02-24-2012, 07:42 PM
Executive summary / Short version:
I believe the Law of One that Shin'Ar is talking about is based on this:
http://www.atlantis.to/
...which though not clearly labeled is a group started by a former member/student of this group:
http://www.yahowha.org/
Which in turn had been founded by a former member/student of this group:
http://www.yogibhajan.com/
Thus the teachings are heavily influenced by those two groups + an source unknown to me involving Atlantean material.
Whereas the Law of One forum that we are in is based on this:
http://www.lawofone.info
http://llresearch.org/library.aspx
which was a communication with a 6D social memory complex named Ra by a small group of seekers in the US in the eighties.
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Shin'Ar,
I would like to add something to this discussion, please, in the spirit of information exchange. I tend to get a little wordy when I write posts, so I apologize in advance for the length. I would like to describe this information to you in an organic fashion and explain it as I experienced it. I'd like to show you how I arrived at this information so that it is clear that I am not trying to attack your beliefs or teachings, nor am I trying to push an agenda. But I really feel compelled to help clarify this situation, and hopefully share something with you and others that will be of value. Maybe you can help me better understand and make sense of all this as well.
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I have been a spiritual seeker for most of my life, and as such am always open to new information and am interested in a wide range of teachings. I am slow to adopt a new spiritual practice or teaching, but I am quickly interested and try to give all things a fair hearing. I am always learning. Of course, never have I found anything as spiritually useful to me as the Law of One as given by Ra, but I have been edified and helped by many other sources of information and my personal spiritual practice is an amalgam of many different teachings. I tell you this so you may better understand what is to follow.
A couple of years back, I became intensely interested in Sikhism. After studying Guru Nanak's teachings for some time, I soon learned that the religion had greatly changed from his founding. The Indian, or traditional, branch had been modified considerably thanks to a succession of later gurus, especially the 10th & final human guru, Gobind Singh. But more relevant to this post, a branch of "Western Sikhism" that was more Hindu and mystical in nature was started this century by a person called Yogi Bhajan. You can tell members of this sect by their all-white Sikh clothing and that women wear turbans as well as men.
Though I was then and still am now deeply moved by Nanak's original teachings, I found that I simply did not resonate with what the religion had evolved into in the east. So, I had a fair look at what Yogi Bhajan had to teach in the West to see if it was closer to Nanaks' original, or if it was edifying in its own right. Though I hesitate to use a pejorative term, my subjective impression after studying it for some time was that he had formed basically a mild cult based on Hinduism mixed with new age practices, all wrapped into a Sikh outer layer. At that point, I stopped studying modern Sikhism, both eastern and western. I took what I found useful from Nanak's original teachings, paid my respects and gave my thanks, and then stopped that line of inquiry.
In the midst of this, I ran across a reference to one of Yogi Bhajan's students, James Edward Baker. He evidently started his own spiritual group in the 60's, re-named himself "Father Yod" and called his group "The Source Family". They opened a vegetarian restaurant in LA which grew into a hugely popular place that celebrities liked to visit. This group was absolutely funky and unique, in a mostly good way. They wore amazing costumes and made good rock music. One could say there were cultish aspects for sure, namely around sexual interactions, but overall they seem positive and loving to me. They are still around and you can find out more about their teachings from here:
http://www.yahowha.org/
Well, I wasn't really interested in deeply studying their teachings, but they were so original and unique, I wanted to know more. So I ordered a book they had produced called "The Source, the untold story of Father Yod, Ya Ho Wa 13, and the Source Family".
http://www.amazon.com/Source-Untold-Stor...976082292/
..and I also rented a documentary that had been made about The Source Family
https://signup.netflix.com/movie/Re-Visi...y/70112892
I watched the documentary and read the book. I appreciated the echos of Sikhism in it, but mostly just found it entertaining. I forgot all about it for a few months....
This brings me to the Children of the Law of One. When I became aware of the "Children of the Law of One" group, I was intrigued by their teachings as given on their website. So, I ordered a copy of what seemed to be the Teachings compiled into one place, in a book called "The Children of The Law of One & the Lost Teachings of Atlantis".
http://www.atlantis.to/
I read the whole thing. I resonated GREATLY with some of it, though there were parts of it that I did not. However in it, the author, Jon Penial [which seems to be an anagram of Pineal], recounts his story. He talks about moving to a secret and special monestary in Tibet and receiving spiritual training. The Atlantean history of the Children of the Law of One are given as well as a whole host of spiritual practices and topics. He claims that his spiritual order is an ancient one and that he learned all of this from his time in Tibet in that special monastery.
Though I do sense distortion in this book, it is still worthwhile to read. There is much truth and wisdom. However, you know what struck me about it the most? There was a familiarity about the teachings and the description of the monestary that I couldn't quite place my finger on. I had seen alot of this stuff before, but I couldn't quite remember. I put the book aside after I was finished, and ordered a DVD with some of their exercises, because I was still intrigued.
Then one day as I was moving some of my books around I came across that Source Family book. In flipping through it, I happened upon page #268. I quote it here:
"ZOROASTER - took part in the music energy. We are confident that he wrote a novel using Father and Family history called "The Children of the Law of One, the Lost Teachings of Atlantis."
They are basically stating that a former guitarist for their group and Family member wrote the book for what founded the version of "The Law of One" that you seem to be espousing here.
BAM! Then I realized, that was it. Taking a quick glance at the yahowha.org website showed many of the same spiritual topics that were in the CoLo1 book. I watched the documentary again and you could see that Jon Peniel was allegorically describing his own time with Father Yod & The Source Family as a Tibetan monastery. Even the living space / hive pods that he describes in the book were talked about in the documentary. I received the book from a Hawaiian address, which is where the Source Family ended up. The parallels were really undeniable. If you take the time to familiarize yourself with Yogi Bhajan's teaching, with Father Yod's teaching, and watch the Source Family documentary, I think the conclusion is inescapable.
I Googled this later and found that some others had made the same connections based on some random posts here and there, but in my case I literally stumbled across this without even looking for it.
It's really all over the place. Look at the hair covering in the documentary and in the book. You can trace a line right to Father Yod and western Sikhism. Even the description of the living spaces and relationships matches what was happening in the Source Family's group. The relationships and sexuality part was to me, the most negative of the teachings. Too much orgasm suppression and control, and relationships with a fluidity that I feel lead to great conflict. Ironically enough Yogi Bhajan's major criticism of Father Yod was that he was "too stuck in his Root Chakra". These sexual ideas undoubtedly influenced Jon Peniel/Zoroaster and made their way into the Teachings.
Just the fact that there was deception about the origins upset me greatly. The reason is that I thought that many of the teachings in the Children of the Law of One book, Thoth, etc, were extremely congruent with my understanding of Truth. I also felt the exercises were, for the most part, helpful and useful. What I don't understand is why on earth Jon Peniel/Zoroaster or whomever he really is would make this stuff up? Why wrap such truth up into a fictional package involving a Tibetan monestary? Eventually the connections with Father Yod would come out and the teachings spoke for themselves, so why the deception?
I would also like to know where the Atlantis information came from, as this was not covered extensively in either Yogi Bhajan or Father Yod's teachings. The author must have sourced this from elsewhere. There is a short ebook novel he produced on Atlantis that is pretty entertaining, but it doesn't give any clues either. Since the fight between the Sons of Belial and the Sons of the Law of One is so central to these teachings and ties back into Atlantis, I'd really like to find out where it actually came from.
For me, that the author basically lied about the Tibetan monestary makes the origin of his other teachings suspect to me. I'm not interested in judging his motivations, really, but I would like to explore the source material in more depth.
One of the things I like about L/L is how forthcoming they have been about their background, their mistakes, and their warts. Honesty in transmitting spiritual information is of the utmost importance to me. So I am genuinely perplexed by this book so full of wisdom and yet mixed with what appear to be falsehoods.
So, Shin'Ar, these are my questions to you.
1) Were you aware of the connections with the Source Family and the subsequent allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book? If so, do you have any comments?
2) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis teaching, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the original source.
3) Do you have anything you feel moved to share with me that might enlighten me on these topics further? I humbly admit that I certainly do not know everything and am quite likely missing data. I could absolutely be wrong about any or all of this, but I do trust my heart and my logical capacity.
Thanks very much for sharing with us, brother. I am sorry to bombard you with questions, but please know my intent is only greater clarity and understanding amongst us all.
Even though you come from a different perspective, you are welcome here and I feel you have much useful information to share with us. I also feel you have much to learn from our understanding of the Ra material and our perspectives as well.
Namaste, Shin'Ar
Love to all
I believe the Law of One that Shin'Ar is talking about is based on this:
http://www.atlantis.to/
...which though not clearly labeled is a group started by a former member/student of this group:
http://www.yahowha.org/
Which in turn had been founded by a former member/student of this group:
http://www.yogibhajan.com/
Thus the teachings are heavily influenced by those two groups + an source unknown to me involving Atlantean material.
Whereas the Law of One forum that we are in is based on this:
http://www.lawofone.info
http://llresearch.org/library.aspx
which was a communication with a 6D social memory complex named Ra by a small group of seekers in the US in the eighties.
--------
Shin'Ar,
I would like to add something to this discussion, please, in the spirit of information exchange. I tend to get a little wordy when I write posts, so I apologize in advance for the length. I would like to describe this information to you in an organic fashion and explain it as I experienced it. I'd like to show you how I arrived at this information so that it is clear that I am not trying to attack your beliefs or teachings, nor am I trying to push an agenda. But I really feel compelled to help clarify this situation, and hopefully share something with you and others that will be of value. Maybe you can help me better understand and make sense of all this as well.
------
I have been a spiritual seeker for most of my life, and as such am always open to new information and am interested in a wide range of teachings. I am slow to adopt a new spiritual practice or teaching, but I am quickly interested and try to give all things a fair hearing. I am always learning. Of course, never have I found anything as spiritually useful to me as the Law of One as given by Ra, but I have been edified and helped by many other sources of information and my personal spiritual practice is an amalgam of many different teachings. I tell you this so you may better understand what is to follow.
A couple of years back, I became intensely interested in Sikhism. After studying Guru Nanak's teachings for some time, I soon learned that the religion had greatly changed from his founding. The Indian, or traditional, branch had been modified considerably thanks to a succession of later gurus, especially the 10th & final human guru, Gobind Singh. But more relevant to this post, a branch of "Western Sikhism" that was more Hindu and mystical in nature was started this century by a person called Yogi Bhajan. You can tell members of this sect by their all-white Sikh clothing and that women wear turbans as well as men.
Though I was then and still am now deeply moved by Nanak's original teachings, I found that I simply did not resonate with what the religion had evolved into in the east. So, I had a fair look at what Yogi Bhajan had to teach in the West to see if it was closer to Nanaks' original, or if it was edifying in its own right. Though I hesitate to use a pejorative term, my subjective impression after studying it for some time was that he had formed basically a mild cult based on Hinduism mixed with new age practices, all wrapped into a Sikh outer layer. At that point, I stopped studying modern Sikhism, both eastern and western. I took what I found useful from Nanak's original teachings, paid my respects and gave my thanks, and then stopped that line of inquiry.
In the midst of this, I ran across a reference to one of Yogi Bhajan's students, James Edward Baker. He evidently started his own spiritual group in the 60's, re-named himself "Father Yod" and called his group "The Source Family". They opened a vegetarian restaurant in LA which grew into a hugely popular place that celebrities liked to visit. This group was absolutely funky and unique, in a mostly good way. They wore amazing costumes and made good rock music. One could say there were cultish aspects for sure, namely around sexual interactions, but overall they seem positive and loving to me. They are still around and you can find out more about their teachings from here:
http://www.yahowha.org/
Well, I wasn't really interested in deeply studying their teachings, but they were so original and unique, I wanted to know more. So I ordered a book they had produced called "The Source, the untold story of Father Yod, Ya Ho Wa 13, and the Source Family".
http://www.amazon.com/Source-Untold-Stor...976082292/
..and I also rented a documentary that had been made about The Source Family
https://signup.netflix.com/movie/Re-Visi...y/70112892
I watched the documentary and read the book. I appreciated the echos of Sikhism in it, but mostly just found it entertaining. I forgot all about it for a few months....
This brings me to the Children of the Law of One. When I became aware of the "Children of the Law of One" group, I was intrigued by their teachings as given on their website. So, I ordered a copy of what seemed to be the Teachings compiled into one place, in a book called "The Children of The Law of One & the Lost Teachings of Atlantis".
http://www.atlantis.to/
I read the whole thing. I resonated GREATLY with some of it, though there were parts of it that I did not. However in it, the author, Jon Penial [which seems to be an anagram of Pineal], recounts his story. He talks about moving to a secret and special monestary in Tibet and receiving spiritual training. The Atlantean history of the Children of the Law of One are given as well as a whole host of spiritual practices and topics. He claims that his spiritual order is an ancient one and that he learned all of this from his time in Tibet in that special monastery.
Though I do sense distortion in this book, it is still worthwhile to read. There is much truth and wisdom. However, you know what struck me about it the most? There was a familiarity about the teachings and the description of the monestary that I couldn't quite place my finger on. I had seen alot of this stuff before, but I couldn't quite remember. I put the book aside after I was finished, and ordered a DVD with some of their exercises, because I was still intrigued.
Then one day as I was moving some of my books around I came across that Source Family book. In flipping through it, I happened upon page #268. I quote it here:
"ZOROASTER - took part in the music energy. We are confident that he wrote a novel using Father and Family history called "The Children of the Law of One, the Lost Teachings of Atlantis."
They are basically stating that a former guitarist for their group and Family member wrote the book for what founded the version of "The Law of One" that you seem to be espousing here.
BAM! Then I realized, that was it. Taking a quick glance at the yahowha.org website showed many of the same spiritual topics that were in the CoLo1 book. I watched the documentary again and you could see that Jon Peniel was allegorically describing his own time with Father Yod & The Source Family as a Tibetan monastery. Even the living space / hive pods that he describes in the book were talked about in the documentary. I received the book from a Hawaiian address, which is where the Source Family ended up. The parallels were really undeniable. If you take the time to familiarize yourself with Yogi Bhajan's teaching, with Father Yod's teaching, and watch the Source Family documentary, I think the conclusion is inescapable.
I Googled this later and found that some others had made the same connections based on some random posts here and there, but in my case I literally stumbled across this without even looking for it.
It's really all over the place. Look at the hair covering in the documentary and in the book. You can trace a line right to Father Yod and western Sikhism. Even the description of the living spaces and relationships matches what was happening in the Source Family's group. The relationships and sexuality part was to me, the most negative of the teachings. Too much orgasm suppression and control, and relationships with a fluidity that I feel lead to great conflict. Ironically enough Yogi Bhajan's major criticism of Father Yod was that he was "too stuck in his Root Chakra". These sexual ideas undoubtedly influenced Jon Peniel/Zoroaster and made their way into the Teachings.
Just the fact that there was deception about the origins upset me greatly. The reason is that I thought that many of the teachings in the Children of the Law of One book, Thoth, etc, were extremely congruent with my understanding of Truth. I also felt the exercises were, for the most part, helpful and useful. What I don't understand is why on earth Jon Peniel/Zoroaster or whomever he really is would make this stuff up? Why wrap such truth up into a fictional package involving a Tibetan monestary? Eventually the connections with Father Yod would come out and the teachings spoke for themselves, so why the deception?
I would also like to know where the Atlantis information came from, as this was not covered extensively in either Yogi Bhajan or Father Yod's teachings. The author must have sourced this from elsewhere. There is a short ebook novel he produced on Atlantis that is pretty entertaining, but it doesn't give any clues either. Since the fight between the Sons of Belial and the Sons of the Law of One is so central to these teachings and ties back into Atlantis, I'd really like to find out where it actually came from.
For me, that the author basically lied about the Tibetan monestary makes the origin of his other teachings suspect to me. I'm not interested in judging his motivations, really, but I would like to explore the source material in more depth.
One of the things I like about L/L is how forthcoming they have been about their background, their mistakes, and their warts. Honesty in transmitting spiritual information is of the utmost importance to me. So I am genuinely perplexed by this book so full of wisdom and yet mixed with what appear to be falsehoods.
So, Shin'Ar, these are my questions to you.
1) Were you aware of the connections with the Source Family and the subsequent allegory of the Tibetan Monestary / Father Yod's family house in the Children of the Law of One book? If so, do you have any comments?
2) Do you know where the origin of the Atlantis teaching, upon which the concepts of the conflict between the two groups and the Humanimals originated? Because it wasn't from the "monastery" in Tibet and I'd like to learn more about this from the original source.
3) Do you have anything you feel moved to share with me that might enlighten me on these topics further? I humbly admit that I certainly do not know everything and am quite likely missing data. I could absolutely be wrong about any or all of this, but I do trust my heart and my logical capacity.
Thanks very much for sharing with us, brother. I am sorry to bombard you with questions, but please know my intent is only greater clarity and understanding amongst us all.
Even though you come from a different perspective, you are welcome here and I feel you have much useful information to share with us. I also feel you have much to learn from our understanding of the Ra material and our perspectives as well.
Namaste, Shin'Ar
Love to all
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