01-26-2012, 08:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-26-2012, 08:07 PM by Steppingfeet.)
Great thread. Ankh, thanks for quoting some of the Ra passages that pertain to faith. I’ll reinsert because I want to riff off of them.
As I intellectually grasp the concept of faith, it goes like this.
As long as we perceive ourselves as separate, distinct, independent, closed-system entities; as long as we perceive we are in a certain time and in a certain place; as long as we perceive other faces and other places and other things and other processes as being separate from us; then faith is our connection to the real, to the infinite. Faith is that which informs are thinking minds and our awareness of what is really happening, of what the true, unified nature of this infinite narrative is.
Of course the real is our nature. Infinity is who we are. But to the extent that we conceptualize an identity that is distinct from and independent of the infinite, there is a sort of otherness to the Source, to that which lies beyond the boundaries of that which is known. It is an other realm, an other field, something greater than our everyday experience. Or so we perceive.
So in positive terms I would describe faith as that which connects or links the illusory entity to the undistorted original and only unity. It is an awareness of the infinite that, as Ra says, moves into the illusory entity through the violet ray chakra.
In negative terms I would describe faith as that which negates the seeming solidity, the limitations, the bindings, and the rules of the outer world of ever-shifting form.
When a healer like Jesus tells a recipient of healing that she has been healed by her own faith, Jesus is saying, basically, that is by your remembrance, by your awareness of who and what you really are that you have been healed.
You have become aware, deep down within, of your true nature. You have become aware that this outer world is a play of passing forms - you are not these forms, and your are not bound by these forms. Nor do these forms contain the meaning you imbue them with - there is not "disharmony", there is not "imperfection", there is not "fragmentation", there is not "incompleteness".
Faith is that which links the mind/body/spirit complex to its deepest identity, an identity which completely transcends the boundaries of the physical illusion and thus, in the illusory hierarchy of things, is supraordinate to the illusion; and thus, when invoked, can make changes to the illusion.
Likewise with faith, with that connection to the real, the entity can move the mountain. The entity living in faith knows on the level of experience that the mountain is a temporary, passing, finite, limited, illusory form which springs from the formless, the seeming emptiness, the unborn, unmanifested, infinite unity.
In that sense faith is *outside* of the illusion, though ultimately all things being not-two, there is no outside; there is no category of unity that is apart from non-unity.
But from the perception of the illusion-bound entity, illusion may be manipulated from its source - that from which the illusion sprang - including modifying the configuration of the mind/body/spirit complex itself. There are no limitations in true faith.
To put it another way, faith is that which pierces the veil, and if consistently practiced through the use of will by the seemingly separate entity, is that which eventually renders the veil for what it is, an illusion to be discarded and dismantled.
From this side of the veil, it seems we are separate from the realm of the infinite and need to invoke, call upon, and practice faith. From the perspective of faith, there is no veil, at least in the sense that there is no true partition between two things, because there can be no true partition in a creation of unity.
All is one, and the awareness that connects to unity manifests an attitude within the illusion that says, “all is well”, because the entity of faith has stopped identifying itself with outer forms and mental patterns.
If the world descends into chaos and blows itself up in an orgy of destruction, the entity of faith, not identified with the world, knows that its true identity remains unaffected. The entity of faith operates outside of time and space within its awareness, and has activated the keys to unknowing.
And the faculty of will, the other side of the coin, must actively call upon and practice and abide in faith. Will and faith share a relationship of reciprocity, I think -- one strengthening and enabling the other the more each is accessed and utilized and experienced.
That’s my thoughts.
: ) GLB
I especially liked the following two thoughts:
Quote:session 42:11 Wrote:The entire activity can only occur when there exists faith that an outcome of this discipline is possible.
session 41:21 Wrote:...through concentration of the will and the faculty of faith alone cause reprogramming without the analogy of the fasting, the diet, or other analogous body complex disciplines.
session 73:13 Wrote:...that the entity healed had been healed by its faith, that is, its ability to allow and accept changes through the violet-ray into the gateway of intelligent energy...
As I intellectually grasp the concept of faith, it goes like this.
As long as we perceive ourselves as separate, distinct, independent, closed-system entities; as long as we perceive we are in a certain time and in a certain place; as long as we perceive other faces and other places and other things and other processes as being separate from us; then faith is our connection to the real, to the infinite. Faith is that which informs are thinking minds and our awareness of what is really happening, of what the true, unified nature of this infinite narrative is.
Of course the real is our nature. Infinity is who we are. But to the extent that we conceptualize an identity that is distinct from and independent of the infinite, there is a sort of otherness to the Source, to that which lies beyond the boundaries of that which is known. It is an other realm, an other field, something greater than our everyday experience. Or so we perceive.
So in positive terms I would describe faith as that which connects or links the illusory entity to the undistorted original and only unity. It is an awareness of the infinite that, as Ra says, moves into the illusory entity through the violet ray chakra.
In negative terms I would describe faith as that which negates the seeming solidity, the limitations, the bindings, and the rules of the outer world of ever-shifting form.
When a healer like Jesus tells a recipient of healing that she has been healed by her own faith, Jesus is saying, basically, that is by your remembrance, by your awareness of who and what you really are that you have been healed.
You have become aware, deep down within, of your true nature. You have become aware that this outer world is a play of passing forms - you are not these forms, and your are not bound by these forms. Nor do these forms contain the meaning you imbue them with - there is not "disharmony", there is not "imperfection", there is not "fragmentation", there is not "incompleteness".
Quote:Session 4:20 Ra: “Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect. Thus, the intelligent infinity within this mind/body/spirit complex re-forms the illusion of body, mind, or spirit to a form congruent with the Law of One.”
Faith is that which links the mind/body/spirit complex to its deepest identity, an identity which completely transcends the boundaries of the physical illusion and thus, in the illusory hierarchy of things, is supraordinate to the illusion; and thus, when invoked, can make changes to the illusion.
Likewise with faith, with that connection to the real, the entity can move the mountain. The entity living in faith knows on the level of experience that the mountain is a temporary, passing, finite, limited, illusory form which springs from the formless, the seeming emptiness, the unborn, unmanifested, infinite unity.
In that sense faith is *outside* of the illusion, though ultimately all things being not-two, there is no outside; there is no category of unity that is apart from non-unity.
But from the perception of the illusion-bound entity, illusion may be manipulated from its source - that from which the illusion sprang - including modifying the configuration of the mind/body/spirit complex itself. There are no limitations in true faith.
To put it another way, faith is that which pierces the veil, and if consistently practiced through the use of will by the seemingly separate entity, is that which eventually renders the veil for what it is, an illusion to be discarded and dismantled.
From this side of the veil, it seems we are separate from the realm of the infinite and need to invoke, call upon, and practice faith. From the perspective of faith, there is no veil, at least in the sense that there is no true partition between two things, because there can be no true partition in a creation of unity.
All is one, and the awareness that connects to unity manifests an attitude within the illusion that says, “all is well”, because the entity of faith has stopped identifying itself with outer forms and mental patterns.
If the world descends into chaos and blows itself up in an orgy of destruction, the entity of faith, not identified with the world, knows that its true identity remains unaffected. The entity of faith operates outside of time and space within its awareness, and has activated the keys to unknowing.
And the faculty of will, the other side of the coin, must actively call upon and practice and abide in faith. Will and faith share a relationship of reciprocity, I think -- one strengthening and enabling the other the more each is accessed and utilized and experienced.
That’s my thoughts.
: ) GLB
I especially liked the following two thoughts:
Quote:Diana: I see hope as attachment also. Hope, worry, are both attached to a projected future. To be fully present is to access the field of infinite potential. Once one is present and accessing the field of infinite potential, all is possible; and then the use of will or desire can direct it.
Quote:Godwide Void: To demonstrate faith while being subjected to a cloak where the focus of your faith will never be conveyed to you as being true, with no tangible, absolute proof ever becoming manifest in your life, yet your faith in certain matters remains unwavering, this leads to the assurance that the choice you've made amidst every circumstance and experience to be genuine, empowering it and pretty much showing to our Creator "Hey, you see this? I will never know you are real, and everything I've seen and experienced in this world says otherwise, but y'know what? I believe, and I know you are real, and I wish to once more be in your embrace, and serve you, and act, think, and speak from a place where I acknowledge you as being within everything, even if nobody can see you in everything."
That makes this 3rd Density special, in that we can develop perception of the divine in say, a tree or a breeze; people would not think twice about passing a tree or that breeze that coincides with your thoughts, but those who stand rooted in faith will perceive differently, and instead of seeing just "tree" or feeling "wind" will see and feel "God". To choose and believe in the Creator, when it is nowhere to be found, is the sign that you are sincere in your seeking and your love for the light.
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi