is that you have been arguing about a topic that you have not sufficiently studied? Perhaps greater familiarity with the Law of One as given by Ra would help you make your case? Some who participate here are unfamiliar or do not agree with the Ra material, so perhaps your conversations have not been as fruitful with them as they might be with others. It may also simply be that those you have been debating with do not have the same understanding of the Ra material that you might if you were to study it in depth. One of the beautiful things about this community is that our opinions and understandings are anything but homogeneous.

And yet, still there is choice.

Indeed, that is the central teaching of the Law of One for 3rd density beings. The Choice. Making the Choice so that the chosen polarity can form a foundation for work in higher densities.

Despite how many would like to make it seem, the Law of One is not one teaching, it is teachings from around the world throughout history recognized by the One Consciousness as truth. Truth of the One Consciousness is the Law of One. It is by becoming aware of this Oneness of the All that we evolve from one vibratory experience into another. When we become one with the All in awareness we are transformed by the Intelligent Energy, as Ra calls it, and enter into a new experience of this existence.

Again, all true. Ra stated in session 1.0 that they were providing a different take on information that is always and ever the same. Have the Law of One students you have been debating with been arguing otherwise?

This is our goal. I see nothing in my study of Book one of the Ra material that suggests any contradiction to this. And as a matter of fact I see much emphasis on it.

We have choice. We are the One. We experience the All through many eyes. As One we create the All. As many we create the experiences within it.

Will we make that experience, that creation, that existence, one filled with love and service to others, and thus service to the All? Light.

Or will we fill the creation with a lack of love for others and instead create an existence of service to self filled with greed, lust and selfishness? Dark

I agree completely. That is the Choice we all have, and I too see nothing in the Ra material that suggests otherwise.

This is the plight of the angels that came here and were faced with these same choices, as are we.

This is a theological difference between your teachings and those of Ra. I feel it is less important than the universal truths being discussed, but this is one area in particular that is different between your distorted Teachings and our distorted Teachings.

With one exception; we are in the process of evolving toward a great change in dimensional and vibratory experience. Ra calls it the harvest. Many religions speak of it in various ways. How we vibrate when that time arrives upon us makes the difference between whether we move on to a world that we will share with others that are filled with the love of service to others, or whether we move on to a place where others will not want to share anything. According to Ra those oriented toward STO vibrations will go to a place with others of similar vibration. And those with STS vibrations will go to a place with STS oriented beings. It is your choice now, but when the time comes you will be what you have chosen to become. Is this what the truth has been misinterpeted into as heaven and hell?

This is a just a different way of stating much of what Ra teaches. I've found the Ra material to be the single least-distorted source of information that I have ever come across in my lifetime of spiritual practice. So I tend to compare the Ra material to everything else I encounter. Perhaps you are doing the same with the Children of the Law of One material. This is perfectly acceptable, but I think some respect for those who do not share your same foundation is in order. This forum is dedicated to studying and discussing the Law of One as given by Ra, which is why greater familiarity with the topic would aid in your debates and discussions on this site, and indeed would show more respect and care for L/L Research who has provided this space.

Shall we make all of this amazing creation all about us alone, or shall we enjoy the All and be a part of it All? That my friend is the difference between STO and STS. I implore those here studying this material to re-read through it with this understanding, and see if they can realize that what they have interpreted may not be exactly what they assumed it to be.

I agree with this. Though I would counsel humility for everyone involved. Too much conviction about your conclusions and understandings, whether you study Ra or study Zoroaster/Jon Peniel, blocks you off from further expansion and knowledge. The moment in which a man declares enlightenment is the very moment in which he admits his ignorance. You may have been debating with folks who had not studied the Law of One to a sufficient degree to adequately address your questions. Or perhaps it's just that your distortions are bringing out distortions in others so that the catalyst provided can benefit everyone and there can be a meaningful exchange of information.

I don't really know the dynamics of everything that is happening between you and others, but I do know that lately there has been an influx of visitors to this forum who seem to be on a mission to "Teach" others. When this Teaching is forced on others who did not ask for it, and when it is delivered with absolute conviction and lack of humility, it becomes divisive and unhelpful. Ra explained that we Teach as we Learn and Learn as we Teach. Thus we learn/teach or we teach/learn. Whenever we feel we have the ultimate Truth, and others do not, then we are not learning, and thus not teaching effectively.

I feel it is far better to share our understandings and grow. We help others with our knowledge, and they help us with theirs. It should be a two-way exchange, and I for one would like to see far more Teach/Learners on this forum than the current crop of Teachers.

Making the connection with the Divine is what this particular density is all about. How one makes that connection can be individually, or as One with the All.

I completely agree with this. You speak Truth here. The nature of that connection will involve polarity within this density, but it is a divine connection all the same.

How one continues in the All depends on how one makes that connection. This is the Law of One, and those who strive to understand this are The Children of the Law of One.

You know, I think this could be better stated thusly:

The Law of One simply is.
The Children of the Law of One are students of Jon Peniel/Zoroaster's understanding of the Law of One, transmitted through fictional stories.
Seekers in this forum are students of Ra & the confederation's understanding of the Law of One, transmitted through unverifiable channelings.

But it doesn't really matter.... since Truth stands on its own and, in the end, we are all One. There is no need for labels for our individual distortions.

Much love to you, Brother. Namaste.


Love to all