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    Thread: Help with staying in the present


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    02-21-2012, 10:38 AM (This post was last modified: 02-21-2012, 10:40 AM by Steppingfeet.)
    (02-20-2012, 02:57 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: In other words, Icaro's statement regarding enlightenment is valid in and of itself. Not only valid, but according to my understanding of what the experience of enlightenment is in the third density, accurate.


    (02-20-2012, 10:25 PM)zenmaster Wrote: "Enlightenment" is a developmental thing. There is no such thing as a 3D entity so enlightened as to avoid judgement, even if awareness suggests that to not judge means to be "enlightened" or even if the periphery of awareness is conducive to "oneness". That's the point I was trying to make. Don't fool yourself.

    I don't think absence of judgment (of the negative variety) necessarily implies the presence of enlightenment. One could potentially fast away judgment in disciplined prayer over the years and still not be consciously enlightened.

    But on the point of whether the enlightened entity continues to grow (i.e., "develop") and in the process release judgment and the eye of separation, I disagree with you. To the entity that has established permanent contact with intelligent infinity, and has dismantled the veil of forgetting/separation (one possible "definition", as it were, of enlightenment), to that entity there is no judgment, and no separation.

    There may still be emotions and experiences of the outer personality self remaining within the enlightened entity, (and perhaps there is where the development you speak of comes into play), but the awareness and identity of the enlightened one has transcended this play of outer phenomena, and is affected by remnants of the personality shell it to the extent that the sun is affected by weather patterns on Earth.

    This position I don't find a result of wishful thinking. Rather it derives from information absorbed about and from enlightened entities, and the course of my own study. So I will have to agree to disagree on this point.

    Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi
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    Help with staying in the present - by diop - 02-14-2012, 03:22 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Meerie - 02-14-2012, 04:08 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Lavazza - 02-14-2012, 11:48 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Dinko - 02-14-2012, 11:56 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Diana - 02-14-2012, 12:26 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-14-2012, 05:21 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by diop - 02-15-2012, 03:10 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-15-2012, 05:02 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by diop - 02-17-2012, 05:02 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Aaron - 02-18-2012, 01:38 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ashim - 02-18-2012, 02:25 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-18-2012, 04:23 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Aaron - 02-18-2012, 10:17 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-18-2012, 12:05 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Aaron - 02-19-2012, 06:46 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-19-2012, 07:13 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by native - 02-19-2012, 09:17 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by zenmaster - 02-19-2012, 09:52 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Steppingfeet - 02-20-2012, 02:57 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by zenmaster - 02-20-2012, 10:25 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Steppingfeet - 02-21-2012, 10:38 AM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-20-2012, 12:00 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by native - 02-19-2012, 11:08 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by native - 02-20-2012, 07:42 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Ankh - 02-20-2012, 08:21 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by native - 02-20-2012, 09:00 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by zenmaster - 02-21-2012, 10:05 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by Steppingfeet - 02-22-2012, 12:28 PM
    RE: Help with staying in the present - by zenmaster - 02-22-2012, 10:06 PM

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