01-10-2012, 01:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2012, 01:31 PM by SomaticDreams.)
(01-10-2012, 12:26 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Thanks for your input, Somatic. You went into several facets that were less apparent to me, and I thank you for that!
Your discussion also spurs me on to think about 4D birth. Our 3D birth is mired in confusion; a human child is more dependant on its mother and helpless for longer than nearly any animal (2D entity) goes through. There is a quote from Ra where they say that birth on the 4D sphere will be similar, "but of a less confused nature" (i gotta dig up the actual quote - sorry).
I only bring this up in relation to the transition from 3D to 4D for those with transitional bodies. If 4D birth is more of a choice than anything else and the veil is not required, would birth be a risky, uncomfortable process? Isn't part of the challenges of 3D birth things of confusion - survival of the mother and child, financial burdens, health issues, etc? If we are birthed into the 4D world where confusion has left, what does that mean in experiential terms?
Taking into consideration the harmonious nature of 4D, what catalyst will be left in 4D?
In response to the birth question, I understand from the material that physical pain will not be utilized as catalyst, only minimally at the end of our 4D incarnations.
Quote:43.9 Questioner: In the next density, the fourth density, is the catalyst of physical pain used as a mechanism for experiential balancing?
Ra: I am Ra. The use of physical pain is minimal, having only to do with the end of the fourth-density incarnation. This physical pain would not be considered severe enough to treat, shall we say, in third density. The catalysts of mental and spiritual pain are used in fourth density.
43.10 Questioner: Why is physical pain a part of the end of fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. You would call this variety of pain weariness.
So to set the stage, so to speak- there is no physical pain. We live in a community of harmonious, yet individuated entites that are composed of a different chemical nature ('more full of life').
What does Ra say on the nature of catalyst in 4D? What will it focus on?
Quote:48.5 Questioner: Thank you. That clears up that point very well. Can you tell me how positive and negative polarizations in fourth and fifth density are used to cause working in consciousness?
Ra: I am Ra. There is very little work in consciousness in fourth and in fifth densities compared to the work done in third density. The work that is accomplished in positive fourth is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having, through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. Thus their service is their work and through this dynamic between the societal self and the other-self, which is the object of love, greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. This intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. This is fourth-density harvest.
Within fourth-density positive there are minor amounts of catalyst of a spiritual and mental complex distortion. This occurs during the process of harmonizing to the extent of forming the social memory complex. This causes some small catalyst and work to occur, but the great work of fourth density lies in the contact betwixt the societal self and less polarized other-self.
In fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. There are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. During the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. The work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized otherself in order to aid in negative polarization.
In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.
In positive, the fifth-density complex uses sixth-density teach/learners to study the more illuminated understandings of unity thus becoming more and more wise. Fifth-density positive social memory complexes will choose to divide their service to others in two ways: first, the beaming of light to creation; second, the sending of groups to be of aid as instruments of light such as those whom you are familiar with through channels.
In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.
So, as much as the individualist philosophies like to talk about the status of the individual as being sacred, the basis of 4D will radically be about the societal self, working for the greater good, while balancing it with the individual self. This working will be easier as those in 4D will "automatically harmonize" group differences. In 3D there is a great struggle that ensues as it plays out in 3D conditions.
How do we radiate 4D values then in 3D? By developing ourselves first, spiritually. The compassion that grows out of the realization of oneness, is that of the fully opened yellow ray. Only caring for other-selves, as this is the spring board to green (unconditional love), into an STO harvest.