12-23-2011, 03:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-23-2011, 03:10 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
(12-20-2011, 03:17 AM)Icaro Wrote: Tenet - Good post. I agree with your comments. I'd like to make a distinction that when I refer to being careful about conspiracy, I'm referring to how deep one goes..as in how much one frets over the details. The general population certainly needs to acknowledge various aspects of manipulation going, and I also agree that many are quick to judge others for thinking outside the box. My main concern involves those who choose to delve deeper into conspiracy, and how they become totally enveloped with all the speculative details.
I totally agree. This is why I tend to put "conspiracy theories" in quotes like that. It is a reference to how these topics are viewed by others. There's always that joker with the scowling face and derisive tone... "OH, you are into 'conspiracy theories' *scoff*"
What does that even mean, anymore? People just think they can throw a label of "conspiracy theory" at anything they don't want to talk about, as if labeling it "conspiracy theory" means the whole thing can be dismissed out of hand.
Of course... take any "conspiracy theory" and there is some whacko nutjob out there taking it to the extreme. Well I say... who elected THEM representative? I see this all the time in my field. People take the most EXTREME nutjobs as an example, and then conclude there is no value in what any of us do, whatsoever. It is just preposterous.
But anyway, back to the totally agreeing part. Yes... it can be very unhealthy to dwell so much on the negative. I actually had a close friend who was a true conspiracy buff die of colon cancer a few years back. I am convinced it had something to do with all the pent up negativity.
While we had many long and interesting conversations on various "conspiracy theories", he absolutely refused to consider any kind of positive spin. Everything was the worst case scenario, and there was no convincing him otherwise.
(12-20-2011, 09:21 AM)Oldern Wrote: My take on all of this is simple: some of the conspiracy theories rely on this kind of rhetorics: you are suffering because of THEM, so go out and take your revenge on THEM.
Wrong.
Exactly. As it is equally wrong to dismiss the whole thing out of hand because a few loudmouths are spreading rhetoric. Seriously, this is hardly limited to "conspiracy theories". What this actually is called in debate is a "strawman argument". How it works is, you mischaracterize your opponent's views as the most EXTREME and ABSURD version of what they are saying, and then knock the "strawman" down with your arguments against the false position.
One need only watch Fox News for about an hour to see this in action.
Quote:You are suffering because you are caught up in the frequency of suffering, and directing your hate to a new place will not stop your suffering. Turning that hate into simple love, however, WILL increase your frequency to the level where you wont be in a state of suffering anymore.
Awareness need not lead to suffering and hatred. But yes, there is often fear to deal with when one becomes aware of these things. In and of itself, fear is harmless. It is only when we feel like we need to act out of a false sense of urgency that the fear becomes a problem.
Quote:As simple as that, for me. I do not care what the Illuminati did or still does. Why should I? I am happy to be still here, to be able to love, to be able to meditate, and to be able to communicate with others in this forum
Gratitude is always a good choice.

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